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Rumor: BMI LHR-MOW For November Launch  
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Firstly, this is something which has been mentioned to me by a key BMI contact, so there is no actual souce for me to link to so take this at face value.

Apparently the route will be served twice daily from LHR, with the morning flight operated by BMI and the return (late afternoon) operated by UN. Both flights carrying respective flight numbers.

The interesting bit being that another 767 is being considered to operate this and another Middle Eastern route.

Any thoughts?

7L

[Edited 2006-06-20 13:52:28]


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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Likely to be true.
BMI have placed an advert on aviationjobsearch.com for Russian speaking cabin crew and the Russian government recently granted permission to BD to fly into MOW.


User currently offlineLazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Will UN use their own metal, or just code-share with BMI?
BMi are considering using another 767 from LHR to MOS? Whats the point?
1) Their not very likely to fill a 767, especially twice daily, for probably a year or so,
2) They are still recieving 319's aren't they? An a319 and maybe a 320 is plenty for that route, isn' it? (I'm uessing the 321's will be gone by then???)



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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

I heard from friend who handles UN in Moscow, there will 2 flights per day.

BMI with a 321 and UN with 737, each codesharing with each other.

UN's LGW loads are good, if they can fill the 737 into LHR, they may consider switching to a 767.

UN are concerned about LHR as there is more competition, where as LGW they are the only carrier to Moscow, and pick up alot of traffic from connections.


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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting BBJII (Reply 3):
UN are concerned about LHR as there is more competition, where as LGW they are the only carrier to Moscow, and pick up alot of traffic from connections.

I'm guessing UN is Transaero?
Isn't DME Transaero's base instead of SVO?
If correct, BD/UN/BA will operate to DME, with Aeroflot only operating to SVO.
Incidentally, what do Russians prefer, SVO or DME? It seems most international carriers serve SVO.

[Edited 2006-06-20 14:28:08]

User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

This fits with BM's strategy of going for the 4-6 hour sector flights. Egypt and the like are open to research. It allows them to operate either widebody or narrowbody, too, depending upon market size.

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 4):
Isn't DME Transaero's base instead of SVO?
If correct, BD/UN/BA will operate to SVO, with Aeroflot only operating to SVO

BD, BA and UN will serve DME, not SVO.

Quoting Billy (Reply 5):
This fits with BM's strategy of going for the 4-6 hour sector flights. Egypt and the like are open to research. It allows them to operate either widebody or narrowbody, too, depending upon market size.

Ah - hence the suggestion of the second 767. CAI anyone?

7L



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 6):
Ah - hence the suggestion of the second 767. CAI anyone?

Well Dammam has been suggested as a further Saudi destination, and would unlikely be suited to a daily service so would see any aircraft operated in conjunction with another service.



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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

They are looking for tags to the DMM service, but flying to DMM with an A321??!! and then on to ?? Muscat? Shahjah? Doha? And you are up against LH A340 and KL 767/330s

Crewing issues makes it impossible to tag via another Saudi point.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting Billy (Reply 8):
They are looking for tags to the DMM service, but flying to DMM with an A321??!! and then on to ?? Muscat? Shahjah? Doha? And you are up against LH A340 and KL 767/330s

Crewing issues makes it impossible to tag via another Saudi point.

Thats the big question - suspect Doha is out after the QR fiasco at LHR, so where instead. With VS joining BA on UAE flights against EK and EH on the other side, I assume Sharjah is out of the question as we don't have seperate bilaterals with the individual kingdoms of UAE like some countries I believe.

Muscat is a contender and probably have the demand for a three/four days a week service in conjunction with DMM. Bahrain is too close to DMM to make sense.



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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting Billy (Reply 8):
and then on to

Kuwait?

Bahrain?

Oman?



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Transaero have served LHR before havent they?


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
Transaero have served LHR before havent they?

LGW certainly - don't think they ever served LHR. Aeroflot and Pulkovo the only Russian carriers that have IIRC.



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User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

BD's flight's into Moscow will comence in Nov, Aircraft to be used will be an A320-200 all A321's will have left the BD fleet by then, as there being replaced by a319's ..

as for taking another 767' not likely to happen - as BD are in talks with LH to lease to A340's for next year, as by early 07 both of the 767's that are in the fleet now will be gone.



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 13):
as for taking another 767' not likely to happen - as BD are in talks with LH to lease to A340's for next year, as by early 07 both of the 767's that are in the fleet now will be gone.

Okay so the additional aircraft aspect of what I heard was correct - just got the type wrong.



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User currently offlineBmiexpat From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 13):
by early 07 both of the 767's that are in the fleet now will be gone.

There is only one B767, leased from TUI (Arkefly), currently operating the routes from LHR to KSA.


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