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Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F  
User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9533 times:

From Bloomberg:

Cathay Pacific Airways Orders Six Boeing 747-400 Freighters

June 22, 2006 06:21 EDT -- Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., Hong Kong's largest airline, said it had ordered six Boeing Co. 747- 400 extended range freighters.

- n1786b

[Edited 2006-06-22 12:46:44]

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6920 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9518 times:

747-ERFs and powered by PW. Interesting.

http://www.cathaypacific.com/intl/ab...utcx/press/0,,31342-141548,00.html


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9353 times:

why didn't they order 748Fs instead?


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4769 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9228 times:
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there were threads saying there were only 5 slots left for 744s, where did the 6th come from???

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
why didn't they order 748Fs instead?

they obviously need them now and not in 2-3 years!


User currently offlineN503JB From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 302 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

The six new aircraft are scheduled to arrive between May 2008 and April 2009. How about B748F, what's the schedule delivery to cargolux & NCA.

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9213 times:
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Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
why didn't they order 748Fs instead?

These are for delivery in 2008 and 2009 so they must need the capacity sooner. Of note, it has been discussed that only 5 744 slots remained available prior to the production shift to the 748. 10 744s have been sold this year and as stated by another member about a month ago CX were considering 5.

Question is are these the last 744s to be ordered before all become 748 orders?

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

Why have they chose PW engines instead of RR.

Tom.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6920 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9095 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 6):
Why have they chose PW engines instead of RR.

CX has recently become a PW4000 operator through the ex-SIA 747s they acquired. More to the point, the RB211 isn't an option on the 747-400ERF - just a choice between GE and PW. (All previous CX 747-400s have not been the "ER" version.)


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

the 744F is still selling quite well!!!


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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Cathay are going to have a large 747 freighter fleet in the near future:

6 x 747-400F
6 x 747-400BCF + 6 options
6 x 747-400ERF

18-24 747-400 freighters... no wonder the freight apron is now being expanded for the THIRD time in Hong Kong!!


User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 3):
there were threads saying there were only 5 slots left for 744s, where did the 6th come from???

Boeing announced a production rate increase of 50%. That means approx 18 a year instead of 12. The remaining 744 slots were agressivly marketed, and the response was more than anyone thought apparantly.



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User currently offlineMush From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8933 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 3):
there were threads saying there were only 5 slots left for 744s, where did the 6th come from???



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5):
Of note, it has been discussed that only 5 744 slots remained available prior to the production shift to the 748.

They will probably build both 747-400 and the 747-8series on the same line for a year or two to fill any unfilled 747-400 orders just like they did with the 737.



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

Can anyone confirm whether the 744ER was previously available with P&W engines? This is the first I have heard of it!! I was under the impression that only the GEs were available.

User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

Yes certainly it was available in PW options too.

[Edited 2006-06-22 16:31:19]

User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 12):
Can anyone confirm whether the 744ER was previously available with P&W engines?

Yes, it is an option. CF6-80C2B5-F, PW4062, and RB211-524H8-T are options for the 744ER/ERF.

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 12):
This is the first I have heard of it!! I was under the impression that only the GEs were available.

Nope, Korean Air Cargo ordered PW for their 747ERFs  Smile


User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8451 times:

According to Boeing`s website, only GE and PW are available on the -400ERF.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400erf_prod.html

I can`t think of any 400ER(F)s with Rollers. Cargolux have selected Rolls for the last couple of times they have ordered, but they are standard -400Fs.

I would think that if RR was an option, CX would opt for it, although I am aware of the ex- SQ birds.
Feel free to correct me, this is something I`ve been wondering about.

edit for spelling

raggi

[Edited 2006-06-22 17:02:58]


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8405 times:

Quoting Mush (Reply 11):

They will probably build both 747-400 and the 747-8series on the same line for a year or two to fill any unfilled 747-400 orders just like they did with the 737.

If so, could some of the orders for those last B747-400s be converted to orders for the B787-8?


User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8386 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16):
Quoting Mush (Reply 11):

They will probably build both 747-400 and the 747-8series on the same line for a year or two to fill any unfilled 747-400 orders just like they did with the 737.

If so, could some of the orders for those last B747-400s be converted to orders for the B787-8?

No, Boeing has announced a hard cutover from 744 to 748 production in 2009. This is the reason for the production rate increase recently announced, 744 sales are above expectations, and they must get them all built before the 748 starts.



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User currently offlineTepidHalibut From Iceland, joined Dec 2004, 209 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 14):
Can anyone confirm whether the 744ER was previously available with P&W engines?

