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Great Lakes & Air Midwest Chosen For Nebraska EAS  
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

The DOT has selected carrier proposals to provide subsidized Essential Air Service at five Nebraska communities: Grand Island, Kearney, McCook, North Platte, and Scottsbluff. Great Lakes is currently the incumbent carrier at all five communities.

Great Lakes has been reselected to provide service at Kearney, North Platte, and Scottsbluff. Each community will receive 3x daily nonstop roundtrips to Denver using the Beech 1900D aircraft. All service will operate as Great Lakes Airlines, and will also carry the codes of United Airlines and Frontier Airlines.

Air Midwest has been selected to provide service at Grand Island and McCook. Air Midwest will offer 2x daily roundtrips on a McCook-Grand Island-Omaha routing, as well as 1x daily nonstop Grand Island-Kansas City roundtrip, with all service using the Beech 1900D aircraft. All service will operate as US Airways Express, and at least the MCI flights (perhaps the OMA flights as well) should also carry the code of Midwest Airlines. It also appears from Air Midwest's proposal that they will begin operating OMA-MCI flights as US Airways Express; while they have done so in the past, that service currently operates as Mesa Airlines.

The combined annual subsidy for the five cities will be $4,689,767, a decrease of $543,520 from the current annual subsidy of $5,233,287.

The order is available here.

Great Lakes, Air Midwest, and Big Sky each submitted a slew of proposals for the five cities, in various combinations and different service patterns. Mesaba also submitted one proposal for Grand Island. There were far too many different options for me to bother to summarize them here, but they're available in summary in the DOT order, or in detail in the respective dockets.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4142 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

I didn't know the subsidy would go down. How does this happen especially with fuel prices still sky-high?

User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 868 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

Thanks for the update on this....Glad to see BFF will retain ZK.....Interesting to think of McCook as a US Airways Express destination....

Will be interesting to see if ZK continues using the EMB 120 into BFF along with the B1900D....Their proposal states the Beech, however the 120 has been making these runs as of late...

Thanks again,
Ryan



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

In a way, I'm glad GQ didn't get it...We're having enough issues with our current fleet...I think we need some time to get everything running as smoothly was it was last summer before expanding too much. I wonder though, is Great Lakes finally going to shut up and stop contesting our bid into PIR?

User currently offlineGGPillow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

I thought Big Sky said they were not going to serve PIR because ZK said they will remain in the market without subsidy.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 1):
I didn't know the subsidy would go down. How does this happen especially with fuel prices still sky-high?

It's primarily because Air Midwest's annual subsidy for Grand Island and McCook is over $400,000 less than what Great Lakes was receiving to serve the markets. Also, Great Lakes' subsidy for Kearney went down a bit, since Kearney and Grand Island will now have complementary instead of competing service; this was partially offset, though, by increased subsidy at North Platte and Scottsbluff, which is indeed likely due to fuel prices.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 3):
I wonder though, is Great Lakes finally going to shut up and stop contesting our bid into PIR?

I'm not sure what you mean. It's all over and done with, everything's been decided.

Big Sky was awarded the EAS contract, and then Great Lakes said they'd serve the markets subsidy-free after all. Even though it's really not fair to anyone involved, there's nothing anyone can do about it. The DOT isn't going to pay Big Sky to run the flights if the community can get free service elsewhere; Big Sky, for its part, wouldn't even want to run the flights for the subsidy it was awarded anyway, since it would have fewer passengers than it had projected due to the competing Great Lakes service.

While it does suck, it's also nothing unique. Air Midwest pulled the same trick on Colgan a few years ago in BFD/JHW.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4452 times:
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Have any other cities (specifically in Iowa) been announced?

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
Have any other cities (specifically in Iowa) been announced?

The EAS cities that are currently in various stages of the bid process are DUJ, LNS, LEB, BKW, ALM, BKX, HON, ALS, CEZ. I think that's all of them. I just started a thread on BKW/BLF if you're interested in that selection process.

In addition to the Nebraska cities, COU was just given to Air Midwest the other day, there was a thread on that if you haven't seen it. Skyway was also reselected at ESC recently. Air Midwest was selected at JLN last month.

I believe the only cities in Iowa receiving subsidized EAS are BRL, FOD, MCW. They all have contracts expiring on May 31, 2007, so there will be a new proceeding that begins a little before then.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5600 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

This is off the precise topic, but, since everybody here is interested in the little guys ... the other day the DOT told Bluefield, WV that they had become too expensive (over $200 per pax) to continue subsidizing and that even though Regions proposed service at under the legal limit of $200, that proposal was considered unrealistic.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf96/402330_web.pdf

Other cities are probably going to start hearing this story unless the $200 limit is raised by Congress.



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User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

I wouldnt be surprised for ZK to leave AMA. They have like a 3% stake in the aviation market opposed to WN having 60% and the other stakes added between AE / XJT. hey! maybe your taking our ZK a/c away from us!  Wink

User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

EAS is a waste of my and most Americans tax dollars. Let the cities pony up there local taxes to lull that airlines into there city. This is one program that needs to be dumped in the lower 48, Alaska is the exception.

User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting NLINK (Reply 10):
EAS is a waste of my and most Americans tax dollars.

