Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1390 times:
I have a simple question to ask of airline flight crews. In general aviation the pilots generally update the aircraft's Jep books. However, I work with a woman who was a UA FA for over 25 years and she told me that they were the ones who would insert the updates. I was a little suprised that this responsibility would be given to non-pilot personel. While it isn't exactly brain surgery, I would suspect that pilots would make less mistakes than FA's and I also believe that pilots should update to maintain familiarity.
I think that she may have also mentioned that this responsibility is given to the FAs in the FARs. Is that true?
Of course, most new aircraft have computers that are just updated by disk, but I know that there are still alot of older ones that must use the Jep binders.
Skyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1376 times:
All the airline pilots I know update their own, it's there book, they do it. If the pilot wants to take the chance of having some else do it, that's fine but the pilot is responsible for it in the end.
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 2): All the airline pilots I know update their own, it's there book, they do it.
That's another question I have. I know that international private aircraft, like Global Xprs and Gulfstreams all have their own sets, not the pilots. Does any airline operate the same way? It would be a pain to drag your Jeps along on an international flight.
Levent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
Updating the Jeppesens (and all other documents on board) was part of my task (as Operations Officer) working for an airline in Spain. We had a fleet of 14 aircraft and I had to update all of them every week, which basically meant travelling throughout the country chasing the aircraft. I would either update the books during turnarounds on the ground or sitting on the jumpseat during the flight. Needless to say, I loved that job!
Air Nostrum just used to keep a couple of extra Jeppesen bags and swap them over during turnarounds at Valencia, their home base. Every ANS aircraft would pass through VLC at least once a week. With my company that wasn't the case - not that I minded.
As to flight attendants updating Jeps? Never heard of it and it would seem strange to me. F/A's have their own responsibilities to take care of - making sure that the passenger cabin and all equipment in it is ready to go. I don't think they'd have time to do Jeps.
Fxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1251 times:
As u may see about, different airlines have different policies... At FedEx when i worke dthere, each pilot wa sissued his on set of manuals and were responsible for keeping them updated. I believe most the bigger airlines work that way. I also so a small cottage industry has sometimes developed as pilots have paid some fligths ops secretaries or interns or who ever to do the revisions for them. good money in it.
At TransMeridian (formerly a small us CHarter carrier) he had a set designated for each airplane. ANd eithr the station managers of fligth crews would revise them. When the planes went to C-checks, the jepp kits were sent to dispatch and the dispatchers would "repair" them (Occasional missing pages, whole revision sets missing... pain in the @$$) and make sure they were current.
At World, we have a department of people that do nothing but revise jepp kits, and then we swap the whole kit out when planes return to stations here stateside. Though we're hoping to move to electronic jepps which would significantly reduce that workload.... in theory. THis ois much more cost effective wiht small fleet than isuing every pilot a worldwide full set.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6144 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1245 times:
Quoting Fxra (Reply 6): When the planes went to C-checks, the jepp kits were sent to dispatch and the dispatchers would "repair" them (Occasional missing pages, whole revision sets missing... pain in the @$$) and make sure they were current.
That's always nice to know that the book of plates you carry isn't up to date, and therefore, illegal.
Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
PhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1235 times:
My current employer has a "trip kit" that's prepared with the destinations for the flight and alternates. In addition, there is a worldwide Jepp bag on the aircraft for all the suitable alternates we have. There are "librarians" who's job it is to update the Jepp bag as it comes through SIN.
The system is great! No more lugging around a 25kg flight bag, no more doing revisions.