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CLE Ops A Shambles Today 6-22  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2707 times:

Heavy thunderstorms have made a shambles of operations in/out of CLE today. Every arrival for CO between about 1545-1615 local, except one (including 67 from LGW) diverted to other stations due to the weather.

If you have a loved one moving through/in/out of CLE today, better call your airline, as flights are cancelling (at least for CO/COEX) to keep the operation running.

Working up here in Ops, I can tell you-it sucks.  Smile

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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2698 times:

Yuck. I am supposed to fly LAX-JFK tomorrow. I would imagine the weather in CLE will make its way to NYC just in time for my arrival at 3pm!


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User currently offlineOkelleynyc From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 1):
Yuck. I am supposed to fly LAX-JFK tomorrow. I would imagine the weather in CLE will make its way to NYC just in time for my arrival at 3pm!

Yeppers! That's about right. We're due for several days of inclimate weather and especially bad tomorrow afternoon. At least it will wash away the smell of rotting trash and and that lovely aroma of warmed over pee in this hot and humid city - just lovely....

Good luck on your flight, I'll follow you via FlightAware and Live ATC... Big grin



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

As of 1725 Eastern, CLE, IAH, PIT and CVG are all in ground stops due to weather.

So, 2 of CO's hubs are down. Maybe we should just tell EWR to do the same, just for the hell of it?  Big grin


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
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We here in CLE have gotten nailed with summer thunderstorms for the past 3 days, most of which were conveniently timed during the peak periods at Hopkins....

Hang in there Falcon84!



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

As the saying goes, "you don't like the weather in Cleveland? wait an hour!"

Air traffic isn't all that was backed up by this. I-90, both shoreways, I-77, I-480 from the Jennings to I-271, flooded streets, sewers... It was a mess. It will continue to be a mess for the next couple of days. Just thank God that the airport is on relatively high ground... because otherwise CO would have to start installing pontoons with those winglets!

Best wishes, Falcon...  Wink



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 5):
Air traffic isn't all that was backed up by this. I-90, both shoreways, I-77, I-480 from the Jennings to I-271, flooded streets, sewers... It was a mess. It will continue to be a mess for the next couple of days. Just thank God that the airport is on relatively high ground... because otherwise CO would have to start installing pontoons with those winglets!

Best wishes, Falcon...

Yeah, that is a good thing to have that airport on hight ground. Hey, just like PIT. Those two cities have more in common than we think at times... Even PIT had some crappy wx today.

Coming back to CLE though... 80 min delays according to the Weather Channel. That makes PHL's delays seem like no big deal. OUCH!!!!! I hear that CLE is a pretty good airport. Excellent location, good terminal, hardly ever affected by weather or heavy traffic, unlike ORD, PHL, IAD, or JFK... That is really a shame...



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2198 times:
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Given all of the thunderstorms that roll off of Lake Erie in the summer, sometimes I think it is easier to travel to/from CLE in the winter. At least they can land in the snow most of the time, unlike thunderstorms causing massive ground stops.


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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2272 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Yea ive never really personally had a problem w/ delays in CLE...now ORD and EWR is a whole other story. Keep up the good work guys, CLE ops has a good reputation...coming from someone with a not so good one :P (Beverly Hillbillies theme.....)


-ATCT



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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Maybe we should just tell EWR to do the same, just for the hell of it?

You mean with the exception of 5 minutes before each hour that TEB isn't taking flights, they aren't always in a groundstop?  wink 

I had just gotten in from CVG yesterday when IAH got hit with a unexpected sea breeze thunderstorm. Officially at the airport they got half an inch. Just down the road from where I live, just north of the airport, 5 inches in just over an hour. I had pulled over because of the intensity and sitting in a parking lot I could hardly hear my wife on the cell phone because of the noise of the rain hitting the roof. In a matter of about 10 minutes the street went from dry to almost impassable because of water backing up at the storm sewer entrance. Too much volume not enough entrance. I can imagine what the ops situation at the airport was. Been there done that.