Yes, it is an option. CF6-80C2B5-F, PW4062, and RB211-524H8-T are options for the 744ER/ERF.

The 524H8-T was merely a study, and not formally launched. I don't believe RR even got round to running a development version of it.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

Quoting N754PR (Reply 9):
6 x 747-400F
6 x 747-400BCF + 6 options
6 x 747-400ERF

Dont forget the 200s, a wet leased A30B, Dragon's 200s/300s/BCFs (to come), Dragon's wetleased A30B, a couple of wet leased 200s, AHK's A306, that's a combined fleet of ~40 freighters.

Oh and the overnight A333 frieghters...



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

Yes I just remembered that the Koreans were P&W powered!! Does anyone remember Boeing talking about GE exclusivity when the 744ER was launched?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 19):
Dont forget the 200s, a wet leased A30B, Dragon's 200s/300s/BCFs (to come), Dragon's wetleased A30B, a couple of wet leased 200s, AHK's A306, that's a combined fleet of ~40 freighters.

True, but none are 744s, which is what the list was about...



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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

Qantas' 744ERs are GE-powered I believe, in an otherwise RR-powered fleet.


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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7424 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 22):
Qantas' 744ERs are GE-powered I believe, in an otherwise RR-powered fleet

Correct, and they also have three ex MH -400s with GE engines. The remainder are RR.

raggi



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7387 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5):

As PanamDC10 said

That gives clues as to what CP will replace their 744's with. Would the A38F's have been deliovered quite so soon

Tom


25 PanAm330 : Just the pax version. QF is the only airline to operate it, and the majority of their 744s are RR, as are their 743s. They have a few (2?) ex-MH 744s
26 AirMailer : So they are going to start pumping out only the 748 in 2009? That would mean that by the time that they finish flight testing the first one off of th
27 NA : Interesting, and surprising news. The 747-400ERF is a lot cheaper than the 747-8F, that surely explains the run to get the last ones.
28 DeltaDC9 : Yes, SOP for Boeing and Airbus. Plan on seen many 787s manufatured while testing and certification happen also.
29 Post contains links AirMailer : Thanks! That really helps me with the mental logistics picture. Here' the announcement from Boeing: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2006/q2/060
30 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Great news for Boeing and CX. Keep the line open a few more years.
31 Qantas744ER : 3 to be exact, 744 with GE ex MH VH-OEB VH-OEC VH OEd than there are 6 744ER`S VH-OEE VH-OEF VH-OEG VH-OEH VH-OEI VH-OEJ and finally the original 744
32 CX747 : On the "Orders Forum", it is being reported that CX has found their SQ machines to be real money makers with the P&Ws hanging underneath. Quite remark
33 ZK-NBT : Great news! Congratulations to Boeing and CX! I would imagine so! I thought CX wanted all 742F's retired by the end of 2009 or somewhere around there.
34 TL925 : Currently Cathay has the following B747F's in their fleet: 6 x B747-400F (RR Powered) 1 x B747-400BCF (P&W Powered - converted ex-SIA) 1 x B747-200SF
35 Post contains links NA : Btw, which CX freighter is the next to be stripped, now that B-HMD is finished: http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=2964 I they c
36 Post contains images Glideslope : Darn!! The old gal is still the Hot Ticket in Town. Well done Boeing. I wish I had your marketing skill.
37 ZK-NBT : This aircraft is actually a former CX pax aircraft, B-HOU. 3 more to be delivered actually, 3 now in PAX fleet already.
38 CX flyboy : The next BCF will be delivered next month. B-HKH will be our first 747-400BCF with P&W engines. As for the next 742F to be done...I am not sure I will
39 Post contains links DIA : NA: If my eyes are correct, you are the only one who said anything about the livery. As I looked at the Boeing press release w/ photo, I noticed the
40 Andrewtang : The next B742F to be stripped and polished will be B-HVZ. The whole fleet of CX Cargo will be stripped and polished shine in time to come.[Edited 2006
41 Qantas744ER : B-HKD B-HKE B-HKF Cheers Leo
42 CCA : Here is the current and possible CX 747 Fleet. Rego/ Engine/ Type HMD CF6-50 -200SF (ex AHK/Varig) HME CF6-50 -200SF (ex AHK/Varig) HMF CF6-50 -200SF
43 Andrewtang : The EX-SAA B744 will not be B-HKJ. She will be B-HUR. Following the trend that RR engines will have HO* or HU* and PW 744s will have the reg as HK*
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