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LANArgentina: MIA-EZE Starts 15 August 2006  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33273 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

The last step towards allowing LANArgentina to fly to the US - US DOT approval to use their own 4M-registered aircraft on the route - was recieved last week, and 4M has now announced that service to Miami will being 15 August 2006. LAN Argentina will operate a daily 767-300ER service on the route, joining American Airlines (1x daily 772/1x daily 763 which becomes 2x daily 772 in September at the expense of RDU-LGW's 772) and Aerolineas Argentinas (daily service with a mix of A340 and A310 aircraft) on the route.

PR (Spanish):
http://www.eleconomista.es/mercados-...os-entre-Buenos-Aires-y-Miami.html

Good week for MIA. Two key long-haul routes get a third non-stop carrier, Buenos Aires and Madrid.

[Edited 2006-06-19 18:35:32]


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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Wow, FINALLY LAN's 4M affiliate in Argentina is getting its act together!

Now, the article makes reference to 'un Boeing 767-300ER'. I would assume 4M would need TWO aircraft to make its EZE-MIA service a daily offering.

Does anyone know if the new LV-registered aircraft are existing LA examples [with a new Argentine registration], or whether they are brand-new 767-316ER's from LAN's existing 15 unit order? I believe a number of aircraft from this order have already been delivered to LA.

Also, what about REGIONAL flights to Brasil and Uruguay for 4M? Couldn't 4M compete with AR and PU on the AEP-MVD run and flights to GRU/GIG/POA [in competition with JJ and G3]?

Any clue how many A320's are scheduled for the 4M affiliate in Argentina?


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Since this thread talks about MIA, what happened to Eurofly's summer service?

Any new airlines looking to serve MIA? Supposedly this year Acerca and Domodedovo will start flying there.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Here's the PR in English:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060619/20060619005787.html?.v=1


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33273 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 2):
Any new airlines looking to serve MIA? Supposedly this year Acerca and Domodedovo will start flying there.


Coming up this year we have the aforementioned LANArgentina starting 15Aug06 and Air Madrid starts 30Oct06.

Domodedovo Airlines planned to start service when they switched to their summer timetable at the end of March, but did not get US government approval until mid-April, by which time all their resources have been allocated. They plan to start MIA with the switch to the winter 2006/07 timetable, which is better in the end, because it is always best to launch service during peak travel periods. Aserca and Conviasa have both announced MIA service. Conviasa hasn't announced route plans, but Aserca plans to operate four daily flights to MIA using a pair of MD80s that they plan to acquire this fall. The routes will be Maracaibo-Miami, Santo Domingo-Barquisimeto-Miami, Valencia-Miami, and Puerto Ordaz-Barcelona-Miami. Of course, neither Aserca nor Conviasa have yet to apply with DOT to fly to the US. I have do believe that Conviasa will probably land at MIA before Aserca does.

South African Airways, which has already begun advertising in print ads advising customers to "watch for our newest US gateway in the coming months", will probably make a decission on if that new gateway is MIA by the end of the summer.

[Edited 2006-06-20 00:37:30]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23296 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 1):

Does anyone know if the new LV-registered aircraft are existing LA examples [with a new Argentine registration], or whether they are brand-new 767-316ER's from LAN's existing 15 unit order? I believe a number of aircraft from this order have already been delivered to LA.

From boeing.com (which is not necessarily the most reliable source), it appears that LA has 10 outstanding 763ER pax orders and 1 outstanding 763F order. CC-CWF, a passenger bird, was the most recently delivered (March 2006). If the 320 is any indication, the 763s will likely come from within the LA system, as LV-BET flew as CC-COO for LA, LP (as VP-BCS), and I think LAN Ecuador too.

[Edited 2006-06-20 01:28:24]


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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
10 outstanding 763ER pax orders

This sounds a bit too much for SCL operations only, if you ask me. Off course they could use the new birds on LA and LP and transfer some used metal to 4M.
From Airbus.com I retrieve that there are 32 pending A320 orders and 2 more A340's on order.
The reason for the A340's is obvious (ETOPS), the A320's will likely nreplace the 732 fleet (both in Chile and Argentina) and help LAN expand in Argentina, Equador and Peru.
IMHO LAN is a great LatAm carrier, hope they keep up the good work.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 1):
Wow, FINALLY LAN's 4M affiliate in Argentina is getting its act together!

