Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1442 times:
I would highly reccommend Purdue. Sometime this weekend I will post a little more detain about our program, but I have a test on the our King Air B200 operations in a few hours, so I need to get to sleep. Meanwhile, you can probably find some info on Purdue if you search the xrchive, or you can e-mail me. Just to give you a brief intro, we operate a fleet of 14 Warrior IIIs as basic trainers (there are actually 1- right now, but the others are en toute from the Piper factory in Florida as we speak), 4 Arrows for instrument/complex training, a C-182 for high performance training, 2 C-150s for spin training and the flight team, 2 Duchesses for multi-engine training, a Chipmunk for acrobatic training, 2 King Air 200s and a Beechjet 400A for student Turbine Flight Operations (run basically as a corporate flight department within the university, with a student first officer on every flight), 6 Frasca flight training devices, and 2 727 simulators (a Level A -100 and a Level C -200). We operate out of the Purdue University Airport in West Lafayette, IN, and have the best faculty a college could ask for. I'll write in with more for you later...
LordOfTheFlys From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 79 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1446 times:
Damn, that makes me want to switch to Purdue Tbar220 I guess it all boils down to how much money you can afford to spend. Purdue, North Dakota, Riddle, are all good schools (from what I've heard) and I'm sure there are many others as well. Just figure out your budget and choose accordingly. But then again there are such a wide variety of grants, loans, scholarships and other forms of financial aid available if you pursue hard enough you should be able to go wherever you desire. You may be paying off student loans till you are 50 (why does that sound familiar?) but it's all worth it in the end. Well now that I am done contradicting myself...Just make sure you are not attending a school where you basically shelling out 50 grand for your ratings and a slot on a regional carrier, it will bite you in the ass later on. Cheers, and good hunting.
DALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2449 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1423 times:
I agree: ERAU, UND, Purdue all good programs. I went to ERAU, Daytona for their maintenance program. Just a thought; most pilots get thier first couple of jobs by good networking, not by some school placement program. Make friends, join a fraternity, the school flight team, anything. Don't just sit in your dorm playing Nintendo.
Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1403 times:
Sorry it took me so long to get back with some more info...
Purdue's Aviation Department is a part of the School of Technology, and features 3 majors - aeronautical technology (maintenance), aviation administration, and flight. If you enter the flight program with no private certificate, as most people do, you will earn one in your first semester, while flying brand new Piper Warrior IIIs. Over the two following semesters, you will learn commercial maneuvers and build time in the Warriors, followed by a semester in Piper Arrows, during which you will earn your instrument rating and commercial certifiacte. Each semester during the second year also features a course in the Frasca flight training device to learn instrument procedures. In the first semester of your junior year, you will fly the Beechcraft Duchess, earning your multi-engine rating, and begin to take classes on the 727 and King Air. Simultaneously, you enter the 727-100 simulator. Finally, in the second semester of your junior year, you upgrade to the 727-200 and become eligible to fly the King Airs (all flight students fly the King Airs, but the semster during which you fly it varies from spring of the junior year to fall of the senior year so that there is a steady supply of copilots year round.)
At the same time that you are undergoing the flight training, you would take other classes as well. Some of the classes required are general education (math, physics, english, communications, psychology, etc.), but most are aviation or aviation related. Coursework includes classes on aircraft powerplants, aircraft systems (general as well as 727 and King Air), crew resource management, aviation weather, ethics and professionalism in aviation, human factors, turbine flight operations, high altitude operations, navigation, and more. Additionally, as a Big Ten University, Purdue offers a large selection of courses in other disciplines as well, so you can take other courses that interest you if you choose to do so. For example, quite a few people in AvTech (aviation technology) are taking a minor in management from the Krannert School of Management.
In all, I have had a great experience with Purdue so far. The faculty really is the best I could imagine. Many of the professors are former airline pilots, while others are career aviator-educators. The staff members all make themselves available to students outside of class for extra help or just to talk, and they make it blatently obvious that they are here because they enjoy working with students - not because the university is paying them to do research. With a campus of roughly 37,000 students, we have a full college experience, and our aviation program is well renowned throughout the industry, with at least one airline expressing a preference for a 300 hour Purdue grad over a 1500 hour pilot who did not go to school here. The only downside I see to Purdue is location (as a San Diegan, I just can't get used to the Indiana topography!), but it's worth it to go to school here.
