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User currently offlineFL370 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

why is it on BA, there business class seats fave opposite direction? how does that work. i was always fascinated on how passengers get in and out of the seats. can someone please fill me in.

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User currently offlineYVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Trip Reports section would provide more insight through pictures and discussions.

User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

It emanates from packing sardines head to toe in tight tin cans! It is a mess, especially on 777s!


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User currently offline74472 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 2):
It emanates from packing sardines head to toe in tight tin cans! It is a mess, especially on 777s!

A mess that makes them alot of money !


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3701 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

The seats are in back to front pairings so that the space around the head and middle body is maximised. The seat is narrower at the feet than at the head.

As for getting out of window seats, well if you are in a rear facing window seat then you'll be overstepping the feet of the person in the next row towards the rear of the aircraft. EG. The person in 13K oversteps 14J's feet to get to the aisle.

As Cardeulis says the 777 is particularly ugly and when I have the opttion I go for the 747 purely for to avoid the 'Flying Dormitory'. If you get the upper deck or the small front cabin down stairs on the 747 it is fine though.


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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

As long haul crew, I'm sure you must avoid sitting in 10A and 10K as well as 15A and 15K on a 4-class 777. The seats are not only rear facing, they also have no windows. I've been in and around the business for a long time and flown millions of miles and I've never felt so claustrophobic as sitting in one of those seats when the pax next to you has drawn across the 'privacy' fan - I couldn't even see the cabin, or more importantly even see the drinks trolley, and I needed a drink after sitting in the seat for more than a few minutes! UGH!


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User currently offline74472 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 4):
As Cardeulis says the 777 is particularly ugly and when I have the opttion I go for the 747 purely for to avoid the 'Flying Dormitory'. If you get the upper deck or the small front cabin down stairs on the 747 it is fine though.

I don't understand this. Would you rather be in a conventional seat?
It's a flying dormitory regardless of which way the seat faces. In fact 'sleep' is the whole point of the exercise!!!!!!! It enables the seat to be completely flat rather than at an angle with your feet under the seat in front.


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3701 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting 74472 (Reply 6):
I don't understand this. Would you rather be in a conventional seat?
It's a flying dormitory regardless of which way the seat faces. In fact 'sleep' is the whole point of the exercise!!!!!!! It enables the seat to be completely flat rather than at an angle with your feet under the seat in front.

No I am very happy with the Club World seat, just not in the 'Flying Youth Hostel' that is the 777 is in Club World.

The upper deck is more spacious, has side bins which act as storage and a shelf for bits and bobs as well as having more bathrooms and better service. I'm convinced that unless people ask check-in fill the main deck first and upper deck later so it isn't always full. As you can see from the photo above the upper deck is more spacious and almost a private jet feeling about it.

The Club World seat isn't the biggest out there and just ramming it into an 8 across, six row deep space doesn't make it feel any more spacious. At least on the 747, particularly upstairs it doesn't feel so cramped.

Fortunately my most regular route, IAD, used to be fairly straightforward as it was served daily both by 777 and 747 so for me as a leisure traveller it wasn't much of a hardship to get up later and stroll to the airport and get a more comfortable ride on the 747.



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User currently offline74472 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 7):
No I am very happy with the Club World seat, just not in the 'Flying Youth Hostel' that is the 777 is in Club World.

The upper deck is more spacious, has side bins which act as storage and a shelf for bits and bobs as well as having more bathrooms and better service. I'm convinced that unless people ask check-in fill the main deck first and upper deck later so it isn't always full. As you can see from the photo above the upper deck is more spacious and almost a private jet feeling about it.

The Club World seat isn't the biggest out there and just ramming it into an 8 across, six row deep space doesn't make it feel any more spacious. At least on the 747, particularly upstairs it doesn't feel so cramped.

Fortunately my most regular route, IAD, used to be fairly straightforward as it was served daily both by 777 and 747 so for me as a leisure traveller it wasn't much of a hardship to get up later and stroll to the airport and get a more comfortable ride on the 747.