Not really. Booking in December, the non-stop flight doesn't show up. So, that gives you a huge level of uncertainty.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 1):
Now, the article makes reference to 'un Boeing 767-300ER'. I would assume 4M would need TWO aircraft to make its EZE-MIA service a daily offering.

Indeed. LAN Argentina officials said the route would start 15Jul06 with a 3 or 4x weekly flight. And then upgraded to daily on 15Aug06. That's when they said they'd be going to get their second 767-300ER. It seems that the first 767 is going to be the LAPA bird, LV-ZPL. Don't know what the new registration is going to be.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 1):
Does anyone know if the new LV-registered aircraft are existing LA examples [with a new Argentine registration], or whether they are brand-new 767-316ER's from LAN's existing 15 unit order?

Read above. The first one will not be a LAN owned bird. It'll be a -3Q8/ER.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 1):
Also, what about REGIONAL flights to Brasil and Uruguay for 4M? Couldn't 4M compete with AR and PU on the AEP-MVD run and flights to GRU/GIG/POA [in competition with JJ and G3]?

They are still trying to get their the ontime record better. The first A320 flight departed with a 50 minute delay. Right after that flight, just like PHKLM said, the A320 visited the MX hangars. And as for the route, I believe they have asked for permission for them, and were granted - yet, they didn't add any new destination since '05. They don't have new additions to their fleet, I guess that's the reason. And plus, they need to add the non-profitable destinations they are required.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
LV-BET flew as CC-COO for LA, LP (as VP-BCS), and I think LAN Ecuador too.

LV-BET flew for LP as VP-BCS and CC-COO.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 1):
Any clue how many A320's are scheduled for the 4M affiliate in Argentina?

LAN says there will be 4 A320s and 3 737-200s by year-end 2006. Let's hope so.  Yeah sure

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 6):
the A320's will likely nreplace the 732 fleet (both in Chile and Argentina) and help LAN expand in Argentina

They will be replaced, but their cost is a tad higher than the 732s, because they are bigger airplanes. A319s are much more suitable replacements - and still their cost is higher. I guess we will be seing some A318s, I hope!  Smile

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 6):
IMHO LAN is a great LatAm carrier, hope they keep up the good work.

Yes, and within the legality in every country.

Cheers! wave 
Gaston - The MD11junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2401 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
Yes, and within the legality in every country.

Gaston-The 4M hater junkie.

Could it be that old conosur rivalry that keeps your flames going?



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 6):
This sounds a bit too much for SCL operations only, if you ask me. Off course they could use the new birds on LA and LP and transfer some used metal to 4M.

But CC registred can be useful for Lan Peru and Lan Ecuador ops. At least while Peruvian regulation doesn't get any review

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
Yes, and within the legality in every country

Cheers for that.

I hope you won't get a new EZE-MIA carrier, but also some of the nibest cabin, with ptvs and headrests...

Rehards )(



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 8):
Gaston-The 4M hater junkie.

Could it be that old conosur rivalry that keeps your flames going?

Take a look at the last two threads about LAN Argentina created by me. You'll see that my criticism has gone WAY down. This is because they've started doing things right, and they have a LOOOOONG way to go. But I've stepped up again, because they are starting to fail again with their promises. They are still missing to employ the 150 employees (ex-MJ, D7 and A4) that they promised they would, and on top of that, they agreed with the unions there would be no firing, and in the last month at least 3 people had been fired, even though they were reinstated due to union pressures.

Here they are:

Finally! First A320 For LAN Argentina! (by MD11junkie May 18 2006 in Civil Aviation)
LAN Argentina B737-200 Incident (by MD11junkie May 17 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Cheers! wave 
Gaston - The MD11junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
And plus, they need to add the non-profitable destinations they are required.

I have seen this mentioned before and, if true, is rather bizarre. I know there have been several rumors posted over the past week alleging:

- AR's controlling shareholder, Marsans SA, has already or is about to strike an agreement with 'K' which would widen the price-control bands for domestic cabotage fares in Argentina, in return for obtaining a 5-20% equity stake in AR and a "promise" to broaden the equity participation by "Argentine nationals" to over 51%

- Also, AR would receive direct government subsidies for fuel on "non-profitable" routes to destinations such as Nowhere, Patagonia

- 'K' wants more control over AR and loves to play hardball. As I am sure you know, he is in Madrid right now and will most likely announce the agreement with Marsans SA very soon

- But, is LAN's Argentine subsidiary REQUIRED under any sort of agreement with the State to serve places like Desierto, Jujuy and Jungla, Misiones? I simply mention these imaginary destinations as non-viable routes under the existing price-control system

Here's a question: why doesn't the government abandon its price-controls and allow AR and 4M to charge WHAT THE MARKET WANTS to destinations passengers WANT TO FLY TO?


