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User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6319 times:
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Hey guys check out this video

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...nes_-_PIA_Aviation_Video-6419.html

Fiaz

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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

That was absolutely amazing. Thank you for posting!

User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6166 times:

they seemed pretty well into their approach to be going around for a gear warning!

User currently offlineSoudave From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

out of interest what reg was that?

last week at LHR a PIA 747 did a last minute go around...

initiating go around
Big version: Width: 3008 Height: 2000 File size: 1380kb


coming for second attempt
Big version: Width: 3008 Height: 2000 File size: 1437kb


david


User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5782 times:
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Yes,,,I know it was an amazing video,,, But i question the landing they did the second time ,,,,if you look closely it seemed like he missed allot of the runway

Fiaz


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

I guess working at an airport and seeing go arounds sometimes weekly I don't get the excitment. In fact I don't even take the time to look anymore......

[Edited 2006-06-18 18:29:31]


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User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5640 times:

Quoting Soudave (Reply 3):
out of interest what reg was that?

Either BAT or BAK. The ones you showed on the photo are -300's and dont have a province tail  Wink

Aaron  sly 



Not been on here for a good 2/3 years!
User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5441 times:
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Yes,,,that was a 747-200Combi.........PK 716....i dont think thats a houston flight cause they send the 772 to Houston,,,,possibly a JFK flight

can anyone comfirm??


Fiaz


User currently offlineCascade07 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Great vid...however ATC were pretty keen to find out the reason for the go around...Would this type of questioning by ATC be normal or were they perhaps a bit peeved about the go around messing up their presumably busy patterns??? grumpy  It did seem a bit late to be calling a go around due to a gear warning...???

Cascade


User currently offlineJerry911 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

"Absolutely amazing"?? You guys need to get out more.

User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 4):
But i question the landing they did the second time ,,,,if you look closely it seemed like he missed allot of the runway

Looks to me like he had plenty of runway. He did land a bit long, but after a gear warning he probably wanted to set her down as gently as possible - which he did.

Very good landing, and it sounds like the crew did a good job handling the situation.

Drew



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User currently offlineRicharlc From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4657 times:
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Watch closely you'll see the nose gear door open at the last minute.

User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

Why are the elevators shaking just after touch-down?


rolf
User currently offlineTWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting Jerry911 (Reply 9):
"Absolutely amazing"?? You guys need to get out more.



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
I guess working at an airport and seeing go arounds sometimes weekly I don't get the excitment. In fact I don't even take the time to look anymore......

Why rain on this parade?

Last I checked, this is a site for enthusiasts that are passionate about aviation. This is a great post of a relatively high quality and lengthy video. It nicely documents the approach and the communications regarding this relatively uncommon situation. I certainly find it interesting, as do 1662 other readers (at the time of this posting)

Thanks, Fiaz, for the enjoyable post.



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Great Video.... Thanks

User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Quoting Cascade07 (Reply 8):
however ATC were pretty keen to find out the reason for the go around...Would this type of questioning by ATC be normal or were they perhaps a bit peeved about the go around messing up their presumably busy patterns???

It's not that they are peeved, it's just that they like to know what the cause is in case it is something that will affect following aircraft, ie windshear, strong gusts etc. A few years back on a blustery day i watched from my apartment window as a BA319 came in to land. About 3 miles from touchdown the aircraft performed a go round with the male voice saying 'shuttle XXX going around'. ATC asked for the reason over the various frequencies with the NF pilot saying 'we'll tell you later'. Back on approach 10 mins later it was a female voice handling the communications.....all she said was 'we were a bit out of shape on approach'. Probably just a rookie pilot that got caught out by the gusty winds that day, so the more experienced captain took over. But to ATC it might have been something more serious that could affect following flights.

Cheers



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8227 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Uh, am I the only one who doesn't get it? It's a go-around, if you don't see one every day you'll see one every other day.


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User currently offlineDC10Forever From Brazil, joined Oct 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Sometimes rookie or very experienced pilots are complete out of the shape on approach and they report ATC many other reasons to go around. Just to not be with a impression of a bad pilot before their colleagues. It's weird but it happens a lot.

In this nice video the NF reported "problems with the landing gear lights". Isn't a little weird to check and see this at the final approach just seconds before touch down ?

Regards,

Renato



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User currently offlineDC10Forever From Brazil, joined Oct 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 10):
Quoting Fiaz (Reply 4):
But i question the landing they did the second time ,,,,if you look closely it seemed like he missed allot of the runway

Looks to me like he had plenty of runway. He did land a bit long, but after a gear warning he probably wanted to set her down as gently as possible - which he did.

Very good landing, and it sounds like the crew did a good job handling the situation.

Drew

Take a look at this video and check it out the difference between the two landings:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...y_Pacific_Aviation_Video-6421.html

The PIA was long and smooth and this Cathay seems to be a very short landing with a nice crosswind to help.

Rgs,

Renato



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9901 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3752 times:
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Quoting Richarlc (Reply 11):
Watch closely you'll see the nose gear door open at the last minute.

I believe that was the start of gear retraction due to the go-around.

~Vik



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User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3752 times:
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I think that sometimes "Go Arounds" can scare the ATC aswell, but i dunno why,,because from the sounds of this video...it seemed like the ATC were questioning that whole situation ....

By the way,,,as anyone (pilot) seen a very scaring scenario go around happen- like another aircraft on the runway...etc??


Fiaz


User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3621 times:
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Thanks Renato!!!

for that video

i see what ur saying, but when u look closely to the PIA video...i just question why he would plant the plane down so late....see if ur having landing gear troubles....woulnt u want to plant it down so it gives u significant amounts of spaces to stop or recover.......and plus he could of brought it down smoothly a few hundreds of metres back aswell

well..im sure u guys have better judgment....what do u guys thinks??

Fiaz


User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

It's a cool video! It was posted earlier this week but it's really worth seeing.


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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9901 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3354 times:
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Quoting Fiaz (Reply 21):
well..im sure u guys have better judgment....what do u guys thinks??

Based on the runway markings I can see in the video, he touched down within the touchdown zone (first ~3,000 feet), albeit toward the end of the zone. Should be a perfectly safe landing.

~Vik



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User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

If I were to execute a going around, and the ATC asked. I was hot and high, but too embarrased to reveal the actual reason, could I just say like what the pilot said landing gear light? Are they gonna check it?

Cheers,
PP



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25 Post contains links Positiverate : This was discussed in a previous thread: RE: Cool Video Of A 747 On A Go-around -ATC Included (by Positiverate Jun 12 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID282133
26 AvroArrow : Very good quality video, great camera work and also nice with the ATC feed dubbed in too.
27 Caspian27 : Actually, rechecking that the landing gears are green, indicating down and locked is part of the final landing items checklist.
28 Jetdeltamsy : That's what i'm thinking. That was about as average a landing as they come.
29 Mir : Well, if there's windshear or a microburst about, ATC wants to know about it ASAP so that they can issue advisories to other aircraft. Probably caugh
30 Positiverate : There's about a million reasons why ATC would want to know why an airplane went around, ranging from the one mentioend above to FOD or an obstruction
31 Oly720man : PK716 is JFK-MAN Now they use 747 for MAN-IAH-MAN, PK719/720. Seems to have changed over from 772 on 9th June. AP-BAT has done the last 2 flights.
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