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Qantas Interested In 748 Dixon Says  
User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12475 times:

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Geoff Dixon, chief executive of Qantas Airways, recently had dinner with Boeing commercial airplanes boss Alan Mulally.

No word on who picked up the check, but it was likely Mulally, given that Qantas has ordered as many as 115 787 Dreamliners.

Mulally is hoping to sell his friend another Boeing jet, the 747-8. "We are interested, there is no doubt about that," Dixon said of the passenger version of 747-8.

Dixon said Qantas would likely buy either more A380s or the 747-8, but not both planes.

Dixon said Boeing has told Qantas that the 747-8 should be able to fly non-stop from Sydney to Dallas with a full load of passengers.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/274668_air21.html

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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12406 times:

And the boys in Hamburg sit back and scratch their heads thinking "Damn what a mess we got ourself into".. Anyone else see the mess in the French congress yesterday?

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6875 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

And so the weeklong atomic wedgie for Airbus continues.

Day-um!


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

Hmmm, I wonder if Boeing is dangling a very big carrot??  scratchchin 

User currently offlineHrhf1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 105 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12328 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 3):
Hmmm, I wonder if Boeing is dangling a very big carrot?? scratchchin

Yes, the carrot of having a plane delivered on time. :-P


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12295 times:

Quoting Hrhf1 (Reply 4):
Yes, the carrot of having a plane delivered on time. :-P

Or one on the assembly line...

Anyone in the market for ex-VARIG 777-200, 767-300, or MD-11 aircraft?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12108 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 3):
Hmmm, I wonder if Boeing is dangling a very big carrot??

Oh you bet they are..!! .....and I'm sure it gets sweeter if Qantas cancels their A380 order and goes all 747-8.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineIADBGO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12010 times:

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Oh you bet they are..!! .....and I'm sure it gets sweeter if Qantas cancels their A380 order and goes all 747-8.

I'm sure that would sweeten the deal but I wouldn't count on Qantas canceling. They will milk the delay for all it is worth, big bucks, then put that money toward some 748i frames.

IADBGO


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12010 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Thread starter):
Dixon said Qantas would likely buy either more A380s or the 747-8, but not both planes.

Doubt they would committee to any future Airbus orders until they see a A380 in QF colors at SYD. With the delays and QF seeking compensation I bet they are not looking to hand Airbus anymore money for time being.

Quoting Hrhf1 (Reply 4):
Yes, the carrot of having a plane delivered on time.

Lets all hope... A380 is a completely new a/c but i would imagine Airbus still has some explaining to do to QF, SQ, and EK for now for the newest round of delays. For time being though I'm sure the 748 looks good to QF if Boeing can delivery on their word and time frame.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

Oh, this may be worse than I thought (for Airbus). I smell a cancelled A380 order and a BIG 748 order. Qantas has always been a 747 cheerleader anyway, and they're very familiar with the type.


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5718 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11840 times:

Quoting IADBGO (Reply 7):
I'm sure that would sweeten the deal but I wouldn't count on Qantas canceling. They will milk the delay for all it is worth, big bucks,

That you can count on!

Quoting IADBGO (Reply 7):
then put that money toward some 748i frames

I would not bet on that!

Quoting BoomBoom (Thread starter):
Dixon said Qantas would likely buy either more A380s or the 747-8, but not both planes.

This is the IMPORTANT bit of the article! This is TOTALLY consistant with QF history and practice.

As to which? Nobody yet has enough information to make the call yet, not even QF. The A380 will have greater capacity, has promisted certain performance and will be available at a given date which is closer than the B748Is. The B748I will have less capacity, has promised certain performance and is currently available after the A380.

Which will QF choose. Nobody knows, but dont write off the A380, QF sorely needs that capacity, the B748i could also face program delays and the A380 is well into flight testing. Don't expect a decision until after the currently predicted A380 EIS.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11807 times:

Quoting IADBGO (Reply 7):
I'm sure that would sweeten the deal but I wouldn't count on Qantas canceling. They will milk the delay for all it is worth, big bucks, then put that money toward some 748i frames.

Boeing isn't stuiped. It won't be an open ended deal. "We'll give you 30 days to think it over...other wise you pay retail"



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

1) There is nothing to indicate that the 748i will be delayed. It's derivative, it won't be late.

