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El Al To Add 4 Weekly HKG Flight In NOV  
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

El AL plans to add a fourth weekly flight to HKG starting in NOV.
Now instead of flying on Sat, Mon and Wed, flights will leave TLV on Sat, Sun, Tues and Wed.
This extra 777 will be available since LY recently substitued 777's with 767 to JFK twice a week on Wed and Sunday.
There was some talk that these 777 that were freed up from the JFK service will go to ICN or Japan.


Flight info from LY website:
03SEP 29SEP 1.3..6. 2225 (TLV) 1415 (HKG) LY 075 777 0 EL AL
03OCT 28OCT 1.3..6. 2125 (TLV) 1415 (HKG) LY 075 777 0 EL AL

29OCT 22DEC .....6. 2055 (TLV) 1345 (HKG) LY 075 777 0 EL AL
29OCT 22DEC .23...7 2125 (TLV) 1415 (HKG) LY 075 777 0 EL AL

01NOV 10MAR ..3...7 1040 (TLV) 1530 (JFK) LY 007 767 0 EL AL

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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

What date do the 767s go on the TLV-JFK run?

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

a 767 to JFK?That's disappointing for passengers...no PTVs, older a/c...


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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Its all go in Hong Kong.... more new airlines and many carriers adding flights.

User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
a 767 to JFK?That's disappointing for passengers...no PTVs, older a/c...

True, but better business class seats  Smile


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5834 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
What date do the 767s go on the TLV-JFK run?

Starts Nov, on Sunday and Wed ....

01NOV 10MAR ..3...7 1040 (TLV) 1530 (JFK) LY007 767


User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

What kind of business/ethnic/travel connections are there between Hong Kong and Israel that makes this flight work? Or do many of the fliers continue into mainland China?


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User currently offlineBwi757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
a 767 to JFK?That's disappointing for passengers...no PTVs, older a/c...

Not really. IIRC LY used to run flights on the TLV-JFK with no movies (or a section without them) to accomodate Orthodox/Hassidic Jews who did not wish to view them. I bet LY will market the 767 flights as "movie-free". That should fill them up in no time (not that it's hard to do so), regardless of the interior condition.

BWI757



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
This extra 777 will be available since LY recently substitued 777's with 767 to JFK twice a week on Wed and Sunday.

Must be a result of the reduction in service to YYZ/LAX. LY fed up with outrageous user fees at YYZ, and scaling back on its YYZ flights and dropping the tag-on flights to LAX. Wonder if this is a taste of things to come by other airlines.



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

Quoting Bwi757 (Reply 7):
I bet LY will market the 767 flights as "movie-free".

I seriously doubt that.  Smile

[Edited 2006-06-22 16:38:37]

User currently offlineBwi757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

Oh well, so ends my career in flight ops.

FLYACYYZ's explanation makes the most sense

BWI757



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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

A few weeks ago, newspapers reported that LY will start nonstop flights to Japan in September. Since flights to Japan don't seem to be loaded into the timetable that Amirs checked, I doubt LY will start flying there this fall.

Since LY is adding flights to HKG, I also doubt rumors that CX is planning to start service to TLV in late 2006 or early 2007.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

why do they downgrade to the 763?Not enough demand?
And Amirs, why better business class on the 763?Any PTVs in business?



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 12):
why do they downgrade to the 763?Not enough demand?

Keep in mind that it's only twice a week--They will still be running multiple 747s and 777s. It doesn't mean JFK service is losing demand; more likely they needed a 777 to start the service to HKG.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

why don't they send 763s to Hong Kong?
Anyway, they will receive 2 new 777s next year



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 12):
why do they downgrade to the 763?Not enough demand?

Actually it will be a "double" downgrade to a 762.
Dont forget this will only be in the winter months, and as Rjpieces already mentioned, this will only be twice a week, the rest of the week LY007 will be opererating a mix of 744 and 777. In addition they will have daily LY001 on 744 and daily LY027 on 777. They will also continue to operate on saturday night LY003 with a 777. I am sure the new nonstop to LAX and nonstop to MIA diverted some the traffic that originally flew via JFK. (yes i know, eventhough the flight to LAX was via YYZ, there were some pax who flew to NY and then continued with AA, CO, DL etc to LAX - same with MIA.)

