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Question On Aborted Landing / Video Link Incl.  
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Was browsing through Flightlevel350.com and found this video:

http://flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_B...nes_-_PIA_Aviation_Video-6419.html

Which contains video footage of a PIA 742 go-around followed by a safe landing.

The tower asks the pilot what the reason for the go-around was and the pilot says "unconfirmed landing light" and the tower says "understood, do you need time to reconfigure or are you happy to make another approach" to which the pilot says "no we need some time to do our procedure."

I was just wondering - what does an unconfirmed landing light mean? As in one of the bogies isn't locked?

If anyone could shed some light on this I'd be most interested to hear what it could be.

And awesome video by the way. Love the inclusion of ATC communication.


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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
"unconfirmed landing light"

Actually, he said: " unsafe landing gear light." "and we had a warning for the landing gear." I think that's pretty self explanatory.

Russ

[Edited 2006-06-21 01:50:18]

[Edited 2006-06-21 01:52:24]


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 1):
Actually, he said: " unsafe landing gear light." I think that's pretty self explanatory.

Enlighten me...the landing gear light was unsafe? Not all green?



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 2):
Enlighten me...the landing gear light was unsafe? Not all green?

That would be my guess. Since the also had a landing gear warning, I would imagine that they would have to do a check to see if there was indeed a problem, or perhaps it was just a false warning or a burned out light. Since they landed normally, I would assume it was just a burned out bulb.

Russ



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

That is what I initially thought, but if one of the lights wasn't green, then why did they even attempt the landing?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2831428/

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 2):
Enlighten me...the landing gear light was unsafe? Not all green?

Yes, that would be the case. It could also be an intransit light. With some a/c when the gear are going up or down, the grear handle glows amber showing the gear is in motion....Not up or down. About ten years ago we had that happen with an inbound SF340 flight. We talked to the crew on the radio and told them although you have an intransit light, you're also showing three grear. The down and locked light wire circuit is different then the intrasit light. He had three good gear. The problem was the 'intransit' circuit has a broken ground wire causing the light to stay on.



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Wow - can't believe this is the third time that this is being discussed! Neither of the two other threads came up as I was confirming this one.

So I still don't see why the pilot would abort the landing so late if the lights weren't on. Presumably he wasn't waiting until the last minute for all of them to go green.

I'm not in a position to be accusing the pilot of doing this, but the plane didn't look as though it was particularly well lined up on final approach, could that have been a reason? Though he did say he wanted to reconfigure, which presumably he wouldn't have had to do if it was just a matter of lining up properly.



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
So I still don't see why the pilot would abort the landing so late if the lights weren't on

He could have possibly gotten the warning after he was on short final. Wouldn't want to take the chance if there really was a problem.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
Though he did say he wanted to reconfigure

ATC actually used that term. The pilot just said that they needed to follow thier procedure, which I would assume, would entail running the checks to confirm the gear was working properly.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
but the plane didn't look as though it was particularly well lined up on final approach,

It did look as though he was in a bit of a crosswind situation. If you notice in the video after touchdown, there is a lot of rudder action going on. Being that it was a crosswind landing, it would be even more important to make sure that there was no gear problem. With the increased loads on the gear during a crosswind landing, they had better be 100% certain.

Russ



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