Hope this has helped - let me know if you have any questions regarding Purdue, our program, or anything else.
US521 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1389 times:
The #1 school for commercial piloting (FAA says this) is ERAU (Embry Riddle). The 2nd is CCBC (Community College of Beaver COunty). So if ya can't afford ERAU go to CCBC. They are based out of Beaver County AIrport and have the best ATC program in the World. They own Cessna 152's, 172's, 310's, Beech Duchess's, and a Beech 200 King Air. Their is another flight school on the airport that also rents a L-29 jet trainer.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1383 times:
I hope this isn't asking too much of you, but do you have any more details about either ERAU and CCBC flight programs? If you do, I would really appreciate it. And a big thank you to Purdue Arrow. The information is quite useful.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1356 times:
Thank you all for the information. It has been very helpful. I've narrowed it down to four choices, and don't really need to go from here, if anyone can give me maybe the advantages that one has over the other or not, that would help.
1. Embry Riddle Aeronautical University
2. Purdue University
3. University of Illinois - Urbana/Champain
Cactusa319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1349 times:
Tell you what, Purdue, ERAU, UND. Great schools. Buttloads of money, though. I don't know about U of I as a major aviation school. A better aviation school in the state of Illinois is Southern Illinois University-Carbondale. We have one of the top 5 programs in the country, good flying weather during most of the year, great faculty, and a large variety of internships and job placement opportunities.Did I mention a great social atmosphere? The base tuition is also a lot less than the other schools you mentioned, although flight fees are about the same. I think you should consider SIUC along with the other four you have listed.
SMcC From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1331 times:
What about going to an "ordinary" university, and getting your ratings on the side. Try to find an instructor with some honest to goodness experience. It's not easy. Flight instructing can have many rewards, but a good paycheck is not one of them. Most instructors just want to build time, and move on to something bigger and better. I was one of them. I often think back about what I would have to offer my old students if I had the experience then, that I have now. The first thing I did after I got my commercial was to get my CFI, and soon thereafter CFII & MEI. I did well with private students and BFR's, but with low time and experience I did not have much to offer advanced students.
On the other hand as a student you really have to teach yourself, while the guy next to you keeps you out of trouble. And don't forget it's supposed to be fun!
SkyWestPilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1331 times:
I don't know what your religious background, but I went to a Christian school called LeTourneau University in Longview, Texas and got my Bachelor's in Aviation Technology. I think they call it Aeronautical Science now. In a busy four years you get your A&P Mechanic and all pilot ratings through CFII and Multi (141 training). I'm not sure if MEI is an option now (it wasn't when I went through 7 years ago). They have a fleet of brand new C172s, a couple arrows, a Citabria, and a couple Beech Duchesses (graduates are coming out with 50+ hours multi). Because it's private school it will cost a little more, but probably not much more than ERAU.
Wmubronco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
Why no metion of western michigan? It contiulay ranks in the top 3 ERAU UND and WMU. We've come in thrird or better at every nifa (inter collegiat flying compitition) shouldnt that speek for our training. excuse the spelling errors its early in the morning
Nwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1294 times:
UIUC - your #3 on the list is great!
We have a brand new fleet of 180hp Piper Archer IIIs.
We have one brand new Piper Arrow (4more on the way)
We have 2 cessna 152s and 3 Duchess.
The program works in one of two ways.
1) Your get all your ratings and pick a major such as business, psych, history, whatever.
2) Major in Aviation Human Factors. That is what i am doing. You get to take really intersting classes like Airline Accident Investigation PLUS you go all the way from your private to instrument to commerical to Instructor to Mulitengine to Instrument instructor and then you will probably get hired as an instructor by the University. About 1 year of so of that and you are off to the commuters (we have a lot of grads going to SkyWest and Mesaba at present)
The website is www.aviation.uiuc.edu
Come to UIUC!! It's a great campus and flight program. If you have any questions email me.
Wmubronco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1281 times:
I know Western Michigan is 27,000 for flight fees, and around 1500-2000 a semester depending on how many criedits one takes. A lot of money but a bargain compared to the cost of ERAU, and just as good instruction if not better.