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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8449 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9081 times:
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On most airlines I have flown with you will hear the occasional comment from the flight deck. It varies on what you hear depending on the disposition of the flight crew, here in South Africa it is common to get a welcome on board with flight time, crew names, destination weather etc. Then at cruise some more info with a weather update, and after landing a thank you and goodbye.

However... Nationwide (CE) flight deck crew do the "thank you and goodbye" at the top of descent which I find really strange. I flew JNB-DUR-JNB with them this week and one announcement went:

"Well folks, from the flightdeck, Captain again, we're just about to start our descent for Durban, the weather on the ground is blah blah, we'd like to thank you for flying Nationwide and hope to see you on board again soon. From the first officer and myself, farewell."

Then the flight continued for another 15 minutes and the only other sound from the front was "cabin crew your positions for landing"

Do any other airlines say their farewells at FL330???


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
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User currently offlineDreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9063 times:

That is a bit strange, I haven't encountered anything like that but I do know that if you break up with a girl and stay at her house rummaging through her fridge it makes for a really awkward 15 minutes. It's kinda like that, they kick you out at 330 feet and expect you to leave.


Do not abort a takeoff because a cockpit window pops open!
User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8940 times:

That's pretty common, at least on shorter flights, in my experience. I've rarely heard the flight deck crew come on after landing - the latest is usually a greeting, then tagged onto the end "And, cabin crew prepare for landing please".

It is common in New Zealand to get an in-flight greeting from the crew, saying where we are and what we can see out of the window on each side, as well as what we can expect to see on approach. Don't hear that so much in Europe.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8933 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 2):
I've rarely heard the flight deck crew come on after landing - the latest is usually a greeting, then tagged onto the end "And, cabin crew prepare for landing please".

Strange, usually I hear the flight deck speaking after landing whilst taxiing to the gate



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2593 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8915 times:

Were you on the B722? I want to do a few internal flights with CE, 1T, etc to get on some classics. It was a shame to see all those B735s arriving at CE, which I imagine will replace the B732s eventually, but it is a good sign of progress for the airline.

Also, does anyone know the current status of CE's pax B721? Is it still stored at Lanseria?


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Strange, usually I hear the flight deck speaking after landing whilst taxiing to the gate

I've only flown BA in the last few years but I'm fairly sure their "Welcome to nnn... passengers with onward flights..." speech is done by cabin crew.


User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

David,

The speech you mention IS done by the cabin crew, but then the flight deck waffle on for a bit after  Smile


User currently offlineInfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1451 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
Do any other airlines say their farewells at FL330???

Yep, I've noticed it on several occasions on Easyjet. I find it a shame. I mean, to say goodbye, thank you for flying with them and say they're looking forward to seeing you again soon when you've only just started descent is somewhat tempting fate......  Confused



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8716 times:

Quoting Englandair (Reply 6):
The speech you mention IS done by the cabin crew, but then the flight deck waffle on for a bit after

I guess I must tune out before that. Probably thinking how soon I can have a cigarette!


User currently offlineTurnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

Hmmm. To me, top of descent or early in the descent is the most logical place for a goodbye from the cockpit. Right before landing or late in descent the pilots are often too busy to make an extended announcement about the weather, gate of arrival, thanks for flying, etc. While taxiing in is also a busy time for the pilots. Considering that most incidents and accidents occur while taxiing, it's pretty important for both pilots to be paying attention to what ATC is saying while they're moving on the ground. I personally wouldn't think about going off the radio long enough on the taxi to make a long "welcome and goodbye" announcement unless we're stopped on the taxiway or ramp for some reason.

User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

I agree with Turnit56N. I've rarely heard messages from the flight deck after landing, usually just before descent has atarted, along the lines of:

"ladies and gentlemen, this is captain ___ spekain. We're just about to begin our descent into _______. The current temperature is __C. We should be on the ground in __ minutes, and at the gate shortly after. On behalf of the entire crew of flight ___, and everyone here at _____- airlines, we thank you for flying _______, and hope to see you again soon. Cabin crew prepare for landing."

haha can't believe I typed that all out.

flyingKangaroo



QANTAS-- The Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineDreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

I also agree with Turnit56N, doing the goodbye's before desent is a quiet logical thing to do.


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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8541 times:
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I'd say what you are describing is the norm in the US.

The one thing I don't like is US Airways spiel by the flight attendants during decent. They always close it with: "Welcome to XXX", as if you've already landed.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8449 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8525 times:
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Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 4):
Were you on the B722?

It was a 732 both legs

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 7):
say they're looking forward to seeing you again soon when you've only just started descent is somewhat tempting fate

My thoughts exactly!



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

all the flights I've been on I usually hear the flight deck on the decent and, the cabin crew on the ground. correct me if I'm wrong.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6836 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

Well, one a.net member greeted pax from the flight deck with "Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Ladies and Gentlemen... Boys and Girls... Welcome on board this fabulous (aircraft type) operating your flight today with (airline) from (origin) to (destination)... (and so on)..."

All with a very lively and jingoistic tone to it... It sure cracked me up, but unfortunately it left a few pax startled wondering if they got a real pilot up front... Bwahahahaha...

