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User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

I was reading a couple of days ago that the flights to AKL/SYD are the most profitable for Aerolineas Argentinas and the flights to MAD are the worst.
Any idea if this is true?
What about MIA, FCO, GIG, GRU, SCL, COR, IGR, BRC, USH ?


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

MIA-EZE is quite high-yielding for AA, so I would imagine that AR does well as well. Of course, that doesn't say anything relative to other longhaul destinations.


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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
the flights to MAD are the worst.

Oh ! I thought for years that MAD is the most profitable route for AR
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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 2):
Oh ! I thought for years that MAD is the most profitable route for AR

Same here!

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
What about MIA, FCO, GIG, GRU, SCL, COR, IGR, BRC, USH ?

Don't forget JFK.



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User currently offlineWorldsurfer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

The AKL/SYD route for AR rarely gets cancelled or changed unlike their other international flights that get switched to ridiculous departure times or cancelled all together.
My friend met me in SYD flying AR from EZE and she was talking to the crew about the route. They also told her that AR will send crews to stay in AKL for about 2 weeks and do the AKL-SYD-AKL leg of the trip.
They use the A340-200 and she said the service was great but the seats
looked worn down.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

Anybody has an idea of how well MEX does for AR? I am sure it is not as profitable as it could be because of the stop in BOG and the very attractive fares that AR advertises in Mexico. If AR could find a widebody with better range to send to MEX, they would surely turn a very nice profit.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
I was reading a couple of days ago that the flights to AKL/SYD are the most profitable for Aerolineas Argentinas and the flights to MAD are the worst.
Any idea if this is true?

Apparently so. I'm not an expert as to why, but I think it has something to do with yields on the EZE-MAD being awful. Fares are relatively low on this route, and the passengers are for the most part VFR (Visiting Friends & Relatives). And on the ever fewer occasions that AR send a 742 on the route instead of a 744, it proves costly against the competition. Bear in mind that on the westbound leg, the 742 very often has to put down somewhere in Brazil (GRU or GIG) for fuel.

Quoting Worldsurfer (Reply 4):
They use the A340-200 and she said the service was great but the seats
looked worn down.

Matters maybe, but they are more comfortable than those of the 744s.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
Anybody has an idea of how well MEX does for AR? I am sure it is not as profitable as it could be because of the stop in BOG and the very attractive fares that AR advertises in Mexico. If AR could find a widebody with better range to send to MEX, they would surely turn a very nice profit.

Hola Eddie! ¿Cómo estás?

Personally I believe that it was a big mistake to reintroduce the A310 a couple of years back. I think that AR--like several LatAm carriers--should have acquired a mix of 762ER/763ERs many years ago, for the A310 does not have a larger cousin of the same generation with a similar range, and struggles to even make it JFK on one tank. Besides the A342s, which serve a purpose, AR, in my opinion, should stick to Boeing for the time being.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 6):
Apparently so. I'm not an expert as to why, but I think it has something to do with yields on the EZE-MAD being awful. Fares are relatively low on this route, and the passengers are for the most part VFR (Visiting Friends & Relatives).

What makes this even more interesting and ironic, my friend Máximo, is that for IB this route is one of its top-two in terms of profit. Which goes to show that one's man meat... I guess AR could maybe increase its profitability in the route to MAD if it gets newer planes, signs codeshare and mileage agreements with other carriers and the Argentine per capita GDP continues to increase.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 6):
Fares are relatively low on this route, and the passengers are for the most part VFR (Visiting Friends & Relatives)

Hola Maximo! como estas?

Fares are indeed relatively low and competition is huge. Not only does AR have to compete directly with IB, but now Air Madrid offers very cheap flights, And also LAN Argentina should begin EZE-MAD, according to their original plans, so competition will be even tougher.

saludos  Smile



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
What makes this even more interesting and ironic, my friend Máximo, is that for IB this route is one of its top-two in terms of profit

IB probably gets most of the premium traffic for local passengers, and all the premium traffic from Europe that connects through MAD. AR probably gets very little connecting traffic through MAD and little connecting traffic at EZE.


User currently offlineWorldsurfer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
What makes this even more interesting and ironic, my friend Máximo, is that for IB this route is one of its top-two in terms of profit. Which goes to show that one's man meat... I guess AR could maybe increase its profitability in the route to MAD if it gets newer planes, signs codeshare and mileage agreements with other carriers and the Argentine per capita GDP continues to increase

The problem is that Argentine people are fed up with AR and do not want to fly their own airline, and even though the economy is on the rise , they would rather use US and European carriers for their service and reliability compared to AR.


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Any chance AR will restart EZE-Brazil-Europe flights again? Taking advantage of Varig situation.


USADreamliner


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