Quoting LY777 (Reply 12):
And Amirs, why better business class on the 763?Any PTVs in business?

The 767's dont have PTVs, but it does have a very comfortable business class seat. It was installed this year, its "angled lie flat" with a 60' pitch. Some say it is more comfortable than the First Class seats.
As for viewing movies, they just installed some large LCD screens in the 767. Business class pax get personal movie players.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 14):
why don't they send 763s to Hong Kong?

A few reasons ...
1. They just added a 4th flight, i guess they need the capacity. Last year when they added the third HKG, it started on a 762/763 then it quickly converted to 777.
2. They also need the cargo capacity of 777 to HKG.
3. More business class seats and 777 have First Class. Business class and first are almost always full on the HKG flights.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

Quoting Max999 (Reply 6):
What kind of business/ethnic/travel connections are there between Hong Kong and Israel that makes this flight work? Or do many of the fliers continue into mainland China?

Lots of Jewish people going for Chinese takeout.......before I get bashed, that was a joke.

This is primarily a business route - Israel has a rather strong, diverse economy for a small nation and HongKong is huge economic/trade center. I am sure that some travellers do continue on to mainland China, other Asian destinations and Australia, but there is good O&D demand on TLV=HKG. There is limited tourist appeal on the route and certainly not much ethnic or friends & family connections on the route - but that is generally low yeild traffic - if EL AL can keep the F and J cabins filled and the cargo hold packed, they will be making money on these flights.


User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
Lots of Jewish people going for Chinese takeout.......before I get bashed, that was a joke.

This is primarily a business route - Israel has a rather strong, diverse economy for a small nation and HongKong is huge economic/trade center. I am sure that some travellers do continue on to mainland China, other Asian destinations and Australia, but there is good O&D demand on TLV=HKG. There is limited tourist appeal on the route and certainly not much ethnic or friends & family connections on the route - but that is generally low yeild traffic - if EL AL can keep the F and J cabins filled and the cargo hold packed, they will be making money on these flights.

There's a restaurant on the Upper West Side in Manhattan that serves kosher Chinese. Big grin I figure this is probably not the only one in NYC though.

Considering how difficult this flight is (taking a long detour to go around certain airspace)...I'm just surprised that there is enough demand to justify this route's existence.



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User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

Quoting Bwi757 (Reply 7):
Not really. IIRC LY used to run flights on the TLV-JFK with no movies (or a section without them) to accomodate Orthodox/Hassidic Jews who did not wish to view them. I bet LY will market the 767 flights as "movie-free". That should fill them up in no time (not that it's hard to do so), regardless of the interior condition.

Not likely, we're talking about the off season here, and with 3 other carriers offering nonstop to the US, it wouldn't make sense to have twice a week all orthodox flight.

However I do think, that the common pax, ones who don't read airliners.net on a regular basis, and don't know which aircraft they're flying on until they reach the airport, would seriously be disappointed to find out that their aircraft isn't equipped with PTVs, if they know that most of LY flights to NYC are, and they "got screwed", especially as this a daylight flight, and most people do not go to sleep. IMHO, a serious service mistake from LY.
There's now an Israir campaign, saying "all carriers have..., why pay more?"
I think that service speaking, at least in Y, the PTVs is the only major advantage LY has on Israir.


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

IIRC, won't DL be starting TLV-JFK later this year, early 2006 as well? This could be part of LY' decision to use a smaller plane for some flights.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 19):
IIRC, won't DL be starting TLV-JFK later this year, early 2006 as well? This could be part of LY' decision to use a smaller plane for some flights.

Its two flights per week!!! EL AL is using the 763 on two JFK-TLV flights this winter due to aircraft allocation issues, nothing more, nothing less.

DL has not yet announced JFK-TLV.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
Lots of Jewish people going for Chinese takeout.......before I get bashed, that was a joke.

LOL!  Smile

Quoting Max999 (Reply 17):
There's a restaurant on the Upper West Side in Manhattan that serves kosher Chinese. I figure this is probably not the only one in NYC though.