User currently offlineDimoko From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

I was returning to CLE from CLT last night, my flight was scheduled to leave at 9:55, and we were trying to skip ahead to an earlier one. but the 4:30 flight didnt leave until 8:30, and the 7:30 a few minutes after that.

so we hung around CLT (a very nice airport by the way) and i was able to get some good aircraft spotting in.

i will have a trip report up sometime today for the trip as a whole.



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2115 times:
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My wife was scheduled to fly back from MDW on CoEx Monday night at about 19:30 local time. After she receive at least half a dozen messages regarding additional flight delays, she walked over to SW and got a $100 flight to CLE. Upon landing in CLE, she noticed that her original CO flight was not scheduled to arrive until the wee hours of the morning.

Just shows what weather can do to a hub and spoke operation system.



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 11):
Just shows what weather can do to a hub and spoke operation system.

That seems weird, WN just got to choose if they wanted to fly out or what? I would have waited for my CO flight back to CLE!

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
Even PIT had some crappy wx today.

We did, but I still saw some flights preparing for arrival! I think there was a departure delay of like 15 min or something for PIT, nothing too severe.



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2071 times:
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Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
That seems weird, WN just got to choose if they wanted to fly out or what? I would have waited for my CO flight back to CLE!

Actually, it was more of the case that WN's equipment was able to arrive at MDW. The CO equipment was mired in delays in CLE and points south and east.



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 13):
The CO equipment was mired in delays in CLE and points south and east.

Oh, I see.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
We did, but I still saw some flights preparing for arrival! I think there was a departure delay of like 15 min or something for PIT, nothing too severe.

Sure, 15 minute delays are about as severe as the delays get there due to location; not too often is there any severe weather that could severely disrupt air travel there.

There was only one time I could remember when it was a nightmare trying to fly out of PIT due to bad weather... Late March, 1993. Then again, every place east of the Mississippi was shut down at that time... (The Superstorm of 1993...) Remember that, CentPIT?  Wink



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7195 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1931 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
IAH

The last week we've been getting 2-3 extra flights for IAH diversions. Sucks bigtime when your about to get off work and they make you clear out a gate and get ready for another Dc10.  no 


User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1886 times:
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I was scheduled on WN 313 on the 21st from CLE which had a scheduled depature for Chicago-Midway at 4:55 PM and we left at 11:30 PM----longest delay in my thousands of SWA flights over the 35 years I have been flying them---yes I was on one of their then only 4 planes (it went down to 3 soon) and I flew them in that first month between Dallas-Love and Houston-Hobby!

User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1840 times:

And CO 1833 (LGA-IAH) made a pit stop at HOU, where the weather was actually quite nice, and had a fuel truck put some fuel on board at their maintenance hangar before taking off again for IAH. With the stop at HOU included, I think 1833 only arrived about 1 hour late at IAH. We also saw a few DL MD-80's coming in too for refuge.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting Okelleynyc (Reply 2):
Good luck on your flight, I'll follow you via FlightAware and Live ATC...

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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
There was only one time I could remember when it was a nightmare trying to fly out of PIT due to bad weather... Late March, 1993. Then again, every place east of the Mississippi was shut down at that time... (The Superstorm of 1993...) Remember that, CentPIT?

YES I DO! I was so little then, the snow was past my waist when I went outside! (HAHAHAHA) Good times!



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 20):
I was so little then, the snow was past my waist when I went outside! (HAHAHAHA) Good times!

I probably wasn't much older then myself; 3rd grade here. I remember seeing people stranded at PIT; they were there for like 3 DAYS!!! Some were sleeping on those metal semi-circle benches near the underground tram station in the airside terminal. Thank God for the Hyatt now!!!!!! I also noticed the ground being cleared away at the end of the parking lot. Maybe they should consider building another hotel on the property there!!!