2) Qantas and the 747 is an "old time love story".

3) 748 will require very little new training for flight or ground crews, i.e., lower cost of ownership.

4) They'd only have to buy a few more 748's to make up for lost A380 capacity.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5718 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11752 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 8):
Doubt they would committee to any future Airbus orders until they see a A380 in QF colors at SYD. With the delays and QF seeking compensation I bet they are not looking to hand Airbus anymore money for time being.

This is undoubtly true! (probabley 4 or 5 actually on the tarmac at SYD, in fact). But I don't think they will be ordering any B748s until then either, unless something unforseen happens.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11752 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 9):
Oh, this may be worse than I thought (for Airbus). I smell a cancelled A380 order

Doubt that... Dixon is no dummy and will make Airbus pay for their consistent delays in the program and delivery of his a/c.

QF is a big 747 cheerleader like others have said and this is the 2nd or 3rd article in the past 2-3 months were we have seen Dixon publicly state his desire and intrest in the 748 and the program. Only time will tell if he is serious.



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11716 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 13):
But I don't think they will be ordering any B748s until then either, unless something unforseen happens.

When is the 748 slated to hit the production line and is QF seriously looking to fly the SYD-DFW route within the next 2-4yrs? That is what I would ask myself to see if Dixon is serious or just nibbling on the Boeing carrot to taste and see if he likes it.



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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11602 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Thread starter):
Dixon said Qantas would likely buy either more A380s or the 747-8, but not both planes

I think this reference is not for the future but now.
In other words, we are either going to cancel 380's and order 748 or stick with 380. Probably just setting the scene for some tough talking with Airbus.

However QF needs the 380 size for sure.

I would not see any problem with QF operating both types long term. After all that's what they planned to do until all 380's arrived, or is this an indication that 773ER are going to replace 747.

Ruscoe


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11506 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 5):
Anyone in the market for ex-VARIG 777-200, 767-300, or MD-11 aircraft?

Given the general shortage of widebodies at the moment, i would suspect these would be snapped us immediately...


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11506 times:

I don't no but with boeing thinking about lengthening the 747-8i to about +/- 475 pax. It brings it closer to the seating capacity of the A380. I wouldnt put it past Quantas if they switched to the 747-8i exclusively. Just my .02.

Desmond
Wilmington, NC, USA



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11384 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 18):
I wouldnt put it past Quantas if they switched to the 747-8i exclusively.

Digs ERAUgrad02 a grave.

[Edited 2006-06-22 04:21:41]


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11151 times:

Quoting IADBGO (Reply 7):
I'm sure that would sweeten the deal but I wouldn't count on Qantas canceling. They will milk the delay for all it is worth, big bucks, then put that money toward some 748i frames.

I'm sure Boeing has tossed out there a to die for deal on 748i, including giving QF some 744's to use in the mean time to compensate for capacity until the 748's get there in exchange for a good order and the A380 cancellation.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11053 times:

EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted Thu Jun 22 2006 03:12:36 UTC+2 and read 982 times:


Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 3):
Hmmm, I wonder if Boeing is dangling a very big carrot??

Oh you bet they are..!! .....and I'm sure it gets sweeter if Qantas cancels their A380 order and goes all 747-8.


You can count on that happening if another delay is announced from AIRBUS.....

EK413



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User currently offlineCO738 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10930 times:

To some it up its one big game of Texas Hold'em and the pot is at $6 billion or so dollars wih a number of pink slips for a/c on the table it is only a matter of time before someone has the better hand


If only you could install an air horn on a plane...
User currently offlineQantasA380 From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 212 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10867 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 12):
1) There is nothing to indicate that the 748i will be delayed. It's derivative, it won't be late.

It's a derivative that's also a new aircraft - look at the B748 wing and the issues that came out of the A380 wing, just for starters.

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 12):
4) They'd only have to buy a few more 748's to make up for lost A380 capacity.

But then they'd have to fly smaller aircraft more often, and park more aircraft at airports (eg SYD and MEL) that are already operating at their capacity limits. Qantas (and most airlines I would've thought) cannot afford to operate smaller aircraft on a higher number of services given cost of fuel, congestion and a stack of other factors.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 16):
However QF needs the 380 size for sure.

