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DL To Increase YEG-SLC.  
User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

Sounds like DL partner Skywest will be bumping up the YEG-SLC route to 3 daily flights up from 2.The flights are flown by skywest CRJ-100s.The increase is supposed to happen in November,no firm dates showing in the skeds yet though.The current 2 daily seem to be running full in both directions.Anyone from DL here that can enlighten us???


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Interesting move - part of the increased demand could be that CO pulled its daily IAH-YEG 735 service and those pax are now flying DL via SLC to reach many US destinations.

I was very surprised when CO pulled this route - due to the terrible timing of the flights, CO more or less brought it on themselves.


User currently offlineGoBlue From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Is Air Canada not starting this route with the Embraers, or CRJ's? I thought that Edmonton was ripe for expansion to the US, as stated by Air Canada i beleive a few months ago?

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

DL would likewise be smart to upgrade SLC-YYC to 738 mainline service for 2 of the four flights. More than likely there is a mainline a/c shortage is why they don't do this and perhaps add more 738 or MD-90 to their trans-border western Canada service to their SLC hub. One thing DL and SkyWest should look at doing is cutting back some frequency of CRJ service to northwestern Montana where they have 4-6 flights per day from SLC to GTF and FCA (GPI), and putting a couple of CRJ flights into Lethbridge (YQL). Many of the PAX going into GTF and FCA (GPI) are from SW Alberta.  twocents 


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

Quoting GoBlue (Reply 2):
Is Air Canada not starting this route with the Embraers, or CRJ's? I thought that Edmonton was ripe for expansion to the US, as stated by Air Canada I believe a few months ago?

DL has AC aced out (no pun intended!) in trans-border service to the western US to/from SLC.



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Does anyone have any idea how DL's new service to YYJ is doing? I presume they are using this service to feed their flights to other destinations in the US. I could not imagine YYJ-SLC having enough O&D traffic to sustain service.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 5):
Does anyone have any idea how DL's new service to YYJ is doing? I presume they are using this service to feed their flights to other destinations in the US. I could not imagine YYJ-SLC having enough O&D traffic to sustain service.

Sometime go and look at the daily seating charts for what has filled up at Delta.com. From what I've observed they are running about two third to three quarters full which is profitable for a CRJ-100 route. The only entity hurt by this is BC Ferry's not making any money from people from the island trying to get to YVR to catch a flight.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

SLCUT2777

ahhh yes, the MTC in Provo certainly gets a lot of its "recruits" from Southern Alberta (...and I'm not even a "member"!!).  duck  LOL!

Actually, DL might still have landing rights in YQL (Lethbridge).

Western Airlines had the route when range was an issue. Lethbridge was the geographically closest airport from Great Falls, and Air Canada actually used Lethbridge as its hub when they started tran-continental service for the same range reason. I don't believe the landing rights were ever taken away, although I could be wrong.

YQL is going to be getting charter routes to Mexico this winter, I do believe Air Transat or Skyservice is doing the runs.



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User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Thread starter):
The flights are flown by skywest CRJ-100s.

Per DLNet schedule dept....Skywest has 56 CRJ200 A/C.and zero CRJ100
All the DCI carriers are the same way - CRJ200s

I'm not familiar with the CRJ100 but somebody will clue me in on what it is.

KD MLB


User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Comair operates CRJ100's. The 100's and 200's are nearly identical with the execption of engine ratings.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
ahhh yes, the MTC in Provo certainly gets a lot of its "recruits" from Southern Alberta (...and I'm not even a "member"!!). LOL!

Actually service to PVU (Provo, UT--home of Brigham Young University and the LDS-MTC) from several hubs like DEN, LAX, SFO, PHX, LAS and SEA has been discussed by UA/Express, AE, DC/SkyWest and Horizon amoungst others.

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
Actually, DL might still have landing rights in YQL (Lethbridge).
Western Airlines had the route when range was an issue. Lethbridge was the geographically closest airport from Great Falls, and Air Canada actually used Lethbridge as its hub when they started tran-continental service for the same range reason. I don't believe the landing rights were ever taken away, although I could be wrong.

YQL would be the third Alberta city to get DC/SkyWest flights into SLC, and DL inherited any landing rights previously held by Western Airlines when they were merged back in 1987. The religious demography you described above is a huge factor why this can and will work. Probably the cost has been the big issue since trans-border service typically adds about 30% to fare pricing, hence the reason why GTF and FCA are loaded with flights from DC/SkyWest for their size into SLC since they are only 2-3 hours away from places like Cardston, Magrath, Raymond as well as Lethbridge.

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
YQL is going to be getting charter routes to Mexico this winter, I do believe Air Transat or Skyservice is doing the runs.

I beleive it will be SkyService from SunQuest or Signature Vacations that will be doing runs to Los Cabos (SJD) and Puerto Vallarta (PVR). The resorts there will be the lucky all-inclusives that many a western Canuck can go and warm up at during the winter. DL has daily flights there from SLC during the winter as well. The Mormons are the only sober ones at night down there!            

