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June 30th And B6  
User currently offlineGoBlue From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

With B6 starting many new routes on June 30th, how have they collected the aircraft to start these routes.? Are they going to maximize utilisation of currently in service aircraft? Or are they starting all these routes with brand new aircraft?

Jason

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Hi GoBlue. That is a good question. A lot of the upcoming cities are E190 cities (RDU, CLT, PIT) which we do have spare a/c for. As for some of the A320 stuff happening (SYR - MCO, BUR - MCO, etc.), while we do typically have 1 spare a/c at JFK and LGB I have a feeling with the pull back on some of the transcon routes and the future changeover for the PWM flight from an A320 to an E190. Our goal right now is to fly the E190 more than what it is doing now to maximize revenue potential (from what I remember hearing). We're covered...don't worry.


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User currently offlineGoBlue From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

That sounds great, now with the addition of the JFK-CUN market, there is some more A320 service, hopefully they do not totally slash the idea of the transcons, they rae beneficial for everyone, however they do not yield the revenue the business people do.

I think B6 will be ok, any rumours of new cities yet?

GoBlue


User currently offlineBigdrewfl From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
Hi GoBlue. That is a good question. A lot of the upcoming cities are E190 cities (RDU, CLT, PIT) which we do have spare a/c for. As for some of the A320 stuff happening (SYR - MCO, BUR - MCO, etc.), while we do typically have 1 spare a/c at JFK and LGB I have a feeling with the pull back on some of the transcon routes and the future changeover for the PWM flight from an A320 to an E190. Our goal right now is to fly the E190 more than what it is doing now to maximize revenue potential (from what I remember hearing). We're covered...don't worry.

We also have one spare in FLL. Its always parked in the Remote spot next to Spirit.


User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting GoBlue (Reply 2):
any rumours of new cities yet?

Tonight I was told from a pilot to expect an announcement of three new markets that start with a "St."...As always, take it with a grain of salt. We'll see...

As far as E190 utilization....I'm assuming we're using the aircraft more as the reliability goes up. The lines for the E190 are getting more attractive. In the beginning, it was something most f/a's tried to avoid due to the lack of productivity. For July, the lines look much, MUCH better for us.


User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Why not have B6 use E190's on short thin routes and the A320's on the long heavily traveled routes? Within New York State they should use E190's exclusively. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineTmarch291 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 147 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 5):
Why not have B6 use E190's on short thin routes and the A320's on the long heavily traveled routes? Within New York State they should use E190's exclusively. Robert NWDC10

You would think that, but loads on JFK-BUF are very good. Correct me if im wrong, but I think there is 7x daily on A320 to BUF.


User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 5):
Why not have B6 use E190's on short thin routes and the A320's on the long heavily traveled routes? Within New York State they should use E190's exclusively. Robert NWDC10

I would think it has to do with capacity...not really range.



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User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

I've heard that St. Thomas and St. Louis are two of the cities that will be announced soon.... I don't know what the third would be.

Rob


User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4126 times:
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Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 8):
I've heard that St. Thomas and St. Louis are two of the cities that will be announced soon.... I don't know what the third would be.

St. Petersburg/Clearwater (PIE) to supplement their TPA traffic  Big grin

Seriously, St. Croix (STX) maybe ?



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

I was told tonight, Minneapolis/St. Paul and/or St. Louis- St. Thomas - and St. Maarten

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 10):
I was told tonight, Minneapolis/St. Paul and/or St. Louis- St. Thomas - and St. Maarten

I highly doubt MSP, though I think B6 would do very well there. The latter 3 are most likely the three "St." destinations being referred to.

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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

According to station mgr Tisdale at Richmond, B6 flts have been running full and they are looking to add more. My guess is they may substitute a few 320s if loads are that good, thus freeing up the 190s for other startup routes.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet...999&path=!business&s=1045855934855


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 12):
According to station mgr Tisdale at Richmond, B6 flts have been running full and they are looking to add more. My guess is they may substitute a few 320s if loads are that good, thus freeing up the 190s for other startup routes.

Unfortunately, this is not true. The station manager basically had to say that in order to get the local population more excited about B6. However, in reality, the RIC flights have been performing poorly both load- and yield-wise.

B6 was selling JFK-RIC at $59 o/w and BOS-RIC at $69 o/w even well past the inauguration of the service. Just recently the fares went up to $74 o/w (JFK) and $84 o/w (BOS). Perhaps this suggests some strengthening as we enter the summer travel season, though I think it has more to do with the hypothesis that more revenue will be collected via higher fares instead of higher loads.

