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EY And The AUH-YYZ Route  
User currently offlineJFK998 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Just was wondering out of curiousity if any of you out there can fill me in on how EY is doing on their AUH-YYZ-AUH flight.. Good? Bad? So-so? Whatever the case.. fill me in! Thanks  Smile

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Dont forget it actually goes via BRU


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8086 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

I heard it was doing well. The yields may be so-so, but the load factors are excellent. They have both sectors to themselves: Abu Dhabi to Brussels, and Brussels to Toronto are both Etihad's alone. And Toronto has a huge Indian population, who can fly beyond AUH to the old country. Yep, it's a winner.


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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 2):
They have both sectors to themselves: Abu Dhabi to Brussels, and Brussels to Toronto are both Etihad's alone.

I was under the impression that SN Brussels had the rights to fly pax BRU-YYZ on EY equipment under a code-share. Whereas EY had the rights to fly its own pax AUH-BRU and AUH-YYZ ..

i may have misunderstood ..

rOni



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Is there any chance of doing this non-stop at some point?


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 2393 times:
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Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 2):
heard it was doing well. The yields may be so-so, but the load factors are excellent. They have both sectors to themselves: Abu Dhabi to Brussels, and Brussels to Toronto are both Etihad's alone. And Toronto has a huge Indian population, who can fly beyond AUH to the old country. Yep, it's a winner.

my understanding is that they do not have traffic rights YYZ-BRU vv - only their codeshare partner SN can sell seats on this sector

if you go to EYs website and try book flights you will see that if you enter from BRU you are not presented with YYZ as a destination , likewise , if you enter from YYZ you are not given BRU as an option



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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Pardon my ignorance, but is EY actually flying its planes into YYZ at the moment? If so, why can't I find a picture of an Etihad plane in YYZ?


Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 4):
Is there any chance of doing this non-stop at some point?

If they really want to compete head-on with EK, then eventually they would have to i think ... I hope so.

rOni



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting Matt (Reply 6):
Pardon my ignorance, but is EY actually flying its planes into YYZ at the moment? If so, why can't I find a picture of an Etihad plane in YYZ?

Yes EY flies 3 weekly frequencies into YYZ on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays. EY501 arrives into YYZ at 22:10 well after dark even during our longest daylight days. That is the reason why you probably haven't seen any pictures online.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 7):
Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 4):
Is there any chance of doing this non-stop at some point?

If they really want to compete head-on with EK, then eventually they would have to i think ... I hope so.

EK doesn't fly to YYZ....yet.  biggrin 

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 8):
Yes EY flies 3 weekly frequencies into YYZ on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays. EY501 arrives into YYZ at 22:10 well after dark even during our longest daylight days. That is the reason why you probably haven't seen any pictures online.

Thank you! I had been looking for pictures for a while but couldn't find any; that's why I was wondering if the service had ever started, but I see that it has. It's funny, because you can find in the various databases pictures of most airlines and types flying into YYZ, but not EY. Like you said, it certainly has to do with the flight times.



Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 2191 times:

EY sell AUH-BRU and AUH-YYZ
SNBA sell BRU-YYZ and BRU-AUH

Thats right isn't it?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 2180 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 8):

EK doesn't fly to YYZ....yet

Until the bilaterals between Canada and The Emirates is solved, EK won't be able to fly to YYZ..

also, EK was given the opportunity to fly 3x/weekly (with up to 6x/weekly)..but they wanted daily flights..to which it wasn't allowed...

regardless, if it was 3x/6x or whatever, EK didn't take it and EY jumped all over it...



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 2149 times:
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Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
EY sell AUH-BRU and AUH-YYZ
SNBA sell BRU-YYZ and BRU-AUH

That's right, but SN has the exclusive rights for the BRU-YYZ-BRU legs.

FB



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Until the bilaterals between Canada and The Emirates is solved, EK won't be able to fly to YYZ..

also, EK was given the opportunity to fly 3x/weekly (with up to 6x/weekly)..but they wanted daily flights..to which it wasn't allowed...

regardless, if it was 3x/6x or whatever, EK didn't take it and EY jumped all over it...

Correct!
IIRC the EK manager handling those negotiations with the CTA was fired shortly after that debacle.
EK would love to get into YYZ and their brand recognition among the average person here is enormous.
However if EY is smart and continues to open up routes to South Asia from AUH they will do phenomenal business from Toronto and may trump any future entry by EK into the YYZ market.
My hope is that they both will eventually serve Pearson.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 13):
rrect!
IIRC the EK manager handling those negotiations with the CTA was fired shortly after that debacle.
EK would love to get into YYZ and their brand recognition among the average person here is enormous.
However if EY is smart and continues to open up routes to South Asia from AUH they will do phenomenal business from Toronto and may trump any future entry by EK into the YYZ market.
My hope is that they both will eventually serve Pearson.

Cheers,
Kaz

Let's not kid ourselves. EK doesn't negotiate with the CTA. Governments negotiate with governments. If EK wanted more than the bilateral allowed, it was up to them to go to the UAe, and get the UAE govt to make representations to Canada.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 13):
My hope is that they both will eventually serve Pearson.

I know many Canadians who would like to fly EK..I'm curious as to why AC doesn't fly to DXB, etc..are they waiting for their new birds (777/787) to arrive?

Quoting Sebring (Reply 14):

Let's not kid ourselves. EK doesn't negotiate with the CTA. Governments negotiate with governments. If EK wanted more than the bilateral allowed, it was up to them to go to the UAe, and get the UAE govt to make representations to Canada.

same difference....EK had the final decision to fly or not to fly to YYZ..and they decided not to...where as EY did...



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User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Nonstop at somepoint is a possibility.AUH-YYZ is now doable if the carrier wants to put one if its A345s on the flight.The current A332 wouldnt be able to fly it nonstop...


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4766 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1904 times:

EY doesnt make $$$ on the YYZ route!!!

They have decent loads coming into YYZ but not going out of here.

The biggest drawback to them is the SN Brussels codeshare arrangement which blocks 80 seats per flight and doesnt release the available seats until 48 hrs prior to flight's departure.

Added to this factor is that EYs summer peak season fares to India, BKK, CMB, PAK, DAC are more expensive than EK-QR-PK-GF from YYZ. Plus EY doesnt have a SPA with AC nor Westjet to feed pax from YUL-YOW and Western Canada. Lastly, from AUH, EY doesnt have decent connections all 3 days of the week to DEL, BOM, DAC, LHE and ISB.

Though one thing is positive...their cargo loads average 90% whole year round.

EK are the fools not to first try 6 weekly and then 2-3 years later ask for daily...they have no one but themselves to blame for that fiasco.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1855 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 17):
EK are the fools not to first try 6 weekly and then 2-3 years later ask for daily...they have no one but themselves to blame for that fiasco.

Indeed I'd call this a fiasco as well... or having the eyes bigger than its belly as we say in french.

I'm pretty sure EY will try it non-stop when they'll have enough planes (77W).

FB.



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