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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Hi,

I was thinking about this the other day. I know that Air Caraibes lacks the aircraft to fly from St. Martin to Paris but if they would apply for the route, would they get it? St. Martin is partly French, so it would fall within the Frech overseas territories. I also think there is still room for another airline to fly between Paris and St. Martin. It would be awesome to see the A330 of Air Caraibes arrive and depart from SXM Big grin

A388

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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2950 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

I'm not sure if the A330 could take off from SXM with enough fuel for the nonstop to ORY, but I suppose they could tag it onto their PTP-ORY flights, or even offer a triangle service ORY-SXM-PTP-ORY.

Note that they do already serve the St. Martin-Paris market by offering connections from Grand Case, on the French side of the island, via PTP. I remember seeing ads for this service when I was in St. Martin a couple of years ago.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 1):
I'm not sure if the A330 could take off from SXM with enough fuel for the nonstop to ORY

Corsair has done it with their A330-200s.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2950 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):

Corsair has done it with their A330-200s.

Interesting, didn't realize that. Maybe this could be a good use for one of Air Caraibes' A330-200s, now that they have added a -300.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Corsair indeed has used the A330-200 for some time so it's do-able.


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I think Corsair uses the A330-200 to SXM during low season but I'm not sure. By the way, I think PTP-ORY and FDF-ORY are further apart from each other then SXM-ORY so this route mustn't be much of a problem to operate. Speaking of Corsair, when is their first A330-200 scheduled to be painted in the new TUI colours like their 744 have now?

A388


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
I was thinking about this the other day. I know that Air Caraibes lacks the aircraft to fly from St. Martin to Paris but if they would apply for the route, would they get it? St. Martin is partly French, so it would fall within the Frech overseas territories. I also think there is still room for another airline to fly between Paris and St. Martin. It would be awesome to see the A330 of Air Caraibes arrive and depart from SXM Big grin

Didn't another airline obtain traffic rights to operate flights from SXM to Paris? If not mistaken, it is a new start-up airline.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):
Corsair has done it with their A330-200s.

Corsair doesn't fly nonstop SXM-ORY.

Don't think it would be very interesting and profitable for Air Caraïbes to fly SXM-ORY. They are based at FDF/PTP, and it would be much more convenient and logical for them to propose from there, via their local network, a fast connection to/from SXM.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

This is really off topic, but I don't want to start a whole new thread for this. How often do planes come in over Maho?


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
Don't think it would be very interesting and profitable for Air Caraïbes to fly SXM-ORY. They are based at FDF/PTP, and it would be much more convenient and logical for them to propose from there, via their local network, a fast connection to/from SXM.

BWIA used to fly to Europe from other Caribbean islands besides their main hub as they represented most english speaking Caribbean islands. The same is with Air Caraibes. Even though their hubs are at PTP and FDF, they were formed out of the smaller french airlines from the french speaking Caribbean islands. With St. Martin being an overseas french territory, Air Caraibes can fly this route for them if their is no local airline, right? Not that they will do it, but technically it is possible right? Air Caraibes is also the first Caribbean airline who formed an Caribbean alliance to improve the co-operation of the aviation and to improve the connectivity between the french speaking islands. I agree with FlySSC opinion that it's better to transfer passengers through their hubs as it is more logical, but I was just wondering what the possibilities are for SXM.

A388  Smile


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2459 times:
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I've seen Air Caraïbes has acquired a brand new A330-300X, so anyone knows if Air Caraïbes is planing new routes ? Or is just to add frequencies to some destinations ?


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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Corsair with the A330 fly nonstop to ORY not with the 747

User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
This is really off topic, but I don't want to start a whole new thread for this. How often do planes come in over Maho?

on the weekend, it's pretty frequent. it might be typical to see as many as 15 757/A319/737 coming from CO, DL, US, UA, and AA. you'll also see the AF A340 and the KLM 744. on top of that, there are dozens and dozens of winair, liat, and air caribes prop flights, a dozen or so private jets (stood behind a beautiful G5 just a few days ago), and at least one completely random jet -- like a 727 or a canadian charter 737.

there are plenty of times when there is little or no activity on the runway or in the landing pattern, but on the weekend, movements are pretty constant. this is not your typical sleepy little caribbean airport.

and this is for the shoulder season. in high season, even more charters will come in.


User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Corsair flies nonstop on thursday and sunday from ORY to SXM but all flights back to ORY are via PTP or FDF be it with the 747 or A330.

User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

If AF 340 Can takeoff back to CDG, A330 Could do it to

User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Yes an A330 can do it but for Corsair and Air Caraïbes it will not be profitable. AF can do it thanks to its huge hub and lot of parteners.

User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 13):
If AF 340 Can takeoff back to CDG, A330 Could do it to

Yeah here comes another "slow climb a340" thread...

the 340 is better off, because if the 340 looses an engine on takeoff it still has 75% of total thrust power a 330 would only 50% this is also a reason AF will/hasnt used the 777 yet, even if it has a bigger TOW weight etc. the Engine out will be a problem.

BTW Air Europe has done 777 nonstop services to europe from SXM

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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 15):

Never saw a picture of a 777 at SXM??


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3244 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 16):
Never saw a picture of a 777 at SXM??


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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Thank you!  Smile

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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting Corsairf/a (Reply 14):
Yes an A330 can do it but for Corsair and Air Caraïbes it will not be profitable. AF can do it thanks to its huge hub and lot of parteners.

The number of french tourists to SXM is high as SXM is a very well known leisure destinations to french people. Because of this I was under the impression that Corsair would have no difficulty in filling their seats yearround, right? Those tour operator charterflights are always packed in my experience. How are the load factors for Corsair to SXM? If SXM doesn't fill the flights, combining the SXM flights with PTP and/or FDF would make up for it, right? The popularity of the french caribbean islands in my opinion would seem very attractive to any airline who operates those flights, wouldn't it? I would think that having a big hub to feed passengers isn't as important to destinations like SXM as the demand from the french market alone would give reasonable load factors, right? Anyone with more insight into this?

A388


User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

A388 most of our pax on the ORY/SXM continue to FDF or PTP and are not happy with the stop, Corsair flies 6 direct flights to FDF and the same to PTP which are the most important market for Corsair. On SXM there are at best 200 people on each flight.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting Corsairf/a (Reply 20):
A388 most of our pax on the ORY/SXM continue to FDF or PTP and are not happy with the stop, Corsair flies 6 direct flights to FDF and the same to PTP which are the most important market for Corsair. On SXM there are at best 200 people on each flight.

200 passengers out of 500 is not bad at all. That's almost half the flight. It does show the importance of SXM as a leisure destination in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised that this number goes up during high seasons.

A388


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3311 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

Way way way off the topic but the Air Caraibes is just absolutely brilliant. I would love to see it fly over Maho Beach when I visit there in 2 years time!!  Smile Smile Smile


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