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Varig MD11 Incident At BSB  
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16573 times:

Just saw on the major national television news that a VARIG MD11 had a serious accident while landing at BSB today. The images shown were incredible.
Central landing gear of the MD11 simply collapsed, opened a big hole on the fuselage, split small parts throughout wings and many other parts and opened a hole on the runway.
This is being investigated by ANAC.

Does anybody have more information about this?

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16564 times:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/3976134.html

"RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil — The landing gear on a Varig airlines jet broke as it touched down Friday in the capital of Brasilia, the airline said in a statement.

None of the 108 passengers was injured, and the plane landed safely, Varig said.

The MD-11 jet was headed from Rio to the Amazon jungle city of Manaus, with a stopover in Brasilia. The 45 passengers bound for Manaus were transferred to other airlines, the company said."



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16540 times:

I thought that Varig was going out the window. Glad to hear everyone was alright, but it could be one less MD-11 for us to all enjoy flying about!!Doh!!!


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User currently offlineJrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16482 times:

Does anyone knows if it was lack of maintenance or a hard landing?

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16464 times:

And the dark cloud is all over the airline!!!

Yes, was it a HL or BAD mx???

This is really something serious considering the low cash and probably the limited mx procedures and resources its staff is up to in these days!!!

ghooost77 APM



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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16359 times:

Only 108 people on the jet? Damn. Those are some really low load factors.

User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16330 times:

Considering it was the middle central landing gear, difficult to believe it was a hard landing as this is the last landing gear to touch the runway. The central landing gear a little bit more retracted that those mounted on the wings and it is there just to hep support of the hole weight of the aircraft, like the one mounted on the A340.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16304 times:

So I presume there was no more damage done to the airframe? I don't think in any case, a centre strut like those on MD-11s and A342/3s should cause lots of damage if broken, but I'm still curious as to any further damage to the frame.

User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16275 times:

Hmm... At least the creditors will have a difficult time repossessing that a/c.  Wink


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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16192 times:

The incident occurred on RWY 11R and BSB stayed closed for more than one hour because 11L was being repaired.
Most of the flights that were going to BSB made a stopover in GYN.
If BSB had more than one airport, passengers would had been less perturbed  scratchchin 


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16072 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 6):
Considering it was the middle central landing gear, difficult to believe it was a hard landing as this is the last landing gear to touch the runway. The central landing gear a little bit more retracted that those mounted on the wings and it is there just to hep support of the hole weight of the aircraft, like the one mounted on the A340.

I'm no engineer, but I would have though that the central gear would be the first to give in a hard landing. Just think about, the full inertia of the, what, 200 ton fuselage right above it, probably striking the runway at over 1,000fpm for it to fail. Also, it's got half the wheels of the other MLG bogies, and presumably less oleo travel too. In addition to this, the outer bogies don't "tilt" the way they do on the A340--I understand that this "softens" the impact. Considering the average speed and sink rate of an MD-11 on landing, I'm surprised that for the most part the gear takes it so well.

This would leave eight MD-11s in their active fleet--at this rate they will soon have fewer widebodies than AR, and that is worrying!

Best regards,

ZXV



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16005 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
So I presume there was no more damage done to the airframe? I don't think in any case, a centre strut like those on MD-11s and A342/3s should cause lots of damage if broken, but I'm still curious as to any further damage to the frame.

As per images shown on tv, there was a big hole under the fuselage plus many other damage caused by the split of small parts. It was really a bad thing!


User currently offlineDC10Forever From Brazil, joined Oct 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15989 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Thread starter):
VARIG MD11 had a serious accident

Well, I believe it was just an inccident and not an accident. I've just seen the pictures of the aircraft on tv and the landing gear made four big hole in its belly. One more wide body grounded for some weeks. Bad news to Varig.

Another news that just come over is that Varig has fuel to operate flights only until next Monday. It seems that Sunday will be the last day ...



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User currently offlineWoosie From United States of America, joined May 2006, 115 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15953 times:

Please remember the center landing gear is in it's own wheelwell, so the "hole" you refer to is probably the center main landing gear doors departing the airplane. The pressure shell opening (where pax are) is feet above that lower loft line.

This is not to say the event isn't significant - I don't know if it is or isn't.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15697 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 5):
Only 108 people on the jet? Damn. Those are some really low load factors.



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
The MD-11 jet was headed from Rio to the Amazon jungle city of Manaus, with a stopover in Brasilia

I did the same in April on a 777 and there were not even close to 108 pax on board!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15543 times:

Quoting DC10Forever (Reply 12):
Well, I believe it was just an inccident and not an accident.

How would you define that.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13987 times:

Jeez, to say they are having a hard time of it lately would be an understatement.

Finfers crossed RG keeps flying  crossfingers 


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13445 times:

Quoting Woosie (Reply 13):
Please remember the center landing gear is in it's own wheelwell, so the "hole" you refer to is probably the center main landing gear doors departing the airplane. The pressure shell opening (where pax are) is feet above that lower loft line.

I've just watched a short Brazilian news video (from globo.com), they reported the lower part of the landing gear - i.e. the bogey and part of the strut - had separated and bounced off the runway against the belly of the MD-11, causing the holes.

They also interviewed a passenger who, if I got her right, said she hadn't noticed anything, not even a noise.