[Edited 2006-06-22 07:30:50]


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Thread starter):
Sounds like DL partner Skywest will be bumping up the YEG-SLC route to 3 daily flights up from 2.

Any other Canadian cities either DL or AC could have regular scheduled SLC service between the two?



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

SLCUT2777

Hmmm, Sounds like you know Southern Alberta VERY WELL...

A couple of my closest friends went thru MTC, so hence some basic knowledge on that...

re: Mexico charters.

Skyservice makes sense. I was re-tiling the YQL check-in area, and had a discussion with the AC Jazz staff there. I am a little worried about how the single gate will be able to accomodate 100 people, I do believe seating in that area is around 60. Also, with the new security system for baggage (traveller has to take luggage thru the Xray themselves) I don't see boarding times to be too efficient. Another headache will be the lack of a jetway into the aircraft. In YQL's case, I believe "if you build it, they will come...". I am sure that YEG may still have some used ones after their expansion....hmmm.....



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 12):
Skyservice makes sense.
They are configured in a single class as I recall, a "cattle-carrier" to warmer environs during the cold Canadian winters! LOL! Yes I have a few good friends in SW Alberta. My fiancee is from there and Calgary originally.
I'm curious as to what a/c they will use from YQL, a Boeing 752 with the RR engines or an Airbus A320.

[Edited 2006-06-22 19:12:07]


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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

SLCUT777

Talking to a fellow employee who has used Skyservice, he agrees with the "cattle-carrier" moniker.

It will be interesting to have jet service back at YQL. Although it won't be daily, it's been quite a while since we've had jet service...


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Imagine taking this pocket rocket (and it sure sounded like one) from YQL to YYC. The flight was an extension of the YEG-YYC service, and was just 5 minutes shorter in stage length than using a Dash 8! I don't think loads were higher than 50%....By that time Air BC was flying as many flights as Time Air was a day.
I miss Time Air's monopoly on Lethbridge (it's homebase)... At one time I beleive they were up to 12+ flights a day, and you could fly to the coast, rather than having to go to the YYC hub....

...oh those were the days...



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 14):
Talking to a fellow employee who has used Skyservice, he agrees with the "cattle-carrier" moniker.

Cabo San Lucas (SJD) and Puerto Vallarta (PVR), Mexico are considerably closer than say to the Dominican Republic, where I have had some friends go (A very long "trans-con" type flight from YYC/YQR-POP). SJD is only a 2.75 hour flight from SLC, so figure 5 hours maximum to get down to the south end of the Baja (I actually drove that once when I was a "crazy" younger man living in Riverside, CA!) from YQL.
If DC/SkyWest can justify YYJ as a second BC airport for service to SLC, then I think that there is ample justification to add YQL to the mix, particularly when so much of the loads on CRJ's to GTF and FCA (GPI) are SW Alberta in origin. The religious demography you're obviously familiar with makes this an O&D flight by and large between YQL & SLC, since so many folks there have a Wasatch Front relative to visit and what not. The oil and gas exploration and equipment business clearly justifies expanded service from SLC to YEG.
Beyond that I could perhaps see AC adding service to YUL from SLC since there are a few more connecting options to Europe that they can compete with DL going through JFK on (CDG being a big one). I do see DC/SkyWest though looking at one of the two Saskatchewan cities (YQR or YXE) to SLC as well so they don't have to back-track on NW through MSP.

[Edited 2006-06-22 20:14:00]


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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

To have YQL to SLC service would certainly alleviate the necessity to fly or drive to YYC to go anywhere south.
My earliest recollection of flying was on a Time Air Twin Otter to YYC from YQL, and then hopping on Hughes Airwest to fly south. To say YQL is somewhat underserved is an understatement.....



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 16):
To have YQL to SLC service would certainly alleviate the necessity to fly or drive to YYC to go anywhere south.
My earliest recollection of flying was on a Time Air Twin Otter to YYC from YQL, and then hopping on Hughes Airwest to fly south. To say YQL is somewhat underserved is an understatement.....

I'm told it is pretty much a two hour drive from Lethbridge or the other communities mentioned to get up to YYC. It is 2-3 hours driving south to get to Great Falls or Kalispell, and during the winter, this can present the usual road hazards as well as waiting in line at the border crossing stations. YQLs proximity to the US border as well as the Montana cities mentioned, is what has made it under-served. It clearly needs a couple of trans-border flights to SLC since dealing with the US is a big part of their daily business.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2691 times:

Actually, by the time you negotiate through Calgary (now OFFICIALLY over 1 million), it can take anywhere from 2.5 to 2 3/4 hours to get to the airport. In good weather (and a no-hastle border crossing), direct to Great Falls International Airport still is around 3 hours.

I wonder if DL has done any homework into how many people south of Calgary fly from YYC?



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 18):
Actually, by the time you negotiate through Calgary (now OFFICIALLY over 1 million), it can take anywhere from 2.5 to 2 3/4 hours to get to the airport. In good weather (and a no-hastle border crossing), direct to Great Falls International Airport still is around 3 hours.
I wonder if DL has done any homework into how many people south of Calgary fly from YYC?

