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GE Pass RR On 777 Deliveries  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Last week EVA's third 777-300ER made it first flight. It was line number 572 and was the 210th 777 to fly with GE. RR hit 210 with Cathay's 12th and last 777-300 - line number 567 (at which point PW had 152).

GE will take the lead (for the first time in the entire 777 programme) with #573 (an AF 773ER) but RR will draw level again with #575 (an NZ 772ER). (#574 is a rare PW 777.)

However, with line number 576 (an EK 773ER) GE will hit 212 and neither RR nor PW will have a hope of catching them thereafter.

For the record, PW held the lead in deliveries until line number 275 (in 2000) when RR drew level with them on 92 (with GE on 91!) and RR have held the lead for the past six years.

But the future belongs to GE. When the programme eventually winds up, GE will almost certainly have well over half (they already have 51% of sales) and RR and PW will end up with plus or minus 20% each. (PW currently have 21% sales and RR 28% but these shares will continue to decline.)

Hats off to GE. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

It's a pity as the GE engines certainly have more performance then their RR or PW equivalents but at the expense of noise.

I cringe whenever I have a long flight on GE-equipped T7 that I can't avoid as I know I'm in for a noisy ride.

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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 1):
I cringe whenever I have a long flight on GE-equipped T7 that I can't avoid as I know I'm in for a noisy ride.

I agree with that. Not getting at the engine but I had 6 EK B773 flights in a row and all but the final was a straight -300 Rolls. The -300ER GE may have AVOD but I'd rather stick to the -300 as I could sleep easier on that!  Wink



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User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 1):
I cringe whenever I have a long flight on GE-equipped T7 that I can't avoid as I know I'm in for a noisy ride.

Really? I have never been on a T7, but personally I find the GE's a much nicer sound than the RR. GE whines, and the RR's have that Rrrrrrrr sound
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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Hats off to GE. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

Not sure this a relevant analogy. I think you'll find RR and PW were disqualified from the race halfway through, when the 773ER came out!



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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 4):
Not sure this a relevant analogy. I think you'll find RR and PW were disqualified from the race halfway through, when the 773ER came out!

add to that, the -200LR/-200F.....



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 4):
Not sure this a relevant analogy. I think you'll find RR and PW were disqualified from the race halfway through, when the 773ER came out!

Indeed. On the other hand, GE played their cards well and got what they wanted. It wasn't luck that delivered exclusivity to them.


User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 4):
Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Hats off to GE. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

Not sure this a relevant analogy. I think you'll find RR and PW were disqualified from the race halfway through, when the 773ER came out!

I don't know about that I think PM has described it perfectly using "Marathon" After all it was only GE with the foresight to go with a clean sheet design as RR and PW stuck with stretching existing designs. This made GEs plan more suitable for the marathon rather than the sprint.

When GE got the 777X exclusivity and when they announced it I believe Jack McInerny (now boeing) stated that the power increases dictated by 777LR and 77W requirements were exactly what the GE90 (clean sheet) was designed for.

As history has shown the 115B has had probably the smoothest introduction of a new turbofan ever and all that in uncharted waters of 115k of power. GE can be well pleased with having the foresight to commit to this project.

Frankly I suspect the Trent would have had issues (more) operating at those power levels. Look at the difference in introducing the Trent 500 (A346) compared with GE90-115B (773ER). The irony of all this is that the ruthless efficiency of the 115B has indeed drawn many large orders from Rolls Royce stalwarts and indeed A346 customers namely EK (54 773ER 12 772LR and 8 777F){and don't want their 20 A346...ever!!!} Singapore (19 773ER) Cathay (16 + 2 773ER){Have 3 A346}

It will be interesting to see which way EK(when they order and SQ go with their 787 powerplants and the days of three manufacturers having engine options on the one aircraft are gone!!!!


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