How true... Qantas and the Australian airline industry have done too much work with the A380 until now to back away over something like this - the airports have built new boarding gates specifically designed for the A380, Qantas will have planned them into the network, etc. It would be so much easier for Qantas to delay part of their network plan than reconfigure the whole thing from the ground up around a whole different aircraft type.

Apart from which, Airbus will do anything they can to keep QF, SQ and EK, along with all the other A380 customers, happy - short-term lease aircraft, partial refunds, early delivery on new orders, the works... because the current orders and the potential for future orders are worth so much to them...

I wouldn't even be surprised if Airbus were to offer further enhanced versions over the A340-500X and A340-600HGW to QF and SQ to hold them - they know that Qantas' B777/equivalent evaluation is still open.



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User currently offlineQantasA380 From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 212 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10843 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 12):
1) There is nothing to indicate that the 748i will be delayed. It's derivative, it won't be late.

It's a derivative that's also a new aircraft - look at the B748 wing and the issues that came out of the A380 wing, just for starters.

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 12):
4) They'd only have to buy a few more 748's to make up for lost A380 capacity.

But then they'd have to fly smaller aircraft more often, and park more aircraft at airports (eg SYD and MEL) that are already operating at their capacity limits. Qantas (and most airlines I would've thought) cannot afford to operate smaller aircraft on a higher number of services given cost of fuel, congestion and a stack of other factors.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 16):
However QF needs the 380 size for sure.

How true... Qantas and the Australian airline industry have done too much work with the A380 until now to back away over something like this - the airports have built new boarding gates specifically designed for the A380, Qantas will have planned them into the network, etc. It would be so much easier for Qantas to delay part of their network plan than reconfigure the whole thing from the ground up around a whole different aircraft type.

Apart from which, Airbus will do anything they can to keep QF, SQ and EK, along with all the other A380 customers, happy - short-term lease aircraft, partial refunds, early delivery on new orders, the works... because the current orders and the potential for future orders are worth so much to them...

I wouldn't even be surprised if Airbus were to offer further enhanced versions over the A340-500X and A340-600HGW to QF and SQ to hold them - they know that Qantas' B777/equivalent evaluation is still open.