So basically you want a handfull of airlines (like my employer) to go under and thousands of people left without any air service, which flies in a hell of alot more then just people and their bags. We send blood, drugs, newspapers from time to time, car parts, and other crap to these far away places that are vital to that community. Thanks alot for caring about my job and the lively hood of all these small towns.  irked 


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4142 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

I can think of far greater wastes of tax dollars than EAS.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Quoting NLINK (Reply 10):
EAS is a waste of my and most Americans tax dollars. Let the cities pony up there local taxes to lull that airlines into there city. This is one program that needs to be dumped in the lower 48, Alaska is the exception.

Oh, please do tell why Alaska is the exception.

Wait, I know, because it's "remote", right? Well I hate to break it to you, but there are communities in the lower 48 that are just as remote.  Yeah sure

Take these Nebraska communities, for example.

The nearest medium or large hubs to North Platte are Denver at 228 miles and Omaha at 250 miles. The nearest airport of any size that receives any service at all other than subsidized EAS is non-hub Lincoln at 206 miles.

McCook? Denver is 218 miles, Omaha is 258 miles, Lincoln is 207 miles.

And those are just straight-line distances. Driving distances are considerably longer. For instance, Yahoo Maps shows McCook as being over five hours of driving time from either Denver or Omaha.

So, again, what makes Alaska so special in your mind?



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User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Like I said if there is a need the ailines will come. Spending millions of dollars a year to fly 6 people a day is crazy. The EAS was created to help small communities develop after deregulation, if after over 20 years your community can't support it without federal subsidies then its time to drop the program. This means there is either not enough traffic to support regular scheduled air service or your community is not doing enough to support there air service. The playing field has changed with Southwest and other low cost carrires. This is a program which should be dropped.

Alaska is the exception since its size and no roads to a lot of areas.


User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 11):

So basically you want a handfull of airlines

If you work for GQ you work for a sorry airline that was bought to try and break up XJ with scabs. All it is doing is wasting and stealing money from XJ.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting NLINK (Reply 14):
The playing field has changed with Southwest and other low cost carrires.

WN is in for a big suprise when their fuel disappears. Do you really think WN is going to be around in 15 years?

Quoting NLINK (Reply 15):
If you work for GQ you work for a sorry airline that was bought to try and break up XJ with scabs. All it is doing is wasting and stealing money from XJ.

Not my problem. Sure, Mair Holdings has done some strange things to XJ, but hey, I don't work for XJ, I work for GQ. XJ has got to fix itself; same thing I've always said about my company. We can do it here, we just have to get it done. If you think me and my pilots are scabs, then don't fly on us, we don't really care. Our loads are up, and things are looking fine...


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting NLINK (Reply 14):
Alaska is the exception since its size

You want folks in Nebraska to drive 5 hours to get to an airport, so why not the folks in Alaska? And if 5 hours is reasonable, then so is 7 or 8 or 15.



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User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 16):
We can do it here, we just have to get it done. If you think me and my pilots are scabs, then don't fly on us, we don't really care

I don't nor do I allow any of there pilots to jumpseat on us either.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 17):
ou want folks in Nebraska to drive 5 hours to get to an airport

Nebraska has roads, Alaska doen't to most areas. Looks like people in Nebraska are driving anyway since looking at the loads when you see 5 to 8 people a day flying max. Either that or no ones fly from those communities.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting Nlink (Reply 18):
nor do I allow any of there pilots to jumpseat

Oh thats brilliant. blockhead  Who are you to decide that? I'd love to watch some of our pilots when you tell them you won't allow them to jump seat on your aircraft. Watch the fur fly. Very proffessional if you ask me.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting Nlink (Reply 18):
Nebraska has roads, Alaska doen't to most areas.

Well you want the people in Nebraska to pay for their own air service. Why not have Alaska pay for their own roads then? The state of Alaska certainly has a good deal more money than the state of Nebraska does.

Quoting Nlink (Reply 18):
Looks like people in Nebraska are driving anyway since looking at the loads when you see 5 to 8 people a day flying max.

North Platte had 24.2 daily enplanements in 2005, an increase from 18.8 daily enplanements in 2003. The only of the five cities to have less than 19.7 daily enplanements is McCook.

[Edited 2006-06-24 22:50:14]


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User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 19):
Who are you to decide that?

PIC decision. If they buy the reduced rate fine, jumpseat, no thank you. Make them pay a bit.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Quoting Nlink (Reply 21):
PIC decision.

So you're a PIC for XJ, eh? Like I said before, very proffesional of you not allow fellow airline pilots to fly on your aircraft. I'll remember to ask some of my pilots tonight when I head to work about their experiences jumpseating on XJ...


User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 20):
North Platte had 24.2 daily enplanements in 2005, an increase from 18.8 daily enplanements in 2003. The only of the five cities to have less than 19.7 daily enplanements is McCook.

Wow, with 24.2 daily enplanements they should be just fine without EAS then.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting Nlink (Reply 23):
Wow, with 24.2 daily enplanements they should be just fine without EAS then.

Depends on the equipment and where these flights are coming from.


25 SierraAir : Maybe it's just me but I don't see how that is the fault of the employees. I don't consider GQ employees scabs because the company wasn't created to
26 Post contains links and images A330323X : A lovely article from the McCook newspaper about the new service: New airline to serve McCook And an even lovelier editorial: Travelers should use bar
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