The upper deck normally is always full as passengers request it. Normally if Club isn't full most of the passengers are upstairs for this reason.

Maybe the new Club World seat will better meet your needs  Wink


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Quoting 74472 (Reply 6):
In fact 'sleep' is the whole point of the exercise!!!!!!!

Yes, and all my flights I've never been able to get a decent rest!

Have you tried laying flat on your back - impossible! I took a tape measure with me on one trip and I think the seat was just 19 inches between the armrests, which is hardly very comfortable to try and get your shoulders between when the seats are in the recline position! Again, absolutely impossible to change from laying on your left side to laying on your right side - you have to raise yourself from the base seat, so as to get past the restricting armrests, before 'settling' down on your other side! The whole BA Club World scenario also looks just like some mad Engineer has let his apprentices a free-hand with all the add-ons attached to the seat and video area. The tray for your glass is a joke, and bounces the glass out at the slightest vibration. Even one stewardess said to me that the tray is an accident just waiting to happen! Be prepared for a dry cleaning bill, or even better claim for it from BA!

Fortunately, when I was last booked in J, I was upgraded to F due oversales! Now there's a whole different environment! Even then, I didn't even get any sleep as I was enjoying some of the best wine I have ever tasted in years! Some Chassagne Montchachet, followed by a Pauillac Pichon-Longville with my just right rare steak. Then some absolutely delightful Warres Vintage Port with my cheese selection! Absolute Heaven! No, I didn't look back at the sardines packed behind me!



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5174 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 9):
Have you tried laying flat on your back - impossible! I took a tape measure with me on one trip and I think the seat was just 19 inches between the armrests, which is hardly very comfortable to try and get your shoulders between when the seats are in the recline position! Again, absolutely impossible to change from laying on your left side to laying on your right side - you have to raise yourself from the base seat, so as to get past the restricting armrests, before 'settling' down on your other side! The whole BA Club World scenario also looks just like some mad Engineer has let his apprentices a free-hand with all the add-ons attached to the seat and video area.

I'm not sure how large you a re but as a 6 foot 90Kg person I have not had the same issues as you! You seem to be quite Anti BA! I've found Club world to be a fantastic product and have managed to get a great sleep on numerous occasions.


User currently offline74472 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

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Quoting Carduelis (Reply 9):
Have you tried laying flat on your back - impossible! I took a tape measure with me on one trip and I think the seat was just 19 inches between the armrests, which is hardly very comfortable to try and get your shoulders between when the seats are in the recline position! Again, absolutely impossible to change from laying on your left side to laying on your right side - you have to raise yourself from the base seat, so as to get past the restricting armrests, before 'settling' down on your other side! The whole BA Club World scenario also looks just like some mad Engineer has let his apprentices a free-hand with all the add-ons attached to the seat and video area. The tray for your glass is a joke, and bounces the glass out at the slightest vibration. Even one stewardess said to me that the tray is an accident just waiting to happen! Be prepared for a dry cleaning bill, or even better claim for it from BA!

Oh dear you really havn't been having a good time.

I slept like a baby to HKG last month and again back from BDA on Monday.
I'm 6'2. I know what you mean about the drinks tray, I find that most of the pax have their tray tables out with laptops etc so it isn't a problem.


User currently offlineLagos747 From South Africa, joined Mar 2005, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Must admit, I dont like BA C class. When in the upright position you are sitting face to face with a total stranger. The BA seats are also alot narrower than other C class seats and I felt very nauseous facing the back when we where still on the ground.

