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Qantas & The B777...Is It Going To Happen!  
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10822 times:

Hello A.Netter's..... Big grin Big grin Big grin

I believe we all agree that its become just a matter of time as to when Qantas will place the history making order for the B777 variant...I'm just curious why Qantas hasn't placed the order yet?
Okay, I understand at this stage Qantas needs/wants an aircraft to be capable of operating all year-round without any weight restrictions especially on the lucrative SYD-LAX and MEL-LAX routes which Qantas mind you is doing very well with their B747-438 Extended Range aircraft....
With all these range issues aside I still dont understand why dont they have the 772/773 variants operating along side the strong B744 fleet? Neighbouring carriers operate the variant such as; NZ,SQ,TG,CX,JL,MH just to name a few and as far as I know it are extremely happy with the aircrafts performance and range....
I personally sense a B777 order is cooking up around the corner! Big grin
I wouldn't mind feed back on what everyone thinks & why the variant hasn't joined the fleet & why its taking so long!  Wink

EK413


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10800 times:


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User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10598 times:

Qantas is the only major not operating the 777 and the only "working together partner" who has not ordered it.

I thought ANZ ordering the 777 nearly prompted QF to do the same. I do believe that if its true that A380 can only do Melbourne LAX with next to no freight with a full load of passengers then the 777-200LR might have been a better bet. Time will tell and perhaps Qantas is lining up their 787-800s for better frequency higher yield Melbourne - LAX ops.

With Qantas so pissed with Airbus maybe they will 'finally' order the 777


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10509 times:

I hope Qantas is going for the 747-8I although that of cause is not the 777 competitor. There are enough 777s around to make the skies full with boring twinjets.

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10502 times:

Short answer: nobody (outside QF planning/management groups)) REALLY knows!

QF(International) have operated successfully from the early 60s to the mid 80s with basically ONE aircraft type(707), since then with TWO aircraft types(747,767). They clearly have not seen any advantage in adding another aircraft type to their fleet to date.

This is changing with the adding of the A380(whenever) and the replacement of the 767 with the 787. I would think they would be pretty reluctant to add a fourth type.

Having said that with fuel prices north of $US70 a barrel, A380 delays, etc who knows how the equation is changing at the present time. But 777 are expensive and not easy to get at short notice. I think in the end it is unlikley except for the ULR, but fuel prices probabley argue aganist that!

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User currently offlineABpositive From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

The only reason I can see Qantas buying 777 is if they become capable flying SYD-LHR non-stop in each direction, profitably.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 2):
Qantas is the only major not operating the 777

I suspect Lufthansa, SAS, South African, Virgin Atlantic, Northwest, US Air, LAN, China Airlines, Swiss, Aer Lingus, Turkish, Garuda, SN Brussels, China Eastern, Philippines, and a few others would feel a tad put out by that statement.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10295 times:
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Quoting Gemuser (Reply 4):
QF(International) have operated successfully from the early 60s to the mid 80s with basically ONE aircraft type(707),

Not exactly true.. QANTAS was an entirely 747 carrier(the only one) in 1979 So being a basically 707 carrier had ended some years before



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
With all these range issues aside I still dont understand why dont they have the 772/773 variants operating along side the strong B744 fleet

They choose the A333 to fit that role on the international fleet. Hence why we haven;t yet seen a 777 in QF colours.

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 2):
I do believe that if its true that A380 can only do Melbourne LAX with next to no freight with a full load of passengers then the 777-200LR might have been a better bet

The 777LR would never have been used on LAX-MEL - not enough capacity.

Quoting ABpositive (Reply 5):
The only reason I can see Qantas buying 777 is if they become capable flying SYD-LHR non-stop in each direction, profitably.

given SQ's comments about hteir ULR flights not being that profitable now with the high cost of fuel, I think this option has died a death for now.


User currently offlineSeJoWa From United States of America, joined May 2006, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9713 times:

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
I wouldn't mind feed back on what everyone thinks & why the variant hasn't joined the fleet & why its taking so long!

I can't comment on the latter part of your inquiry, but as to what I'm thinking - well, I'm transfixed by the pics you posted! Ain't that the meanest flying machine to serve up twin simplicity! I love to fly the A340, but just looking at the 777-200LR and 777-300ER is being touched by a sense of achievement. (Taking a deep breath.)

Alright, carry on.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

I see a 787-10 order instead. The 777-200 is going to be killed off by the 787-10 and the new new new A-350/370 (whatever they call it these days) since it will carry a similar payload at similar range but at a lower CASM IIRC.


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User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 3):
I hope Qantas is going for the 747-8I although that of cause is not the 777 competitor. There are enough 777s around to make the skies full with boring twinjets.