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25 SunriseValley : My prediction is that QF will squeeze AirBus as hard as they can and that they will NOT exercise their options. The A380 at 289t OEW will haul 480 pas
26 Ikramerica : As a derivative, if QF were to say: can you get us a 748i by Q2 2009, do you think it is doable? Can Boeing fast track the 748i since the 748F has don
27 Coa747 : People seem to be forgetting the decedas of experience of buidling the 747 that Boeing has under its belt. The A380 is Airbus first 747 sized aircraft
28 Adam727 : Would it just be easier and cheaper in the long run to go with the new 748? Like you all have said QF is familiar with the 747 and Training won't be a
29 Post contains links and images Longhaulheavy : It's only logical for QF to go with Boeing. After all, they keep most of their planes at LAX. View Large View MediumPhoto © Danny Fritsche - Airp
30 Columba : And what would they have from that: They would have bought more aircraft than they actually intendened and instead of using one A380 a day they would
31 StealthZ : Valid point but quite meaningless if the manufacturer of this wonderously more efficient(still to be proven in practice) larger aircraft cannot deliv
32 Zvezda : No. I understand they are looking at Q1 2010 now for EIS. If were running an airline with WhaleJets on order, the question most on my mind would be t
33 Ikramerica : I wonder if Boeing's choice to go forward with the 748 last November was due to the looming major delays in the A380 and quiet requests by customers
34 StealthZ : Maybe I could add Boeing to my "conspiracy" theory, perhaps the most work they had done on the 748 prior to launch was write the Press release. I am
35 Oroka : Airbus will have to make some sweet sweet compensation for QF appear if they want Qantas to get their A380s, which I completely expect them to do. Qan
36 EbbUK : Just agree with everyone my friend. the a380 was mismanaged, was made with tax payers money, should never have been built, QF should never have agree
37 EbbUK : Just read the brilliant thread started by Leskova which shows that Clark is confident with the 380. I think this is the time for Dixon to cancel QFs
38 Post contains images Aeroplan73 : I vote that Airbus moves it's entire operation to Canada, and merges with Bombardier.
39 Post contains links ANstar : Dixon is still committed to the A380 in this news article. (which has more direct quotes from Dixon himself) http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...mb
40 Q330 : The 748 is still somewhat smaller than the A380, and the two could complement each other in the Qantas fleet. If the 380 proves successful on QF's hig
41 Dutchjet : Qantas is bitching and moaning, and rightly so, but in the end they will take delivery of the A380s that they have ordered- they are one of the few ca
42 MrComet : What is clear is tha that Boeing kind of screwed up by waiting as long as they did on the 748. They could have launched awhile back and then pushed GE
43 Dutchjet : But who knew that Airbus would run into these issues with the A380?
44 Post contains links SunriseValley : In a posting to the Orders chat site, it is reported that LH are saying that the fuel burn is 3.2L/passenger/100km instead of the expected 2.9L/passe
45 StealthZ : That is 10%, I am not sure how that stacks up with other new types on EIS but in my business, that is not missing the target.. that is someone just p
46 Brendows : But did LH come to this number by using ~500 seats, or with Airbus standard seating (555 seat)?
47 DeltaDC9 : With the 50% production increase of the 747 line announced recently, they could throw a few 744s at them. Its just not that many seats different, and
48 Post contains images Columba : They were -400Fs
49 SunriseValley : It doesn't matter, what it says if correct is that the fuel burn per unit of payload is 10% higher than planned. Part of this will be attributable to
50 11Bravo : Probably because it goes in the unsubstantiated rumor category. I have a hard time believing Airbus would miss the fuel burn by 10%. If that were the
51 DeltaDC9 : Yes, typo, I knew that because of the additional 744 slots I have been talking about. And I believe they are 744ERF's too. Agreed, but that is a pret
52 Post contains images Brendows : This figure has come up here on A.net before, several times, but it's a while since the last time now. Very true, I just misunderstood it at first
53 11Bravo : The specificity of a rumor doesn't necessarily make it more credible. Like I said, IF this is true, it would be an absolute disaster for Airbus. It w
54 MrComet : Nobody did. But if it makes business sense now, it certainly made business sense when they proposed it 5 years ago as well. Boeing demonstrated a lac
55 Ken777 : I would be surprised if QF didn't buy some 748i's, regardless of the deliveries of the ordered 380s. At risk would be the options on the 380 and that
56 Zvezda : I believe this does not represent an increase in actual OEW. 227t is the Airbus specification. 289t is representative of how the airlines are actuall
57 Coa747 : No one can say for sure what the fuel burn for the A380 is until the first one goes into commercial service. If there was an issue you can bet Airbus
58 AirMailer : Ikramerica, If Boeing were considering stretching the 748i to go up to around 475 mc passengers, would that end up cutting the range of the aircraft,
59 AirMailer : or... Couldn't QF just deploy one of their 787s to make up for the capacity difference that the 748i caused? I mean, it's pretty fuel effecient on th
60 Zvezda : The stretch would be at the expense of range if the MTOW were to be increased.
61 Post contains images BA787 : Yup very true. Wouldn't of thought that QF will order both so I'd expect them to either cancel the A380 and buy 748 or stick with the A380. Fleet com
