Jog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 8 Posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8834 times:
TAM confirmed in a press release today that they obtained "prime time slots" at LHR and will start flying there on October 28th. Departure in GRU will be at night (23:45), arrival at LHR in the afternoon (13:35). Departure at LHR at night (22:05), arrival at GRU in the morning (7:55).
Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3102 posts, RR: 47 Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 8604 times:
Is this a response to the VARIG situation? I can only assume so, but I may be wrong.
JJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 8586 times:
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2): Is this a response to the VARIG situation? I can only assume so, but I may be wrong.
Sorry feelow but you are wrong. TAM decided to expand its international operations independent of VARIG. TAM will fly to more intl. destinations with or without VARIG.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 8466 times:
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JJMNGR, and probably we can wait to see TAM very soon in FRA and LAX. The best Tam receive from Varig situation is the access to their international flights information. I believe Tam can use the numbers and information (although it's not so complete) for their future plans.
Good to see JJ going to LHR.
Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
JJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 8424 times:
Lipe,
I can´t post information before it really turns as public information due to strategy and also because TAM stokes in the market. This is something dangerous and every executive in the company is aware of its consequences.
What I am going to post right now is my personal thoughts ok?
FRA is going to depend on RG situation. If they survive, I doubt TAM will return to FRA. Seems in Europe, MIL and MAD are most likelly to become first.
I also think LAX could be good but I think JFK deserves 02 flights a day before any decision to go to LAX.
MANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 8424 times:
Good stuff, am looking forward to seeing TAM at LHR and wish them the best of luck. I too was wondering if they will get bigger aircraft if they want to expand capacity?
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 8382 times:
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Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6): Have JJ been to FRA before then ??
Yes, they drop FRA IIRC, in 2001. Bad results just because Tam does not offer at that time, connections out of FRA, and Varig was in a better situation (with two daily flights to GIG and GRU).
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6): I know they have 330's but are the expecting 340's ? or 777's ?
As a temporary measure we probably can see A340's or 777's at Tam (and only if Varig really ground all their ops), but i believe they will try to obtain more A330's.
I respect (SOX, CVM and NYSE are really strong rules!) your comments. And agree 100% that JFK will receive the second flight (and it's a lot easier as Tam could use the 2 planes used for the night flight like MIA).
In terms of Europe, i still believe FRA will be the next Tam destination due to the strong business market, bigger than MAD or even MXP. And for MAD, the new international player BRA will start GIG-MAD and GRU-MAD very soon.
Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
B742 From UK - England, joined Mar 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 8334 times:
Good to finaly hear the confirmation of LHR services
Flight timings are good also
What terminal will be used, T3?
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9): As a temporary measure we probably can see A340's or 777's at Tam (and only if Varig really ground all their ops), but i believe they will try to obtain more A330's.
Would be great to see some A340's in the future, hopefuly Airbus will offer them some 343's or 346's at a great price
Thering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 8206 times:
If VARIG shut down, we will probably see TAM flying LAX, MXP, FRA (again, TAM used to fly their) and probably increase to 2 daily flights JFK and CDG route.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11996 posts, RR: 36 Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 8173 times:
They're going to be needing quite a few more Airbus widebodies; will they look at A340s, I wonder? I guess they'll have to. Maybe Airbus will find homes for the A340s they couldn't place with QR or EK; they wouldn't necessarily need to take them as -600s - perhaps A340-500s or even A330-200s.
All the best to them; it'll be good to see TAM flying into LHR. Hopefully, they can establish a hub at GRU for regional flights.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 8173 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11): They used to fly GRU-FRA-ZRH, if memory serves me right.
Seems your memory is perfect!
Quoting Thering (Reply 12): If VARIG shut down, we will probably see TAM flying LAX, MXP, FRA (again, TAM used to fly their) and probably increase to 2 daily flights JFK and CDG route.
Thering, welcome to A.Net !
In fact CDG is already a 2x daily flight for Tam (one weekly frequency is GRU-REC-CDG).
Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
In fact CDG is already a 2x daily flight for Tam (one weekly frequency is GRU-REC-CDG).
Tank you!