It's the way of the future  Wink


User currently offlineQantasA380 From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 212 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8416 times:

Qantas said at the time of the B787 order (earlier this year) that the B772LR and B773 provided no additional benefits to their current fleet strategy over the B787. At the same time, they suggested that they would reconsider the B777 if and only if Boeing could extend the range of the B772LR to accommodate profitable non-stop SYD-LHR and non-stop LHR-SYD sectors year round. Given the current prices associated with jet fuel, it seems unlikely that flights of this range would be profitable.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
I suspect Lufthansa, SAS, South African, Virgin Atlantic, Northwest, US Air, LAN, China Airlines, Swiss, Aer Lingus, Turkish, Garuda, SN Brussels, China Eastern, Philippines, and a few others would feel a tad put out by that statement.

I also agree that a number of non-B777 operators might be "put out" by suggestions that they are not "major" carriers...



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7905 times:

ANstar

They choose the A333 to fit that role on the international fleet. Hence why we haven;t yet seen a 777 in QF colours.


I have sources telling me that Qantas isn't happy with A330 series & wish they never had taken delivery of the birds .....  Sad
Pretty disappointing that the mighty T7 hasnt been seen in the QF scheme taking into account QF was a major carrier behind the design who worked along side BOEING when the aircraft was launched....  Sad

EK413



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User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

Acoording to GT of ATW. 777LR continue to be on high priority lists of QF and SQ. Both airlines are expected to announce decisions soon, although they "are not imminent."

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=6%2F22%2F2006


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5337 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 8):
They choose the A333 to fit that role on the international fleet. Hence why we haven;t yet seen a 777 in QF colours.

Mainly because they got a great deal from Airbus as part of the A380 order otherwise they almost certainly would have chosen the 772ER. 772ER's would have been a great aircraft IMO with a far greater range than the A333. They could have operated SYD-BOM non-stop, and other routes with more frequency than the 744 like FRA, AKL/BNE-LAX and Asia.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
I suspect Lufthansa, SAS, South African, Virgin Atlantic, Northwest, US Air, LAN, China Airlines, Swiss, Aer Lingus, Turkish, Garuda, SN Brussels, China Eastern, Philippines, and a few others would feel a tad put out by that statement.

You may want to read the rest of that sentence.

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 2):
Qantas is the only major not operating the 777 and the only "working together partner" who has not ordered it.

He is talking about airlines that were involved in the development of the 777. I'm not sure who was but I think UA, BA, SQ, CX and a few others certainly pushed Boeing to build the 777 and even helped with the design.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted Thu Jun 22 2006 04:46:55 UTC+2 and read 1435 times:

QF was a major carrier behind the design who worked along side BOEING when the aircraft was launched....




ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 3348 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted Thu Jun 22 2006 07:39:55 UTC+2 and read 149 times:

He is talking about airlines that were involved in the development of the 777. I'm not sure who was but I think UA, BA, SQ, CX and a few others certainly pushed Boeing to build the 777 and even helped with the design.


Qantas was one of the major carriers behind the designing of the mighty B777 variant.....  Sad

EK413



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5337 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Qantas was one of the major carriers behind the designing of the mighty B777 variant.....

Yes they were, I forgot to mention that.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 13):
I have sources telling me that Qantas isn't happy with A330 series & wish they never had taken delivery of the birds .....
Pretty disappointing that the mighty T7 hasnt been seen in the QF scheme taking into account QF was a major carrier behind the design who worked along side BOEING when the aircraft was launched....

Then why did they convert more A330-300 options a few years back and then order 2 more A330-200's for JQ? That doesn;t sound like they are unhappy to me?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

ANstar
Then why did they convert more A330-300 options a few years back and then order 2 more A330-200's for JQ? That doesn;t sound like they are unhappy to me?


True...Let's not forget Qantas got a sweet deal on these A330's...Otherwise Qantas would be operating the T7 along side the B744 fleet...

EK413



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 3):
I hope Qantas is going for the 747-8I although that of cause is not the 777 competitor. There are enough 777s around to make the skies full with boring twinjets.

Agreed, and it has been already rumored before that the 777 has been dropped from consideration in favor for the 747-8.
Article from May 26th:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,19256889-23349,00.html



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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

To answer the topic question,maybe according to ATWonline:

777-200LR still is on high priority lists at Qantas and Singapore Airlines, according to internal sources at both carriers. Qantas is impressed with the 747-8, but under its rules the aircraft may not be able to perform the Dallas-Sydney mission in all seasons. Boeing has been working with Qantas since mid-2005 to refine the 777-200LR to perform a variety of missions including London-Sydney nonstop and Sydney-Dallas. SIA has been looking to the type to replace its five A340-500s, with reports suggesting that its nonstops to New York and Los Angeles are not profitable. Boeing has been looking at a lighter-weight interior borrowed from the 787 to make the business case more compelling, and some progress has been made. Both airlines are expected to announce decisions soon, although they "are not imminent."

by Geoffrey Thomas

This all stems from an ATI article last week talking about QF revisiting the 772LR for ULH to DFW/JFK/LHR. Boeing needs to get some weight off the plane(7-9t), so QF can get the range and seat number for viable ULH services. I have no idea if this weight can be shaved off. If it can, then I think QF may reinvent the 772LR, just as they did the 789.


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