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 8):
Could it be that old conosur rivalry that keeps your flames going?

No rivalry, pure fraternal Andean brotherhood... o no, Gastón?

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Here's a question: why doesn't the government abandon its price-controls and allow AR and 4M to charge WHAT THE MARKET WANTS to destinations passengers WANT TO FLY TO?

Do you have any answer you want to share?



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Here's a question: why doesn't the government abandon its price-controls and allow AR and 4M to charge WHAT THE MARKET WANTS to destinations passengers WANT TO FLY TO?

So that the masses can fly.   Peronist ideas. You figure them out.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
AR's controlling shareholder, Marsans SA, has already or is about to strike an agreement with 'K' which would widen the price-control bands for domestic cabotage fares in Argentina, in return for obtaining a 5-20% equity stake in AR and a "promise" to broaden the equity participation by "Argentine nationals" to over 51%

That is only a rumour, and hasn't been confirmed by anyone. Still, Marsans would still be the biggest shareholder.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Also, AR would receive direct government subsidies for fuel on "non-profitable" routes to destinations such as Nowhere, Patagonia

AFAIK, Fuel is 50% of the cost. If it were to be subsidized, taxes and fees should be covered IMO. And 'nowhere, Patagonia' is LADE's territory. Don't mess with her  

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
'K' wants more control over AR and loves to play hardball. As I am sure you know, he is in Madrid right now and will most likely announce the agreement with Marsans SA very soon

Yes, but let's see what he does. He's pretty astute. That would liberate somewhat 300 million dollars to cover ARs expenses and that would the company completely back on track.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
But, is LAN's Argentine subsidiary REQUIRED under any sort of agreement with the State to serve places like Desierto, Jujuy and Jungla, Misiones? I simply mention these imaginary destinations as non-viable routes under the existing price-control system

Sorry, but the agreement with the government stated that they HAD to fly to those destinations. If they don't abide it, why should the government allow them from operating in the country?

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Here's a question: why doesn't the government abandon its price-controls and allow AR and 4M to charge WHAT THE MARKET WANTS to destinations passengers WANT TO FLY TO?

Here's another question: Why would a left 'thinking' government that is struggling to keep inflation under 1% would do that?

Just so you have it clear, 20% increase in the bands, DOES not mean increase in fares. That is just word play.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
No rivalry, pure fraternal Andean brotherhood... o no, Gastón?

Of course, my friend.  Smile

Cheers!  
Gaston - The MD11junkie

[Edited 2006-06-20 05:03:22]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33273 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
Not really. Booking in December, the non-stop flight doesn't show up. So, that gives you a huge level of uncertainty.

No, it doesn't. Airline schedule changes are updated on Saturdays. That means that when an airline route is announced, it typically isn't bookable until the next Saturday. A few airlines, like Delta, upload new routes right away, but it is not common.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
No, it doesn't. Airline schedule changes are updated on Saturdays. That means that when an airline route is announced, it typically isn't bookable until the next Saturday. A few airlines, like Delta, upload new routes right away, but it is not common

Thanks for the data, it doesn't show up in Aug either. Will check back on Sat.

Cheers! wave 
Gaston - The MD11junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23296 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Gaston-

Are the bilaterals between Argentina and Uruguay and Argentina and Brazil liberal enough that 4M could fly to those countries if they were so inclined?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
LV-BET flew for LP as VP-BCS and CC-COO.

I think it flew for both LA and LP with both registrations; there are pictures of it in the database flying to PUQ, PMC, and MVD. Remember that, as Arcano mentioned, the Peruvians are not as picky as the Argentines when it comes to registrations.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Remember that, as Arcano mentioned, the Peruvians are not as picky as the Argentines when it comes to registrations

That's because their law doesn't say anything about it. Ours does, and if you want to operate in Argentina - picky or not, you need to follow the rules. End of story.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Are the bilaterals between Argentina and Uruguay and Argentina and Brazil liberal enough that 4M could fly to those countries if they were so inclined?

