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B747LCF - 787 Transporter Modification Line Pics!  
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13415 times:

found this online:



Can't wait to see it fly.

Cheers all!

[Edited 2006-06-17 19:27:12]


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13396 times:

Me too!

That'll be one ugly mutha!!!! But still cool to see, especially when they swing the tail open.



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13396 times:

Wow, thats a big tube. I know these will run from Seattle to Japan, but where else do they intend to run them?


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13378 times:
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Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 2):
I know these will run from Seattle to Japan, but where else do they intend to run them?

won't the Italian subassemblies need to be flown to the US and then from wherever it is in the southern US where the largest fuselage assembly is made from the Italian ones


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13012 times:
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As for the LCFs flying duties, here is a paragraph from the Boeing website.

The LCF fleet will ferry 787 wings and fuselage parts from partners in Wichita, Kan.; Charleston, S.C.; Grottaglie, Italy; and Nagoya, Japan, to Boeing's Everett factory for final assembly. A cargo loader will be based at each facility. The first loader, and a second to be completed this month, will be disassembled and delivered by ship to Nagoya and Grottaglie for reassembly.



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User currently offlineFinal47 From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12987 times:

holy cow! that's asome ! .... oh boeing you continue to surprise me ~ Smile

User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12753 times:

I wish Boeing would post more as that picture is from a while ago. It will be a something to see when that thing flies!

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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11343 times:

Can't wait to see this thing at NGO. We have a chance for A380F from Fedex, 7478F from All Nippon Cargo, but before those we will get this big mother picking up 787 parts.

What is the estimated date of completion for this first bird...pterodactyl.



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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10644 times:

Boeings worst nightmare is that these things stay grounded for one reason or another. They are betting the company on these three planes. What would be their backup plan to transport from NC to Seattle?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10551 times:
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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10453 times:

Does anybody know the dimensions of the cargo hold? I wonder if it can ferry A380 parts  duck 

A350



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10453 times:

Quoting A350 (Reply 10):
Does anybody know the dimensions of the cargo hold? I wonder if it can ferry A380 parts

Probably not, but it would probably work for the next iteration of the A350/A370....

[Edited 2006-06-18 17:41:34]


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9822 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 8):
Boeings worst nightmare is that these things stay grounded for one reason or another. They are betting the company on these three planes. What would be their backup plan to transport from NC to Seattle?

I doubt they would do this project without plans in place for when they only have 2 out of 3 available, etc. And with production increases planned, expect the family to grow to 5 jets.



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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):

I doubt they would do this project without plans in place for when they only have 2 out of 3 available, etc. And with production increases planned, expect the family to grow to 5 jets.

One loss of one plane is easily worked around, what about the grounding of the entire fleet for some unforseen problem?


User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9370 times:

What is the range of one of those suckers?

And how many Belugas does Airbus depend on?

These LCF seem to be quite an integral part of the global Boeing 787 network.. hope everything goes off without a hitch!


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9224 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 13):
One loss of one plane is easily worked around, what about the grounding of the entire fleet for some unforseen problem?



Quoting FlyingDoctorWu (Reply 14):

And how many Belugas does Airbus depend on?

A grounding of the entire fleet is a nightmare for both A and B, and I think it's a strong demotivation for Airbus to replace their Belugas anytime soon. BTW, how long did Airbus keep their Super Guppies after the Belugas came?

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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9204 times:

Looks great. It will have more capacity than a Beluga or AN124, right? And how does it compare to those in terms of max payload? Will Boeing charter it out on occasions?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9168 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 13):
One loss of one plane is easily worked around, what about the grounding of the entire fleet for some unforseen problem?

And the likelihood of that is so remote, it's like saying "what happened if the factory burned down?"

You can't plan for catastrophe, and I don't have any understanding of WHY you think the whole fleet would be grounded for any length of time other than trying to find a negative in the project...



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9035 times:

I wonder if Fedex and UPS could make use of this aircraft?

User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8986 times:
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Quoting 9252fly (Reply 18):
I wonder if Fedex and UPS could make use of this aircraft?

nah, no customer could drop off a package that big! Smile
but maybe NASA or the Air Force could?


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8918 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 16):
It will have more capacity than a Beluga or AN124, right? And how does it compare to those in terms of max payload?

Could possibly have more volume than both the Beluga and AN124, will certainly have a payload/MTOW greater than the Beluga, but would have thought the AN124 has a higher payload/MTOW.

 Smile



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

I had asked a question on this forum as to why these monster transporters designed by A and B are not offered as commercial cargo aircraft.....answer was that they are not suitable for regular cargo ops....

In that case, why don't A and B just opt for surface transport or sea transport for their huge parts..? One obvious answer is the time factor, but won't that be offset by the considerable savings from avoiding building of these huge transporters?


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8476 times:

Well this is an old picture which was released by Boeing earlier this spring.

The first airplane should be (By Boeing's estimates) close to be ing finished by now and should be flying within the next 8 weeks (Boeig said this summer). Who knows and Boeing might decide to surprise everyone and have it fly past Farnbourogh next month if it's ready. That would be totally cool! Maybe even park it next to the A380.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8465 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
why don't A and B just opt for surface transport or sea transport for their huge parts

time.

and no, the cost is not offset. Look at how costly it is for Airbus to transport A380 sections via surface, constantly paying fees to close down roads, building special road transports for all the pieces, etc.

It's expensive to move the stuff no matter what. The 747LCF gives them more flexibility because it allows Boeing to choose suppliers from all over the globe as long as they have a 14000 airstrip nearby.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

The crossection of the B-747-400LCF is suppose to be wider and taller than the A-300-600F Bulga. So, maybe Boeing can ship some A-380 barrel sections for Airbus.

BTW, Boeing has been considering adding 2-3 additional airplanes to the LCF fleet, bring the total to 4-6 airplanes. Airbus maintanes a fleet of 7 A-300-600F Bulgas.


25 Mush : I would have thought that Airbus had less than that. One would think that the stage length of the Belugas is shorter than the LCF will be meaning the
26 2H4 : ...And in terms of AOG/mechanical downtime, Boeing can get parts and support from..........Boeing! Something tells me those issues will be handled ra
27 Litz : These parts, remember, are going to be large enough that any kind of land transport would be rather difficult. The 737 sections transported by rail al
28 RedFlyer : Ikramerica, that is a pretty long airstrip. Is that what is required for the LCF fully loaded? How many airports have 14000 feet of runway?
29 Texfly101 : The new dock and associated railroad spur that is being built in Everett as a part of the 787 governmental approval package is sized to handle large
30 Dw747400 : It is more likely you could fit a C-130 fuselage into a 787! As for the C-5, I believe that it would be close but not quite large enough. Either way,
31 SirOmega : The hold is not pressurized or temperature controlled, which means freight companies would avoid it.
32 NYC777 : Does anyone know when the first LCF isdue to be rolled out?
33 Texfly101 : Actually, the military is legally blocked from helping private companies with military assets. Using tax payers dollars to help private, for profit,
34 Dw747400 : I believe you are correct, which is why I left that intentionally vague. The military does occasionally use assets to support civilian activities (of
35 Post contains images Brendows : First flight will be in August IIRC, and I guess the middle of July is a good guess then
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