I'm told they are looking into it for this and some other Canadian routes to serve from SLC. The big issue is costs for trans-border flying as I eluded to in my first posting on this. Sometime look at the cost of a SLC ticket from YYC and compare one to GTF and look at the fees and taxes. YYC will have about 3-4 times the taxes and fees.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2666 times:

gotta love (formerly) living in a city -YQL- too close to a major airport -YYC- (now)


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2654 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 18):
Actually, by the time you negotiate through Calgary (now OFFICIALLY over 1 million), it can take anywhere from 2.5 to 2 3/4 hours to get to the airport.

Many people along the Wasatch Front (metro Salt Lake City, now close to 2 million) are starting to think the same way. The south end in Utah Valley (Provo) would like air service and as I also eluded to earlier it has been explored to start service at PVU, but to many people like the flight selection SLC offers being a major DL hub. Provo typically now is over an hour from SLC. When DIA was planned a few years back, Colorado Springs split away and got COS going and many say Utah County should get PVU going like their Front Range counterparts did two decades ago. Lethbridge and YQL is even further away from Calgary & YYC.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2642 times:

I think it is time for YQL city officials to start promoting such an idea. With Time Air/Canadi>n Regional long gone, and Integra Air too small to be able to take on such a role, it might be time to think outside the box.

Previously, I have done work for Westjet (Pax Safety Card design 1999-2005), and it was mentioned an East/West route going from Winnipeg or Regina out to the coast was in the works. With the closer proximity (and convenience) of Lethbridge to both sides of the provincial border, and into both BC and SK.... Lethbridges trading area is far greater than a lot of people realize.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 22):
With the closer proximity (and convenience) of Lethbridge to both sides of the provincial border, and into both BC and SK.... Lethbridge's trading area is far greater than a lot of people realize.

This area goes from roughly the Trail/Castelgar/Nelson area in BC over to the Moose Jaw area of SK. One thing people need to keep in mind is that 75-80% of Canada's population is within 1-2 hours of driving time to the US border. Calgary and Edmonton are the most removed large cities in Canada that are the greatest distance from the border with the United States.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

SLC...you said you are marrying a girl from Southern Alberta...with all the info you have of it... did you ever live up here?


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25 SLCUT2777 : Visited a number of times, and whats more she actually lived here in SLC for nearly 9 years (1991-2000), and she now lives out in Nanaimo on Vancouve
26 Rikkus67 : wow..now THAT is quite an LDR! When's the happy event?
27 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : As soon as the fiancee visa is approved by DHS, which could be awhile.    She actually did part of her nursing school up in Edmonton, and points ou
28 Wolsingerjet : I wonder if this could end being like the HP service to YEG that started off with CRJs then moved to mainline with 733s,319s,and the odd 320???This al
29 DFORCE1 : Thanks for the tip. It's very useful. Actually Horizon Air is hurt by this service because now people can use SLC as a hub for destinations to the US
30 SLCUT2777 : Frankly I think DL needs to upgrade SLC service to/from YVR with 738 and 752 a/c. But I think a shortage of mainline a/c is preventing this since the
31 Wolsingerjet : I think with the amount of growth both major alberta airports are making (YYC & YEG) we will see alot of changes in airlines approach to the market.YY
32 SLCUT2777 : Hence the reason for why secondary airports such as YQL will likely finally see some long awaited regularly scheduled trans-border service. The high
33 Rikkus67 : Surprisingly enough.... Although the renovations and expansion is barely finished at YYC, there is already a push to add yet another wing to the airpo
34 Wolsingerjet : Edmonton was offically over a million as of JAN 1/05 aswell so why keep quoting calgary as ''offically'' over a mil?Both cities are are neck and neck
35 GQfluffy : Why? OO has literally cut in half the # of flights in Montana to and from SLC. And most of the flights I know of are at least 85% full....
36 Rikkus67 : Wolsingerjet Edmonton ...or Edmonton AND surrounding cities of Sherwood Park, St Albert, etc. Edmonton PROPER is under a million, but getting there. R
37 Wolsingerjet : Nope wasnt trying to start another battle of alberta as you can be assured I am a Calgarian (now living in edmonton).Infact it was really hard cheerin
38 SLCUT2777 : Mostly Butte, Helena and Billings have been trimmed, but Lethbridge & SW Alberta keeps the need high for service to Kalispell, Great Falls, and to so
39 OOer : Actually, DL pulled all their mainline equipment out of Montana due to their shortage, and because there were too many seats in those markets. BTM wa
40 GQfluffy : Um...yeah. DL hasn't been in Montana for several years now. I knew all of this. OO has cut back quite a bit since I've worked in the airline idustry
41 OOer : Wrong! DL flew their own metal into BZN daily from SLC until the end of 2005!! Nope, there is no Delta metal in Montana, DL pulled their daily SLC se
42 Post contains links and images GQfluffy : Huh, guess I didn't know DL only flew into BZN a couple of days a week now. My bad... http://www.gallatinfield.com/flightschedules.asp Yeah...I said t
43 Post contains links SLCUT2777 : Take it up with these folks: http://www.lethbridgecountyairport.com/htm/airport.htm
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