In any case, I do not see RIC being grown at all until loads pick up. I think this was expected, however, as RIC isn't a huge city and B6 is a new entrant. It should take awhile before word of mouth becomes a huge marketing concept for B6 in that market.

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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 5):
Why not have B6 use E190's on short thin routes and the A320's on the long heavily traveled routes? Within New York State they should use E190's exclusively.

Not really BUF has 8X a day with 7 on the 320 and then 1 on the 190 and then ROC has about 5X 320 service and SYR has 4X-with 3 320 flights and a 190 flight starting soon.

Quoting Tmarch291 (Reply 6):
You would think that, but loads on JFK-BUF are very good. Correct me if im wrong, but I think there is 7x daily on A320 to BUF.

Right, they have 8X total with 7 of them 320.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 13):
In any case, I do not see RIC being grown at all until loads pick up. I think this was expected, however, as RIC isn't a huge city and B6 is a new entrant. It should take awhile before word of mouth becomes a huge marketing concept for B6 in that market.

Well I disagree, because in WMUPilot's trip report he was an FA for some RIC routes and he said the loads were very poor in the beginning but he checked the system and looks like the summer flights have high bookings and they may add 320's into the market. I am flying this route probably in July so I will see if it is right.

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 3890 times:
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Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 9):
Seriously, St. Croix (STX) maybe ?

The market could not support daily service that is for sure.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 3861 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 14):
Well I disagree, because in WMUPilot's trip report he was an FA for some RIC routes and he said the loads were very poor in the beginning but he checked the system and looks like the summer flights have high bookings and they may add 320's into the market. I am flying this route probably in July so I will see if it is right.

Of course...it is true that loads will be higher this summer. That's a given for every route. However, April and May had very poor loads as did most of June. While I'm sure July and August will perform just fine (hence the higher fares), though I don't suspect A320s would be put onto this route, the real test is once September comes around.

I'm sure it's too early to tell how RIC will perform. I'm sure it's be a money-maker once B6 becomes more popular, but as of now it's not doing too great.

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User currently offlineNiagaraFlyer From Canada, joined May 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 14):
Right, they have 8X total with 7 of them 320.

I thought they switched the 190 flight back to a 320, their site is listing all 8 flights as 320's right now. And from being on many B6 BUF flights I can tell you they are always busy.

-Johnathan


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

The 8th flight has been switched to an A320 for the summer. The 4th BTV has been switched to an A320 as well, though IMO that was a bad decision.

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Reply 3):
We also have one spare in FLL. Its always parked in the Remote spot next to Spirit.

Oooops, forgot about that one! I knew I was missing something! Thanks for clearing the cobwebs out of head!

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 11):
I highly doubt MSP, though I think B6 would do very well there.

Good point. I agree.

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 14):
I am flying this route probably in July so I will see if it is right.

Let us know how it goes!



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 14):
Well I disagree, because in WMUPilot's trip report he was an FA for some RIC routes and he said the loads were very poor in the beginning but he checked the system and looks like the summer flights have high bookings and they may add 320's into the market

Very poor in the beginning, full enough to upgrade to 320's...I think not. The loads are still just 'o.k.' A320's arent going near RIC for quite sometime. PWM is the one that looks to be making the best improvement. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep an A320 on one of the flights.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 13):
Unfortunately, this is not true. The station manager basically had to say that in order to get the local population more excited about B6. However, in reality, the RIC flights have been performing poorly both load- and yield-wise

JetBluefan1 is right on the money.

[Edited 2006-06-22 20:28:20]

User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Can someone tell me how the upcoming CLT and RDU flights are looking thus far? Please, please, puuuurty please?


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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Richmond has received a $975,000 small airport grant that they are using to promote both AirTran and Jetblue. I believe some of the money will also be used to reduce landing/gate fees similar to what is being done in SYR. Part of the deal for the n/s MCO and extra JFK flt was an 18 month subsidy on these expenses. B6 probably lost money the first few months at Richmond due to poor loads and start up costs, but I see that station being in the black for 2006 when the subsidies are added in.

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
Can someone tell me how the upcoming CLT and RDU flights are looking thus far? Please, please, puuuurty please?

I don't work for B6 or have actual data, but it looks like the bookings are doing very well. JFK-CLT will be a steep $94 o/w, which will provide excellent yields for B6. However, the bookings seem very strong on this route. JFK-RDU is also booking up very well even though it still starts a month from now. That route starts at $84 o/w (why's CLT cheaper?), which is also a good price for B6 to make money on.

