Andz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8485 posts, RR: 10 Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9369 times:
On most airlines I have flown with you will hear the occasional comment from the flight deck. It varies on what you hear depending on the disposition of the flight crew, here in South Africa it is common to get a welcome on board with flight time, crew names, destination weather etc. Then at cruise some more info with a weather update, and after landing a thank you and goodbye.
However... Nationwide (CE) flight deck crew do the "thank you and goodbye" at the top of descent which I find really strange. I flew JNB-DUR-JNB with them this week and one announcement went:
"Well folks, from the flightdeck, Captain again, we're just about to start our descent for Durban, the weather on the ground is blah blah, we'd like to thank you for flying Nationwide and hope to see you on board again soon. From the first officer and myself, farewell."
Then the flight continued for another 15 minutes and the only other sound from the front was "cabin crew your positions for landing"
Do any other airlines say their farewells at FL330???
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
DreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9351 times:
That is a bit strange, I haven't encountered anything like that but I do know that if you break up with a girl and stay at her house rummaging through her fridge it makes for a really awkward 15 minutes. It's kinda like that, they kick you out at 330 feet and expect you to leave.
Do not abort a takeoff because a cockpit window pops open!
Noelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9228 times:
That's pretty common, at least on shorter flights, in my experience. I've rarely heard the flight deck crew come on after landing - the latest is usually a greeting, then tagged onto the end "And, cabin crew prepare for landing please".
It is common in New Zealand to get an in-flight greeting from the crew, saying where we are and what we can see out of the window on each side, as well as what we can expect to see on approach. Don't hear that so much in Europe.
UK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2598 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9203 times:
Were you on the B722? I want to do a few internal flights with CE, 1T, etc to get on some classics. It was a shame to see all those B735s arriving at CE, which I imagine will replace the B732s eventually, but it is a good sign of progress for the airline.
Also, does anyone know the current status of CE's pax B721? Is it still stored at Lanseria?
Yep, I've noticed it on several occasions on Easyjet. I find it a shame. I mean, to say goodbye, thank you for flying with them and say they're looking forward to seeing you again soon when you've only just started descent is somewhat tempting fate......
"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
Turnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8985 times:
Hmmm. To me, top of descent or early in the descent is the most logical place for a goodbye from the cockpit. Right before landing or late in descent the pilots are often too busy to make an extended announcement about the weather, gate of arrival, thanks for flying, etc. While taxiing in is also a busy time for the pilots. Considering that most incidents and accidents occur while taxiing, it's pretty important for both pilots to be paying attention to what ATC is saying while they're moving on the ground. I personally wouldn't think about going off the radio long enough on the taxi to make a long "welcome and goodbye" announcement unless we're stopped on the taxiway or ramp for some reason.
FlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8880 times:
I agree with Turnit56N. I've rarely heard messages from the flight deck after landing, usually just before descent has atarted, along the lines of:
"ladies and gentlemen, this is captain ___ spekain. We're just about to begin our descent into _______. The current temperature is __C. We should be on the ground in __ minutes, and at the gate shortly after. On behalf of the entire crew of flight ___, and everyone here at _____- airlines, we thank you for flying _______, and hope to see you again soon. Cabin crew prepare for landing."
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6995 posts, RR: 78
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8738 times:
Well, one a.net member greeted pax from the flight deck with "Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Ladies and Gentlemen... Boys and Girls... Welcome on board this fabulous (aircraft type) operating your flight today with (airline) from (origin) to (destination)... (and so on)..."
All with a very lively and jingoistic tone to it... It sure cracked me up, but unfortunately it left a few pax startled wondering if they got a real pilot up front... Bwahahahaha...
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
Rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8647 times:
I also have to agree with Turnit56N. With the complexity of landing (especially when in the interior of British Columbia), I agree the announcement right before descent makes sense. Of course, saying goodbye at that time might be tempting fate a little....
IIRC, both AC and WJ go as far as thanking you for flying, but leave the final salutation with the cabin crew.
Charlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8627 times:
Is a term called "sterile cockpit." The descent to landing phase of the flight is on of the most criticial. So crews maintain a "sterile cockpit" below 10,000 FT. They do not talk about anything else, but to ATC, run the checklist, and anything pertaining to the flying of the aircraft. In the U.S. it is a requirement to commercial carriers to maintain a "sterile cockpit" below 10,000 FT so there concentration is completely on the flight. Do not know if this is the case on this flight, but I when you fly commercially in the U.S. it is common not to hear the flight crew below 10,000 FT.
Grbld From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8486 times:
What's that? Isn't the pre-departure crew briefing about what you're gonna do in case an engine blows up tempting fate either? Jinxing the flight? Oh boy, we'll need to rewrite some procedures then to avoid tempting fate.
It's much SAFER to do the goodbye message around top of descent than at a later time. Some folks here sound as if it's their right as a passenger to get the goodbye speech after landing. Guess what: If we're too busy upfront due to bad weather, busy airspace or something else going on, you may not even get the goodbye speech. It's totally subordinate to lots of other things we're doing.
And like Turnit56N said: After landing we're busy and especially on shorter sectors with a two-pilot crew, we're both paying attention to where we're going, ATC, after landing procedures, maybe talking to handling or ops or maintenance on the second radio set. The place where airplane accidents are most likely to happen is during taxiing.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8916 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8425 times:
On my Delta/Comair flight this morning, all we got for flight deck announcements were the standard pre-takeoff announcement (we're number five for departure, prepare cabin), a short announcement on weather at our destination once at cruise, and an announcement while we were waiting for our gate to be ready to remain seated with our seatbelts on as we weren't at the gate yet. Nice and simple - flights with a lot of chatter and announcements are a little annoying to me as a passenger - nice and simple the way to go.
OMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8173 times:
I non rev somewhere every week. All of the Delta/DCI carriers do it this way. The farewell from the cockpit just before decent, and the welcome once on the ground by the cabin crew. I have noticed this done on AA, CO, AS, NW, UA, HA, DH, F9, FL, and YX as well. It seems this is the norm, at least here in the US.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8008 times:
I just flew SG SYD to SIN / SIN to HKG and return, and on each flight they did the flight deck goodbye at the 10 minutes to decent.
There was an exception, we had a medical emergency with a passenger on one leg, and after landing the pilot told everyone to remain in their seats after the plane stopped so that paramedics can tend to the passenger.
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7006 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21): flights with a lot of chatter and announcements are a little annoying to me as a passenger
Very very true. I remember I was flying SFO-ATL once and the pilot came on at least 10 times to announce something unnecessary. "Folks we are about to fly over the Grand Canyon now" "Uhhh folks from the flight deck we are currently over New Mexico about 1400 nm from ATL" "Uhh folks theres a bit of rough weather outside, we are currently over Arkansas and we'll be in ATL a bit early. Plus the usual "Prepare cabin for departure", flight update, and descent announcement. He kept interrupting the movie every time, and passengers who were sleeping were abruptly awaken. Simple flights are the way to go.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
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