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User currently offlineJunior747 From Malta, joined Apr 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 11010 times:

Well this definitely isn't the best of times for Varig!

After this incident I don't think RG have much hope at all of staying in the air long...

Regards,

Junior



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10853 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
Well, I believe it was just an inccident and not an accident.

How would you define that.
regds
MEL

An accident would be with fatalities, injuries and/or a destroyed airframe. Therefore a thread title like "Varig MD-11 accident" looks very scary and I'd also have thought "Varig MD-11 incident" is more appropriate.

By the way MEL you post a lot of questions and I see you never use a question mark ("?"). That might give your post a bit a rude and shouty impression, like that you demand an answer. Just wanting to point this out if you wonder why sometimes noone bothers to answer this might be the reason.



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User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10688 times:

Pics anybody? I couldnt even find an article on Google news.

MGA



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User currently offlineDC10Forever From Brazil, joined Oct 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

Quoting MEA-707" class=quote target=_blank>MEA-707 (Reply 19):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
Well, I believe it was just an inccident and not an accident.

How would you define that.
regds
MEL

An accident would be with fatalities, injuries and/or a destroyed airframe. Therefore a thread title like "Varig MD-11 accident" looks very scary and I'd also have thought "Varig MD-11 incident" is more appropriate.

By the way MEL you post a lot of questions and I see you never use a question mark ("?"). That might give your post a bit a rude and shouty impression, like that you demand an answer. Just wanting to point this out if you wonder why sometimes noone bothers to answer this might be the reason.

Perfect MEA-707. Thanks for your quick explanation. There is a big difference between and aeronautical accident and incident, as set forth by the ICAO regulations. What happened to RG's MD-11 at BSB was only an incident, just like when an aircraft overruns a runway without serious damages or injuries to the aircraft or its passengers.

Regards,

Renato



Better one flying than two grounded
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

Aircraft involved was PP-VQG, curiously enough the only MD-11 in RG's fleet not earmarked for freighter conversion.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

I was under the impression that a MD-11 could land without the central gear no problem.(?) The slightly smaller Tristars do it.

User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7535 times:

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 23):
I was under the impression that a MD-11 could land without the central gear no problem.(?) The slightly smaller Tristars do it.

You're right, but this can happen only with a lower Maximum Landing Weight. I saw a few DC-10-30s landing and taking off with the center wheel retracted.


25 Post contains links JJMNGR : Here is a link where images could be seeing: http://gmc.globo.com/GMC/0,,2465-p-M483699,00.html
26 AwysBSB : A fact I know about maintenance is that most of the pieces of an aircraft are often being redesigned and their handbooks reviewed. As MD-11s are no mo
27 Post contains images MD90fan : I was about to is it me or is 108 passengers on an MD-11 not alot!!
28 PPVRA : About the loads- yes, they are indeed very low, but then don't forget MAO is very big on cargo. Not saying that the flight was profitable, chances are
29 CosmicCruiser : You're right; I just flew one a couple of weeks ago with the ctr. gr. retracted. Max t/o gross wgt was 445.0 It wasn't a big deal.
30 777WT : " target=_blank>http://gmc.globo.com/GMC/0,,2465-p-M....html Know what I think? It could be hyd system failure since in the images, they showed the RA
31 RICARIZA : Thank you for that link. Now I see that it was the auxiliary landing gear, now I understand why the a/c was able to land without problems. Did the pr
32 Post contains images EZEIZA : Glad that this ended up to be a mere incident and everyone is ok ... everyone except the airline. As if things were not ba enough for RG this incident
33 Post contains images HAWK21M : Cant do that till 31st Dec 2006 2359 hrs Long Story.Most are aware of.Its a Bet on Anet. Hopefully Folks dont find it Rude.If you meet me You'll know
34 Post contains links and images WSOY : Some other folks have done the same, and yet some other folks had their camera ready... View Large View MediumPhoto © Antti Salo
35 DreamsUnited : Poor Varig, they are really having it rough arent they? Can anyone get me a website with pictures of the accident? I cant find any.
36 Post contains images RomeoKC10FE : Guys! I can't believe everbody let this one slip by, Tri-Stars do not have a center gear!
37 Post contains links and images SvenvdM : View Large View MediumPhoto © Allan K. B. Ramos I guess the accident aircraft is shown in this photo?
38 DreamsUnited : Wait a minute... Thats it? Thats all? You guys made it sound like the damage was horrifying and the aircraft was ripped apart. Is that really it? well
39 SvenvdM : Disapointment at the fact that there's not more destruction?????????
40 DreamsUnited : Oh god no, you guys just made it sound alot worse, like that MD-11 was totaled, I was being sarcastic
41 Filejw : Guys . A little heads up for future reference. The difference between an accident and incident is determined by the amount of damage in $$$ terms.
42 WNCrew : DRAMA QUEEN! Please people, be realistic when posting!
43 Mpdesa : Drama is always the case whenever JJMNGR talks about Varig. His dislike of RG is starting to get boring and outdated. Just read any discussion about
44 JJMNGR : Come on! Don´t look only to this picture to conclude nothing more happened ok? Most of Brazilian newspapers and massive national television showed mu
45 CosmicCruiser : You don't really think that the MD-11 has any higher sink rate upon landing than any other big jet do you? Avg rate of descent on final about 700-800
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