User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 9):



Quoting ANstar (Reply 10):

Im 6 ft 2 and did have trouble reclining, i could not stetch out fully, was too tall for it. Loved the service though. I manged to get a few hours kip, but not alot. The footrest at the end does not move, the stand that is, so was pushing against it when trying to recline. I just reclined it a bit, put the foot rest down, and it was fine. I coul;d not turn on my side, and found there was not alot of arm room to rest ya arms. I agree on the glass thing, i did a few times grab my glass during slight turbulence, Just in case my wine fell. RE The seats back and front, i loved flying backwards, did make my head go weird when i went walkies, i kept trying to go into first instead of economy lol. I got confused. I seemed to have a better flt going backwards then forwards, and cant wait to try it again. Its a great product


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3701 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 13):
The footrest at the end does not move, the stand that is, so was pushing against it when trying to recline. I just reclined it a bit, put the foot rest down, and it was fine


It does go up and down. On the under side of it is a handle that when moved to the side allows you to move it up and down. Requires both hands as the thing has to be parallel to the floor when you do it!

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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 5):
you must avoid sitting in 10A and 10K as well as 15A and 15K on a 4-class 777



Quoting Carduelis (Reply 9):
Even one stewardess said to me that the tray is an accident just waiting to happen! Be prepared for a dry cleaning bill, or even better claim for it from BA!



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 7):
The upper deck is more spacious, has side bins which act as storage and a shelf for bits and bobs as well as having more bathrooms and better service

I have to agree with Carduelis and Fbgdavidson. There are actually three classes of service:

1. 747 Upper Deck Club World - fantastic, totally different experience.
2. 747 Main Cabin - not the same, should be a different fare!
3. 777 Club World - I don't like! But F in a 777 looked nice and airy.

The lie-flat seats are a great improvement over the previous CW seats, but hard in spots, narrow and confining for a tall person. Hopefully the new CW will address it.


User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 5):
I'm sure you must avoid sitting in 10A and 10K as well as 15A and 15K on a 4-class 777. The seats are not only rear facing, they also have no windows.

Really? I have a photo of a GE90 I took out of the window of seat erm... 10K in a four class T7 to EWR in April. Must have imagined that...window.

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 9):
Have you tried laying flat on your back - impossible! I took a tape measure with me on one trip and I think the seat was just 19 inches between the armrests

I have a 48 inch chest and don't have a problem lying flat in the recline position. At the end of the day it's still a seat on a plane, not a $3000 bed in the Marriott.

For all the p***ing and moaning in this thread about anywhere in Club World that isn't upstairs in a 747, you'd think that BA give you a bed of nails to lie on, tie you down with chains and set about tightening the thumb screws. 48 hours ago I went from 64A on BA to Miami to seat 1H on AA to Lima in the space of three hours. I can assure you that 1H on an A300 is a truly miserable experience which underlines just how good BA's Club product is whether you are on high in a 747, in the small cabin in a 747, in the flying dormitory or even in a 767. I challenge you to fly Y class with Continental from Gatwick and dare to come back here and moan like a bunch of spoilt brats.



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 14):
It does go up and down. On the under side of it is a handle that when moved to the side allows you to move it up and down. Requires both hands as the thing has to be parallel to the floor when you do it!

I was lucky enough to be on the upper deck. Im talking about the stand the footrest is attached to. I found out how to move the footrest up and down,. with a little help from the crew, but the Stand itself would not move, and thats what i was havin trouble with lol.
Amazing up there, really did feel like i was in a plane of 20 people. If u get a 744, try ya best to get upstairs.


User currently offlineAirlinefreak1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

dear all,

im due to fly BA in Club soon , im quite confused on whether to go for 10A/K or 15A/k ?
i was told row 15 misses a window , and is slightly claustrophobic because you are facing a wall , despite having more room . is it really that bad ?

what shall i go for ? its my first flight in J on BA and its a night flight , and would rather have a window seat

help would be appreciated

regards


User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting Comorin (Reply 15):
I have to agree with Carduelis and Fbgdavidson. There are actually three classes of service:

1. 747 Upper Deck Club World - fantastic, totally different experience.

Agreed. I've been lucky enough to only have flown upper, although I'll be flying 777 to ANU soon. However, I'm in the small two-row cabin at the back of J so it should be a bit cosier.