I think they've already asked for permission for somewhat like 25 routes and they've gotten permission for all of them. No need to check the Bilats.

Cheers! wave 
Gaston - The MD11junie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
Sorry, but the agreement with the government stated that they HAD to fly to those destinations. If they don't abide it, why should the government allow them from operating in the country?

I was asking a question, not making a statement. I thought the ONLY condition LA agreed to with the State when it launched 4M was to hire the 800 ex-A4, MJ and D7 employees. I did not know 4M was under any sort of requirement to serve certain undesirable, unprofitable destinations.

These conditions, as well as the 49% foreign ownership threshold, do not facilitate the entry of new capital investment and increased competition in the domestic Argentine cabotage market.

Liberalized fares + new capital investment = better service and lower fares

I suspect this concept is completely foreign to 'K' and his cronies.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
Here's another question: Why would a left 'thinking' government that is struggling to keep inflation under 1% would do that?

See above. These people have NO idea how markets work or what incentives economic agents rely on when making commercial decisions. Remember, these are the same people that imposed an embargo on beef exports, to control domestic beef prices!! They all need to take some price theory and microeconomics classes!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23296 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 17):
That's because their law doesn't say anything about it. Ours does, and if you want to operate in Argentina - picky or not, you need to follow the rules. End of story.

Easy there, tiger. I wasn't trying to pick a fight but rather trying to point out that the bird operated for both LA and LP with both registrations, something allowed under Peruvian and Chilean law but prohibited under Argentine law.

FWIW (though I am way off topic here), until 4M gets bigger, the inability to sub CC or VP registered birds is going to be an operational handicap, especially when the 763s begin to arrive and no spares are on property. They may have to cancel some flights for m/x when it would be pretty easy just to ferry a bird over from SCL and have it operate the flights.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Easy there, tiger. I wasn't trying to pick a fight but rather trying to point out that the bird operated for both LA and LP with both registrations, something allowed under Peruvian and Chilean law but prohibited under Argentine law.

Yet, you said Argentines were picky because we didn't allow this. I don't know if you word it incorrectly, but if there's a law, it was made to be respected. If Aerolíneas Argentinas does it, why can't LAN Argentina?

In other news, Clarín brought it up:
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/06/20/elpais/p-01205.htm

An extract from the article:

Quoting Clarín:
La aerolínea Lan Argentina va a comenzar con sus vuelos internacionales desde la Argentina hacia Estados Unidos a partir del 15 de agosto: el debut será con la ruta Ezeiza-Miami, tres veces por semana, con un Boeing 767-300.

The article states that the route will start with a 3x weekly frequency, which means yet another delay (another month) to the 'original' date (set one month ago). And this is why, I don't question the 'see it, then believe it' or 'ver para creer'.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

OK, I am about to launch another maverick comment which I doubt any Argentine wants to here, but every so often feel that it has to be said:

If Argentina were a more law-abiding country, I am sure that we would not be wrestling with LAN at every corner forcing them to abide by Argentine laws. I am not Chilean and I am not the CEO of LAN, hence I don't know for sure what their agenda is, but Argentina's Achilles heel or punto débil is its lawlessness, and I would be surprised if LAN were not so opportunistic as to try--where possible--to capitalise on that, the classic case of "give an inch, we'll take a mile". The fact that they have not succeeded is credit to Argentina, but that is not to say that Argentine opposition to LAN is not entirely devoid of hypocrisy.

Flame me those who wish to, I'm merely inverting the coin.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23296 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 20):
Yet, you said Argentines were picky because we didn't allow this. I don't know if you word it incorrectly, but if there's a law, it was made to be respected.

Would you have preferred captious, carping, critical, dainty, fastidious, fault-finding, finicky, fussy, nice, particular, or persnickety? Those are Roget's other options for "picky." I'm sorry picky has such a negative connotation for you. What word would you have selected?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 20):
If Aerolíneas Argentinas does it, why can't LAN Argentina?

Because it's stupid that 4M should have to cancel a flight for m/x when a suitable replacement aircraft is available in SCL. If it's flown by Argentines and full of Argentines, who cares where the aircraft is registered?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Here's a question: why doesn't the government abandon its price-controls and allow AR and 4M to charge WHAT THE MARKET WANTS to destinations passengers WANT TO FLY TO?