62 AirMailer : Zvezda, I think that you have brought up an extremely valid factor in this whole mix. Another factor I think is this: Didn't QF origionally order 12
63 SunriseValley : What I have frequently wondered is precisely what is QF's performance benchmark expressed in terms of payload. To me their passenger configurations on
64 Ikramerica : If it gets more pax space into the Bomb jets, I'm all for it! 748F. But since they are only doing 1 wing, the supplemental wind tunnel tests for the
65 Dutchjet : I dont think so, but in any case, the A380 would be too much airplane for that route.......its hard to imagine opening a new route with the A380, isn
66 Zvezda : Airbus may or may not have underestimated the WhaleJet's OEW in real-world service. I suspect they did. Whether or not Airbus underestimated the OEW,
67 AirMailer : Dutchjet, This very thing had been discussed in another thread(don't know if you saw that one)... and several people came to the conclusion that base
68 Dutchjet : I participated in that thread........this is when the discussion was more about the 772LR vs the 748i. Many were saying that the 748i would be too mu
69 Post contains links SunriseValley : This gets back to my previous point, what is QF's "line in the sand" so far as payload is concerned. DFW-SYD is right around 8000nm still air distanc
70 Zvezda : That's fine, but one cannot assume 35knot winds 365 days/year.
71 ANstar : Well QF have done this in the recent past. SYD-Mumbai was opened up with a 747-300. QF's 743's are configured with 450 seats
72 Picard : 10% more fuel burn? Very unlikely.
73 Dutchjet : Want service to Mumbai introduced with 763ERs flying SYD-SIN-Mubai with nonstop 743 service being added later?
74 Post contains links and images AutoThrust : Nice Airbus bashing here but forget it, QF wont cancel any A380    QF have said they are committed to the A380 http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/.
75 Post contains images Glideslope : Not when Airbus only offers Cabbage (Gas.) Understatement of the decade. Not in a Boeing Designed Wing my friend. Simply superior engineering. Proven
76 SunriseValley : This is probably correct but it does not mean that they will exercise any options. The 12 frames on order will allow them to do 1x daily SYD and MEL
77 Dutchjet : QF is not a 772LR customer? QF did not place an order for the type when QF and Boeing determined that the 772LR, in its current form, cannot do LHR-S
78 QantasA380 : Thank you!! The best thing I've read in this thread!! I'm not denying that Airbus stuffed up on the A380, but they stuffed up with the FACTORY, not t
79 Dutchjet : I admire your Airbus optimism, even in these difficult times, but its highly unlikely that Qantas will go with the A345/A346 or any proposed enhanced
80 Unicorn : Lets inject a note of realism into the fevered debate. Qantas already has a mammoth Capex program in the works with both A380 and 787, plus the on-goi
81 Post contains images AutoThrust : Buy some glasses if you think thats a Airbus press realease. Btw i know your biased attitude against Airbus. Your welcome and very good post Quantas3
82 Gemuser : LISTEN TO THIS POSTER!!! There is a LOT of angst in the investment community in Australia about the QF Captial Expenditure (Capex) program! I very ve
83 Post contains images QantasA380 : Yeah, good point about Mr. Dixon being a Boeing fan... And perhaps a few other things at times also, but we won't go there!! I have a lot of respect
84 Zvezda : I'm amazed by all the posts asserting that QF will or will not cancel their WhaleJet orders. They are now negotiating with Airbus. If the outcome were
85 QantasA380 : Why would Qantas want to sell the A380s back to Airbus??? As the launch customer of an aircraft they were so heavily involved in designing, especiall
86 Sllevin : LAX is not constrained. And the current rules for Heathrow look like the slot/person ratio will be about identical for the 380 as the 747. The 380's
87 Post contains images MD-90 : Something better could come along. Maybe.
88 RJ777 : Doesn't Qantas already operate the 747ER?
89 Dalecary : and QF are still interested in the 772LR according to yesterday's ATWonline: 777-200LR still is on high priority lists at Qantas and Singapore Airline
90 Gemuser : Yes it is! Not "slot" constrained as the OP said, true, but it is "constrained" in the sence that QF wont want to run many (any?) more frequencies in
91 Post contains links Gemuser : No they wont! The balance sheet write offs and damages bills from SYD & MEL Airports will ensure that SOME reasonable outcome will be achived. The ne
92 ANstar : The only negotiating they seem to be doing with Airbus is over interim aircraft. I haven;t seen any press reports saying they are negotiating compens
93 ANstar : Opened last year with a 747-300 (non stop) SFO was also opened this year with a 744
94 Zvezda : If that case is so strong, then Airbus wouldn't hesitate to provide buyback guarantees.
95 ANstar : probably the same reason it snot offered on other frames. Does the 787 have abuyback???
96 Post contains images AutoThrust : Exactly coulndt agree more QF will get compensations from Airbus but still will stick with the A380.(Maybe they are happy about big compensations) I
97 Astuteman : Me too seeing as they have publicly stated their commitment to the A380 - to such a degree that they are negotiating interim lift capability with Air
98 Zvezda : Exactly. If QF and Airbus reach an agreement on interim lift and any other issues that QF may have raised then, clearly, QF will not cancel their ord
99 Dutchjet : QF also served Bombay in 1990s - this is not QF's first run at Bombay.
100 OzGlobal : Max QF 744's at LAX approx 6. QF Fleet: 213 aircraft; 747 Fleet size: 36 (24 744's, 6 744ER's, 6 743's). Most???
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