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

Delta does it every time. Seems normal to me. Haven't heard it any other way.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8359 times:

I also have to agree with Turnit56N. With the complexity of landing (especially when in the interior of British Columbia), I agree the announcement right before descent makes sense. Of course, saying goodbye at that time might be tempting fate a little....

IIRC, both AC and WJ go as far as thanking you for flying, but leave the final salutation with the cabin crew.



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User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8339 times:

Is a term called "sterile cockpit." The descent to landing phase of the flight is on of the most criticial. So crews maintain a "sterile cockpit" below 10,000 FT. They do not talk about anything else, but to ATC, run the checklist, and anything pertaining to the flying of the aircraft. In the U.S. it is a requirement to commercial carriers to maintain a "sterile cockpit" below 10,000 FT so there concentration is completely on the flight. Do not know if this is the case on this flight, but I when you fly commercially in the U.S. it is common not to hear the flight crew below 10,000 FT.

User currently offlineGrbld From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8198 times:

Tempting fate?

What's that? Isn't the pre-departure crew briefing about what you're gonna do in case an engine blows up tempting fate either? Jinxing the flight? Oh boy, we'll need to rewrite some procedures then to avoid tempting fate.

It's much SAFER to do the goodbye message around top of descent than at a later time. Some folks here sound as if it's their right as a passenger to get the goodbye speech after landing. Guess what: If we're too busy upfront due to bad weather, busy airspace or something else going on, you may not even get the goodbye speech. It's totally subordinate to lots of other things we're doing.

And like Turnit56N said: After landing we're busy and especially on shorter sectors with a two-pilot crew, we're both paying attention to where we're going, ATC, after landing procedures, maybe talking to handling or ops or maintenance on the second radio set. The place where airplane accidents are most likely to happen is during taxiing.

Grbld


User currently offlineZKNSJ From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

during a recent air new zealand flight from auckland to perth, we didnt hear anything from the flightdeck till top of decent 6hrs 45 after we had departed

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

On my Delta/Comair flight this morning, all we got for flight deck announcements were the standard pre-takeoff announcement (we're number five for departure, prepare cabin), a short announcement on weather at our destination once at cruise, and an announcement while we were waiting for our gate to be ready to remain seated with our seatbelts on as we weren't at the gate yet. Nice and simple - flights with a lot of chatter and announcements are a little annoying to me as a passenger - nice and simple the way to go.

Jeff


User currently offlineOMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

I non rev somewhere every week. All of the Delta/DCI carriers do it this way. The farewell from the cockpit just before decent, and the welcome once on the ground by the cabin crew. I have noticed this done on AA, CO, AS, NW, UA, HA, DH, F9, FL, and YX as well. It seems this is the norm, at least here in the US.

User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7720 times:
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I just flew SG SYD to SIN / SIN to HKG and return, and on each flight they did the flight deck goodbye at the 10 minutes to decent.

There was an exception, we had a medical emergency with a passenger on one leg, and after landing the pilot told everyone to remain in their seats after the plane stopped so that paramedics can tend to the passenger.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6718 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
flights with a lot of chatter and announcements are a little annoying to me as a passenger

Very very true. I remember I was flying SFO-ATL once and the pilot came on at least 10 times to announce something unnecessary. "Folks we are about to fly over the Grand Canyon now" "Uhhh folks from the flight deck we are currently over New Mexico about 1400 nm from ATL" "Uhh folks theres a bit of rough weather outside, we are currently over Arkansas and we'll be in ATL a bit early. Plus the usual "Prepare cabin for departure", flight update, and descent announcement. He kept interrupting the movie every time, and passengers who were sleeping were abruptly awaken. Simple flights are the way to go.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
25 TinkerBelle : LOL.. Interesting analogy but if I break up with girl, the last thing I'll be going through is her fridge...maybe her wardrobe looking for some souv
26 CXB744 : Southwest does this all the time. Right at the top of decent. Even the flight attendant's Welcome you to the city before you are on the ground. Exampl
27 Andz : Well if that condescending attitude extends to your passengers then I would rather not hear from you. Just remember who are the reason you are even i
28 757223 : I would guess that more times than not, members of this site would actually like more information from the cockpit, as opposed to less messages. After
29 Junior747 : I've been on several flights within Europe and North America where they say their goodbye from the flight deck just before the decent. I think it's pe
30 Post contains images ManuCH : LX (and before that, SR) always has the FAs do the "welcome to and goodbye" announcement right after touchdown. What they usually say is "Ladies and g
31 Grbld : Actually, I love doing PA speeches, because it is one of the few tangible things I can actually do to make the passenger's flight more fun and comfor
32 Post contains images Greenjet : I've been on some flights with a certain Irish LCC where the flight deck have been mute. The cabin crew on the other hand are the opposite with a cons
33 Toptravel : In my case, during flight most comments from the cockpit come across as Thank you blurr blurr blurr mumble mumble blurr blurr mumble mumble blurr blur
34 Andz : I have absolutely no problem with that and I would expect that. The "some people expect" bit was a bit "looking down the nose" but that's just my per
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