There are many! I actually was reading a NYC food book the other night and they had a whole section on Jews and Chinese food...Pretty interesting stories there.

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 19):
IIRC, won't DL be starting TLV-JFK later this year, early 2006 as well? This could be part of LY' decision to use a smaller plane for some flights.

They have announced general intentions to start JFK-TLV but nothing firm and no timeline.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
This is primarily a business route - Israel has a rather strong, diverse economy for a small nation and HongKong is huge economic/trade center.

I wonder if most of the traffic originates in Israel or v.v.


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 19):
won't DL be starting TLV-JFK later this year, early 2006 as well? This could be part of LY' decision to use a smaller plane for some flights.

Assuming DL starts flights between TLV and JFK, I think they would need to find another 777 to fly this route because they will face tough competition from LY and CO. DL's possible entry into JFK-TLV market should have no bearing on LY's decision to deploy a 762 on this route during the winter season.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 22):
Assuming DL starts flights between TLV and JFK, I think they would need to find another 777 to fly this route because they will face tough competition from LY and CO.

I think DL is planning to deploy 764 on the JFK - TLV route.
Maybe they will downgrade ATL - TLV to 764 and have JFK - TLV with 777 in the future.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 18):
However I do think, that the common pax, ones who don't read airliners.net on a regular basis, and don't know which aircraft they're flying on until they reach the airport, would seriously be disappointed to find out that their aircraft isn't equipped with PTVs, if they know that most of LY flights to NYC are, and they "got screwed", especially as this a daylight flight, and most people do not go to sleep. IMHO, a serious service mistake from LY.
There's now an Israir campaign, saying "all carriers have..., why pay more?"
I think that service speaking, at least in Y, the PTVs is the only major advantage LY has on Israir.

I do agree with you.
Honestly, the product would be about the same as Israir if LY flies 763s(or worse 762s)to NY.



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25 Dutchjet : The 764 will have range issues with the TLV route from either ATL or JFK - not gonna happen. Just like CO, DL has no choice but to operate their nons
26 RJpieces : Why not just stick a 763 on JFK-TLV?
27 Post contains images Dutchjet : Dont be so logical......no simple answers at a.net>
28 IAD380 : Probably because the route between TLV and New York is a major source of profit for the airlines that fly it. Flights are almost always full and many
29 Amirs : Israir operates 763 on the route. Sorry you guys, i really disagree with you. Even with a 767, 1. LY has much more comfortable seats, in Y and obviou
30 LY777 : of course, Amirs.I agree with you.I was just disappointed.Just a question:what are LCD screens?
31 Amirs : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCD
32 LY777 : ok, Amirs, this is what I was thinking about.Nevertheless, I flew LY 767-200ER in April, and I didn't see LCD screens.
33 4xRuv : Sababa, you and your mother felt deceived. Don't you think people who don't know which aircraft will take them would feel deceived when they find out
34 Amirs : Now it looks like LY as already starting to use the 762/763 on route to JFK starting July21, probably to free up a 777 to do the nonstop LAX. They wil
35 LY777 : the 763 that will be used is the latest 763 LY received last month?
36 Amirs : it will be both 4x-EAJ, EAP (EAP is the "newer" one). The 762 will probably be 4x-EAE, EAF.
37 LY777 : 4X-EAC and 4X-EAD never fly to the US from what I heard.Why???Are EAE and EAF more comfortable?
38 Amirs : EAE and EAF have a bit more range and they are about 6 years younger.
39 LY777 : Thanks.I would like to try someday the 763 instead of the 762[Edited 2006-06-25 17:59:57]
40 RJpieces : Thanks for the information...I'm excited about seeing their 767s at JFK.
41 Amirs : Starting Feb 18 LY will have 5 weekly flights to HKG, on Sat, Sun, Mon, Tues and Wed. Also ... Ly has decided to route its flights to ORD this winter
42 Amirs : it looks like the folks at LY changed their minds. It looks like only 777 and 744 will do the JFK route during the winter. There is no LY007 on sunday
43 LY777 : with all what happens in Israel, will LY change their schedule?
44 Joeyby : lol i work in a kosher chinese restaruant in london called MET SU YAN so now i can holiday with the chinese workers!!! wat i dont understand is why el
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