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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 23):
(why's CLT cheaper?)

Probably because of US, and their presence in both CLT and NYC.


25 ERJ170 : it's not. RDU-JFK is $84 CLT-JFK is $94 CLT is more expensive..
26 Post contains links and images Mikephotos : They're all stored in boxes at the JFK Hangar. The night before, employees are called in for OT and given air pumps. Here's a shot of one ready for s
27 ScottB : If you neither work for the company nor have actual data, how exactly is it that the bookings would look like they are doing wery well?! Did David Ne
28 JetBluefan1 : Woops. I meant to say RDU is cheaper. My bad. You basically have to look at the fares for future bookings. If a fare is past the base fare ($84 - RDU
29 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Oh that's even better! My dad used to fly that route a lot for business and said it was always full. Well my cousin flies BTV-JFK-ROC a lot to go hom
30 Steeler83 : Any thoughts on how CLT service will do compared with that of PIT?
31 Mir : Why wouldn't they go to MSP? NW has a virtual monopoly on NYC-MSP flights, and B6's product is far superior to NWs. Granted, NW has the frequent flie
32 JetBluefan1 : One word: NW. NW has been known to be quite the protector of its turf when it comes to those who encroach on its territory (ie: F9 LAX-MSP and DH IAD
33 GoBlue : JetBluefan1, Is B6 able to connect long beach with denver, phoenix, seattle and portland, also there is sacramento and oakland. I am at a loss as to w
34 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : B6 only has 30 slots at LGB to use and they are all in use. They decreased JFK flights but added those to the SMF flights and they increased BOS and
35 RJpieces : Just 1 at JFK? Perhaps 1 dedicated spare but if a B6 plane were to have MX troubles, JFK would be the best place to have it at... I've always wondere
36 Bigdrewfl : Well it sits around all day till 1hr prior to the OAK flight leaving, Then it comes back at around 8am and sit again till 6:15pm or so. If we have a
37 JetBluefan1 : Last I heard, B6 is supposed to get a second and third gate. I think the chances are good considering that B6 is showing to be the only real interest
38 CentPIT : I think CLT is going to do very well, maybe even better than PIT! I do think B6 will be profitable in both cities however. B6 in my opinion is going
39 RJpieces : I've heard that as well. It seems like they struck a gold mine there....Hopefully they will get more gates soon and turn it into a nice focus city. I
40 FWAERJ : Yes, NW still likes protecting its turf at all costs despite Ch. 11... chances are that they wouldn't have started IND-SFO if FL didn't start beforeh
41 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : They have A8 and A9 and they still have room to grow and possibly some more later on. They already have 2 Gates so your mean 3rd and 4th probably. B6
42 Post contains images Steeler83 : I hope that US is up to the supreme competition then!!!
43 Post contains images EmSeeEye : NW has the ability to add capacity as it feels it needs to. If B6 opens up MSP they would dump so many empty seats on any route they feel threatend o
44 JetMARC : NW doesnt mess around - look what they did to F9 when they tried to open up LAX-MSP... not only did they compete on that route, NW went ahead and turn
45 Richierich : While I am not disagreeing with you, I would also argue that this was a very stupid move by NW and probably explains why they are in the situation th
46 B6JFKH81 : Well, let me clarify. Normally, we will have 1 dedicated spare A320 at each "hub" (JFK, LGB, FLL). Then, you also have spare a/c for portions of the
47 Post contains images CentPIT : Knowing US, they will drop the route, claiming there wasn't enough traffic or something. PIT is nothing to US anymore, quite sad.
48 Post contains images Steeler83 : US is still quite committed to serving PIT though. It was bad airport management that essentially caused US to close up shop regarding the hub, as we
49 JetBlueAUS : I think that intime JetBlue will become larger and provide solid service in the west coast. When I state this, I mean, they will have routes that do
50 MalpensaSFO : St. Maarten St. Thomas St. Louis[Edited 2006-06-25 01:59:22]
51 Steeler83 : Just out of Curiosity, what are YOUR thoughts of B6 in PIT? Do you think that will be successful like CentPIT and myself think? I may have asked that
52 Luvfa : If Jetblue was going to compete with Southwest BUR-LAS in the early evening is the perfect route. Our flights run every hour and are always full. Ther
53 JetBlueAUS : I think that B6 will do significantly well! It seems that the first two flights on June 30, 2006 are sold out, and US Airways fares seem pretty high.