Oh, How is that possible?
of their 9 A330-200:
2 are leased for other company (Air China if i'm not wrong)
2 operates GRU/JFK
3 operates GRU/MIA
so, there is only 2 left for GRU/CDG.
The only way it could have two daily frequencys would bee having two flights during the day. That's what happen?
In fact it is currently:
2 operate GRU-MIA-GRU (1x per week with stop in SSA)
1 operates GRU-JFK-GRU
2 operate GRU-SCL-GRU-CDG-GRU (1x per week with stop in REC)
2 operate GRU-CDG-GRU-REC-GRU
3 stay with Etihad
As of September it will be:
2 operate GRU-MIA-GRU (1x per week with stop in SSA)
2 operate GRU-JFK-GRU-EZE-GRU
2 operate GRU-SCL-GRU-CDG-GRU (1x per week with stop in REC)
2 operate GRU-CDG-GRU-REC-GRU
2 stay with Etihad
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 8090 times:
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Quoting Thering (Reply 15): 2 are leased for other company (Air China if i'm not wrong)
2 operates GRU/JFK
3 operates GRU/MIA
so, there is only 2 left for GRU/CDG.
The only way it could have two daily frequencys would bee having two flights during the day. That's what happen?
Nowadays:
2 runs GRU-MIA (the distance allows 2 overnight/2 daily light), 4 runs GRU-CDG, only one GRU-JFK (the route runs GRU-JFK nowadays as a daily-light service while JFK-GRU is a overnight flight). During the day, Tam offer daily light service to SCL (using one of the CDG A332 without first class) and with the other runs GRU-REC-GRU.
In fact they keep three aircrafts with Etihad (and not Air China), under wet-lease, that should be returned during the next 90 days to TAM. With one TAM will turn GRU-JFK as a overnight flight both ways, and the other two to the new service to London (LHR)
If you have any doubt, don't hesitate in ask again.
Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
JJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 17 Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 8077 times:
Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8): Good stuff, am looking forward to seeing TAM at LHR and wish them the best of luck. I too was wondering if they will get bigger aircraft if they want to expand capacity?
Can tell you some BIG birds might appear to the fleet.
Quoting B742 (Reply 10): What terminal will be used, T3?
JJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 8061 times:
Quoting TR763 (Reply 20): As TAM ordered 10(?) A350, did they make any annoucements about the A350/A370 change in the Airbus plans?
Do they keep this order?
What I meant about BIG birds does not have anything to do with A350 officially announced by the company. The orders are kept until further notice.
TR763 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 769 posts, RR: 16 Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 8041 times:
Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 21): What I meant about BIG birds does not have anything to do with A350 officially announced by the company.
Ok, when I posted it, i still hadn't seen your "BIG birds" post !
Really hope to see A345 around! But you are saying "big", but how big?? Like A380 big????????? lol (yes, I know you're not supposed to give such info).
Jog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 8032 times:
Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 19): Can tell you some BIG birds might appear to the fleet.
Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 21): What I meant about BIG birds does not have anything to do with A350 officially announced by the company.
WOW, first order for the A380 from South America in sight
Sorry, couldn't resist...
25 JJMNGR: TAM already has 10 A332: PT-MVA/B/C/D/E with PW engines PT-MVF/G/H/K/L WITH GE engines MVA/D/E still with Ethyhad and first one to return is going to
26 Jog: Come on... just let us dream a bit.. (I guess, everybody knows that the step from A332 to A380 is a little bit too big ...) Thanks for all the inform
27 Jog: The one on order (MVL) was delivered last October when TAM started JFK (BTW: a really nice aircraft, I had the pleasure to fly in its C-class some we
28 LipeGIG: GRU-MIA 2225 0530 MIA-GRU 1115 2015 MIA-GRU 2130 0630 GRU-MIA 1030 1730 Yes, GRU-JFK around 10 AM, JFK-GRU at night. Felipe
29 MAH4546: One reason (of many!) Varig is in trouble is because of their inability to make route on long-haul routes that they flew for the purpose of prestige
30 Dellatorre: Are u saying TAM will be getting some A340-600 to their fleet! They could easily run them on the CDG route and free some 332 to other destinations.