In that case, AR will stop serving most cities.
Only Bariloche,Cordoba,Salta,Iguazu,Mendoza,Ushuaia and Mar del Plata will stay.

Flying to Trelew? Formosa? Rio Grande? Catamarca? Sorry. WE ONLY FLY WHERE THE PASSENGERS WANT TO FLY.


USADreamliner  wave 


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
Because it's stupid that 4M should have to cancel a flight for m/x when a suitable replacement aircraft is available in SCL. If it's flown by Argentines and full of Argentines, who cares where the aircraft is registered?

How about the law? I don't see Argentine registered planes flying domestic in Chile. And even 3I, AR's supposedly sister company is flying - with chilean reg, when it is much more simple to send over a 732 from AU or AR.  Yeah sure

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
Would you have preferred captious, carping, critical, dainty, fastidious, fault-finding, finicky, fussy, nice, particular, or persnickety? Those are Roget's other options for "picky." I'm sorry picky has such a negative connotation for you. What word would you have selected?

If you meant picky, no, it's called not creating ghost airlines like LAN has created in Peru and Ecuador. Airlines that have no planes dedicated.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
25 MAH4546 : LANPeru has dedicated aircraft for non-long haul services.
26 Post contains links and images MD11junkie : Not anymore. http://www.aerotransport.org/php/go....?query=operator&where=105805&luck= Cheers! Gastón - The MD11junkie
27 Pdpsol : I would argue private carriers such as 4M and AR would continue servicing destinations such as these if they can do so profitably. How do I suggest t
28 Post contains images TBCITDG : Firstly, I just flew EZE-MIA on AA . . . Oh my God!! Would choose AR over them any day. The Club Condor product is soooo much better. Yet, if LA intro
29 Cubsrule : What public policy goal do these regulations serve?
30 Arcano : But during last election, there was some discussion about reviewing transport agreement with Chile, as you know, Chile is always a good vote charmer
31 Post contains images MD11junkie : This implicit requirement that you are taking is not like this. As stated before (in previous threads), the requirement is NOT have Argentine registe
32 LVZXV : Arcano can correct me if I am wrong, but I think he was referring to the ex-A4 767s in LA's fleet, whose cabin configuration is allegedly sub-standar
33 Cubsrule : I don't see how any of these regulations keep air transport running. They seem to make capital infusions from abroad more difficult. I know AR got sc
34 Pdpsol : What makes you think the Argentine market is not "ready" for liberalization and why are you insisting I "get this clear"? Argentines, Brasilians and
35 Post contains images MD11junkie : When things are too expensive, people don't buy it. That was the main purpose of keeping the prices under regulation. So, how useful they became? The
36 Post contains images MD11junkie : Really, just like the 100% ownership of AR by IB. That is the precedent that never existed? Society isn't ready. We are experienced the full liberali
37 Cubsrule : US$ 180 for a 1000 km flight like MDZ-AEP is not unreasonable. You should be glad that less fortunate passengers in Argentina have such an alternativ
38 LVZXV : Ok, points I agree and disagree with: To an extent, I agree. Argentina has seen a lot of airlines disappear in recent years, and Government red tape i
39 Arcano : Don't take me wrong, gaston, it wasn't a tricky question or intended as a valid point at all; it was an honest question. And the question remains; du
40 Cubsrule : I wouldn't have a problem with that policy in theory either, though I wonder how easy it would be to write appropriate regulations to define "emergen
41 LVZXV : I don't think a specific law was necessary when in effect this was nothing more than a standard wet-lease, no different to IB with their 743s and 744
42 Pdpsol : LVZXV, I thank you for your RU and, likewise, hold your opinions regarding Argentine civil aviation with the highest respect; you are very knowledgea
43 Arcano : Nah, don't worry at all. I have a major in economy, Marketing specialized, you just described me!. Still, obviously coming from my background, I thin
44 MAH4546 : The flights are now bookable. They will operate from EZE TuThSa/from MIA WeFrSu. The service will become daily later in the year by which time LANArge
45 OB1504 : Will this affect the routing of their current GYE flight 516/517 via UIO?
46 Pdpsol : Well, that is good news; and August 15 is less than two months away so, hopefully, they'll be able to market the new service. This is all well and goo
47 MAH4546 : Yes, most likely. Instead of one daily MIA-UIO-GYE flight, LANEcuador will operate two daily flights - one to UIO and GYE. This is being strongly con
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