Let's see...
-Completion of the Findlay connector of the Southern Beltway, the US22-I79 section construction hopefully about to begin...
-Increasing O&D...
-Additional carriers (B6) to boost up O&D even more...

I'd say they'd be able to use another hotel just for that, but as well as for inclimate weather accomodations too. There are several hotels over by the airside business park, but you still have to drive there from the airport...



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 21):
Maybe they should consider building another hotel on the property there!!!

Yeah, from what I hear, the Hyatt at PIT does very well.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 22):
Yeah, from what I hear, the Hyatt at PIT does very well.

I hear the same, but that is only one hotel that is right at the airport.
PHL has only one hotel right at the terminal, but it is one massive Marriott...

Considering the Hyatt at PIT...

1) It has limited accomodations regarding inclimate weather
2) Isn't it rather pricey? I believe it's a 4-star hotel IIRC...

I would consider building another couple of hotels at the other end of the parking lot. These are a few of the chains I'd consider if I was in any position...

Comfort Inn, Quality, Sleep Inn, Hampton Inn, Holiday Inn, Best Western...
I believe that there are already a handful of these near the business park as well, as I stated before...

Oh, Red Roof Inn and Econo Lodge are a couple of others too if they're not already located on or near Business60...



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 7):
Given all of the thunderstorms that roll off of Lake Erie in the summer, sometimes I think it is easier to travel to/from CLE in the winter. At least they can land in the snow most of the time, unlike thunderstorms causing massive ground stops.

I've been caught in both types of delays at CLE. The first was Christmas 1999 when I was headed to Florida on USAirways, connecting in CLT. Whiteout conditions rolled in just as the inbound aircraft was trying to land, and it was diverted to CAK. The good news is that I managed to get out that day anyway, and I got rebooked CLE-PIT-TPA with a first class seat on the PIT-TPA leg!

The second one was Summer 2000, when I was booked CLE-ABE on a Beech 1900 Continental Express flight (back before they went all-jet.) There was a huge nasty storm front crossing the eastern US and I knew it was likely my flight would be delayed or cancelled, but despite frequent calls to CO, they kept saying it was "on time." So when I got to the airport, of course it was cancelled, as was nearly anything that was equipped with smaller than a 737 or going east of Pittsburgh. I stood in line like everyone else, waiting for rebooking, thinking I was going to miss my grandmother's 80th birthday party, but I managed to get rebooked CLE-PHL on a 735. The flight departed on time and it was the smoothest landing I've ever felt when we got into PHL.

I've also been delayed by weather flying TPA-DTW (see http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/23573/ )

CLE doesn't usually have fog problems, but the storms can get intense very quickly and then drop off suddenly as if they never happened. Even so, I don't think we're any more storm-prone than any other city.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
(The Superstorm of 1993...)

Been there, done that. 18 inches in northern Delaware... they had not a clue what to do about it. I remember that PHL and BWI were closed or delayed for days, and some of our students worried about getting out for spring break (U.D. has late spring break due to a five week winter session.)



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25 Post contains images Steeler83 : Do you remember what equipment that flight was? Go figure... I never flew on any express aircraft, and that is one good reason why not to IMO... I gu
26 Falcon84 : Not often, but I can remember, has to be about 16 years ago or so, we had 3 of 4 Thursdays in the month of September one year, where the airport was
27 Post contains images Steeler83 : Sorry, I just have to laugh at that!!! That kind of stuff would keep me stimulated for hours. When isn't listening to some old fart acting like a pre
28 Post contains images MasseyBrown : That is his reputation. Somebody (Jim Palmer?) said it was Feller's idea to make people pay for autographs.
29 Falcon84 : And the one person on the earth he despises more than anyone is Muhammed Ali, who he's still bitter at, 40 years later, for refusing to serve in the
30 Redngold : I believe it was a 737-300 or 737-400, but at the time I wasn't paying attention. It was before my A.net days. Yeah, I know, sometimes we do have fog
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