Quoting Airlinefreak1 (Reply 18):
im due to fly BA in Club soon , im quite confused on whether to go for 10A/K or 15A/k ?
i was told row 15 misses a window , and is slightly claustrophobic because you are facing a wall , despite having more room . is it really that bad ?

what shall i go for ? its my first flight in J on BA and its a night flight , and would rather have a window seat

Are you on a 744? If so see if upper deck is available!

Also, check out www.seatguru.com for BA J class maps - they have some good advice on which seats to pick there.


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Airlinefreak

10A/K and 15A/K are the seats I try to avoid on 4-class 777s for reasons previously given. As DavidT suggests, try www.seatguru.com to see for yourself!



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User currently offlineAirlinefreak1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

yeah , its a B777 .

seat guru says 10A is fine , while 10 K hasnt got a window ,

same for 15 A/K ...

are they really that bad ? or they adequate window seats - surely i must be able to see something outside ?

i was told by a BA cabin crew member that 15's are the best on B777 because of extra spaces ....

so what is the best window seat to go for ??? everything else seams to be standard .

regards


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting Airlinefreak1 (Reply 21):
surely i must be able to see something outside ?

If there's no window you will have great difficulty seeing anything outside.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting 74472 (Reply 3):

I think itas a good idea and money is the main aim in this business. Lets face it, BA need all the cash they can get at the moment

Tom


User currently offline74472 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 23):
Lets face it, BA need all the cash they can get at the moment

How so Tom ?


25 Post contains images BA787 : The fine they will no doubt recieve thanks to VS. Supposed to be ten percent of their yearly ticket sales. I realise they messed up, I haven't got a
26 TCXDegsy : According to Aviation Law, the fine can be UP TO 10% of Worldwide Sales, and this means the fine could be as high as £850million. That could scupper
27 Post contains images Comorin : I don't think so. By your logic, you shouldn't be complaining about Continental Y either, as it beats sitting on a wooden chair. Many of us on this t
28 74472 : Don't put yourself down, we've all got our own opinions. BA have the highest absolute operating profit of any airline anywhere. I wouldn't hold your
29 Post contains links and images Fbgdavidson : Well your choice may be limited by the fact that row 10 are held back as 'Gold seats', so called because you can only pre-assign them if you are Gold
30 Steve6666 : I have been flying BA C and J for the last 20+ years for business and pleasure and I am trying to reconcile my impressions thereof with - no offence -
31 Post contains images David L : A bit premature, I think.
32 Post contains images Comorin : Agreed 100%. There are many of us (esp in the US) who strongly feel service excellence is the result of chronic complaining! Anyway, let's shake on t
33 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : True, it is a very good product although I feel that for some time BA were relying on the fact they can sell CW on the basis of it being a flat bed a
34 TCXDegsy : Let's not forget the other CW extras such as the Sleeper Service and Molton Brown Spa facilities and treatments. Personally, the MB Spa is a fantasti
35 Monkeyboi : Only a small proportion of passengers 'pay four times the WT fare'. The large majority of those sat in Club are on corporate deals paid for by their
36 Post contains images Comorin : I wanted to slip in a few more rants before steve6666 notices! 1. Sleeper Service - nice, but just a buffet, saves BA money... how about some PJs too?
37 Monkeyboi : Oh yeah forgot about the poor blokes original question! My advice would be to go for the 'A' or 'K' rearward facing seats if you want the best sleep.
38 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : Not the cheap I class fares I sometimes purchase! Certainly no flexibility on those, to be honest it doesn't usually bother me because I don't really
39 Post contains images GBOAC : Err?! There are highly restricted Club fares too - I class is totally inflexible, for example (ex-UK anyway). You're (in theory) no better off holdin
40 RogerThat : BA's business class is absolute rubbish. I've flown them once and hopefully never again. I got the dreaded no window "window" seat, facing bass-ackwar
41 Post contains images DavidT : Roger, sorry to hear you had a bad experience, and while I respect your opinion I think a (rare) bad experience may have clouded your judgement of CW
42 RogerThat : Thank you for your comments DavidT. In reading through this thread, there seems to be a few other non-fans of BA's business class product, especially
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