31 Thering: Flying to LAX from Brazil is important mainly becouse of the Asian Market. There is a lot of demand in Brazil from and to Asian. Varig used to fly fr
32 MAH4546: There is a reason that Varig stopped fly between Japan and Brazil via the USA. The US requires Brazilians to get a US Visa to transfer in the US, eve
33 Thering: Didn't know about that! In this case, the BRAZIL/ASIA flights trought the USA became impossible, the best way now will be via MUN, CDG, LHR or FRA
34 Runway23: Any idea who will do their handling in LHR? Terminal 4 suggests KLM is probably the main contender.
35 Rafabozzolla: Two other questions: How did they get this prime time slots at LHR? Is VS already preparing a similar annoucement (LON-GIG/GRU)?
36 Dellatorre: I'm sorry but how old are u? Haven't u known about that??? Geez, welcome to forum!!!!!!
37 Dellatorre: I think is way time people realize that VS has no short term plans to fly to Brazil!!!
38 Thering: NO I HAVEN'T... Thought that for conections USA didn't required VISA.
39 Rafabozzolla: I don't know if you read about it but, when the announcement was made that TAM was given authority for 7 weekly flights to the UK (not too long ago o
40 Jog: After thinking a night about it, I remembered that there was another thread about it: RE: TAM Order (20 Planes) In June: A318 Or E190? (by DC10Foreve
41 Jog: To come back to the original topic: The flight to/from LHR is now bookable through TAM's website. Interestingly, although the press release says the f
42 Rainmaker: I would guess JJMNGR meant BIG birds as BoeInG like T7. There is quite a few 772 coming off RG. Cheers
43 LipeGIG: Probably because Tam will receive the 3 aircrafts from Etihad without the necessary time to install the First Class. Concerning to the ticket prices,
44 JJMNGR: Widebodied jets for long haul. No T7s from RG....
45 Jog: Might be, but they have to change the business class anyway because, as far as I know, they do not have the 180 degree reclining seats yet. You own m
46 LipeGIG: Thank you Okay, you get the beer and a RU addition! Try to book thru an agent, the price is on system !!! But be quick, might be a big mistake from T
47 VV701: The RG arrival slots at LHR are at 1300 hours (RG8756) on days 3, 5 and 7 and 1400 hours (RG8752) on days 1, 2, 4 and 6. Their departure slots are at
48 Thering: I've called their reservation centre and that's an error. This $1.788 is acttualy in pounds, not in BRL reais as it appears in the site! Would be a d
49 LipeGIG: It's not a reservation, it's an issued ticket bought thru Internet and confirmed/valid. If there is a mistake, it's not mine, i bought a service as a
50 Thering: Yes, I saw the same, but take care, you know how brazilian arilines are complicated. If they don't have how correct their mistake and charge you the
51 LipeGIG: I don't know if you have knowledge on the Consumers Law: If you get a product for a published price (even with 2 prices), you have the right to buy f
52 Thering: Yes, that's the main problem, to get a lot of money in front of a judge in Brazil you'd take at least 10 years. But congratulations, good purchase! I
53 Jog: Charges of about 400 BRL are actually sounding correct to me. 400 GBP would be a little bit too high. So, the problem is only with the basic fare. An
54 BuyantUkhaa: Last year I booked an RG flight GIG-IGU. First I selected Brasil as my home country, and the price worked out to be around BRL 300 (about EUR 100). W
55 Jog: Thanks for the hint, but I would have had to check-in in the UK. So this would not have worked. But do not worry, I found somebody with a Brazilian c
56 LipeGIG: The fact is Foreign Credit Cards need to pay at sight while Brazilian credit cards are allowed to pay in up to 10 installments. Furthermore, due to C
57 Thering: Uhm good! But I don't know if this would be good for me, I have BA bussines class by USD 2.300 and with recomendation to First Class up grade, so...
58 Glennpower: lipeGIG You lucky man getting a return c class ticket so cheap,i looked at TAMs website yesterday and a return from LHR to GRU for a non discounted ti
59 LipeGIG: Hi Glenn, i'm really sad that you couldn't enjoy the price ! It was really amazing how low was the price (even less than R$ 2,000 or exactly £ 456,2
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