54 MalpensaSFO : NWA does not have the money (bakruptcy), they cannot afford to cump capacity on routes that do not warrant capacity dumping. In addition B6 entering
55 JetBlueAUS : I did some researach on LGB, and I found out that there were some major restrictions. Infact, they were restrictions I wasn't aware of. It seems like
56 Steeler83 : Great news!!!! I wonder if they'll add additional cities eventually as well as more frequencies... It's healthy for ALL sectors of the economy IMO...
57 Post contains images B6FA4ever : also don't forget...if memory serves me right...the slots that AA had when they pulled out are still up for grabs and i believe its between AS and B6
58 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : Always a possibility. Can't wait to see JetBlue's outcome at PIT. Yep! I was afraid you thought I had made a mistake saying that B6 used all the 41 d
59 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : SEA, then PHX..
60 Steeler83 : It would not surprise me if they decided to add more flights to JFK, BOS, or both within a few months of start-up this Friday. WN added two flights t
61 KITH : SYR seems to do very well, at least everytime I am on it it has 95-100% LF, but then again that may be because it is on a FRI afternoon/Mon AM. Anyone
62 BatonOps : MDT would be a great addition to B6's system. It would be great to see the E190.
63 Post contains images Steeler83 : Like you stated in one of the other MDT threads   Welcome to my R.U. list, and here's to better days ahead for MDT   And, I also see that you've ad
64 Post contains links Laxintl : SWA has had good growth in BUR over the years, becoming the largest carrier with 64% of all passengers thru the airport in 2005. I hate to say it, ho
65 Bobnwa : I thought we had already determined that this was not true, that as a matter of fact other carriers were lowering Business class fares much more than
66 Steeler83 : Offering very low fares isn't always economical. While that may fill the planes, the fares may be too low that the barely offset the costs, if at all
67 CentPIT : I am headed to RDU on June 30th, I depart PIT at 11:15, so I am going to head up to the airport pretty early and catch some B6 action!!! I don't see
68 Post contains images Werdywerd : Anyone want to have a PIT meet? I will be there for the opening.
69 Bobnwa : I was trying to make the point that NWA was NOT lowering all business fares in all Asia markets as claimed by Malpensasfo. He came up with one market
70 Bobnwa : I was trying to make the point that NWA was NOT lowering all business fares in all Asia markets as claimed by Malpensasfo. He came up with one market
71 Steeler83 : Gocha I wish I could make it. I'll have to really pay attention to the news that day. In the afternoon, I might head up to MDT to meet some fellow ce
72 MalpensaSFO : It is true, and Northwest Airlines has lowered fares to Asia to fill planes, not to run profit. Northwest Airlines profits (or what you make of them)
73 Post contains images CentPIT : I can Def. make it, I will be at the airport around 9:15 AM or so! Let me know, I am going either way. What time are you getting into PIT? I only liv
74 JetBluefan1 : Keep in mind that these flights are commencing on the Friday of a very busy travel weekend: Independence Day. While I'm not saying that there is not
75 Werdywerd : Im getting into PIT a couple of days before the opening. Most likely wednesday. I have to help set up for the big opening day. Send me a private mess
76 PITrules : I disagee. PIT is a pretty well managed airport. US left PIT because the city declined to a point where it can no longer support the kind of hub they
77 Bobnwa : The business consolidator fare on NW is 3112 while the next lowest is 3320 on AC. The lowest business consolidator fare LAX-NRT is Air China and UA a
78 CentPIT : As far as I know it is an E90 market, or do you mean there is a rumor for it to be switched over? I have to agree, B6 and WN need to look closely. Wh
79 PITrules : Yes, it is rumored that the 320 will take over from the 190 before too long. We'll see...
80 Cltguy : While we are on the topic of B6 and CLT...the Charlotte City Council tonight will vote to approve a contract with JetBlue to use Gate D6. They will pa
81 Steeler83 : So the airport authority kept kissing butt to a very feeble, poorly managed airline back in the '90s and into the early 2000s. USPIT10L told me other
82 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : Consolidated sources are confidential, the source cannot be leaked, it looks as if your "quote" "unquote" information is from another consolidator. O
83 Post contains images N670UW : Great idea. I'm leaving for RSW the day before, though.
84 Bobnwa : I am very familiar with the NWA consolidator contracts. You are not! Do you still maintain that NWA is dumping business fares in all Asia markets? I
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