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Qantas...LAX & A380  
User currently onlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

hey all,

hopefully this hasn't been discussed yet (cause i'm actually just lazy right now and don't want to do a seach)...BUT...i was wondering...when Qantas starts receiving their A380's, part of their plans (from reading the other threads) is to put them on the SYD-LAX run.

from what i've read/heard, the TBIT is the only terminal being refurbished to handle the A380 (am i right?). and currently Qantas has their departing flights out of Term. 4 w/ AA.

Will Qantas switch back over to the TBIT for their arrival/departing flights or will they spend money to have Term 4 be A380 equipped? and if the latter is the case, is it Qantas' responsibility to pay for the upgrades or LAWA?

from the pictures i've seen in the database...this one caught my eye:

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out of all the pix i've seen...Qantas is using only those particular gates. so pretty much, will Qantas move their gates over to the TBIT or switch w/ AA and use the end side of Term 4 on the circular part of the terminal where there will possibly be more room?

thanx for the help in advance!  Smile

~B6FA4ever

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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

No, so far, the only gates to be A380 equiped are the two end gates at TBIT and one end gate at T2. And not all QF flights will be A380. So what ever remains 744 will remain in T4. So, the overall distribution of QF flights between the terminals should not change.

User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

The first QF A380 flights to LAX will be from MEL (they operate from TBIT anyway). Given the fact the First QF A380 flights will not be delivered to OCT 2007 (at the earliest, bar any further delays). I would assume SYD-LAX services would not be operated by the A380 at least until the Norther Summer 2008 begins. So we are at least a couple of years away.

I would assume in the next 2 years modifictions can be made to T4.


User currently offlineTWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

Good post.

Qantas has been operating out of those two T4 gates for about 2 yrs. They are usually both Sydney flights about 2 hrs apart in the evening. Prior to 2004, they were operating those flights from the TBIT. They will probably go back to that arrangement unless as you say they make mods to T4.

T4 has very little room for modification, the distal end of the concourse faces the taxway right next to the more north of the south runways, and T4 is also jam-packed between the TBIT and T5. I can't imagine how more room can be made available.

If international flying and the size of flights over the next decade runs buck-wild as Airbus certainly is hoping, then TBIT will probably have to be modified to have island terminals that have underground connector trains a la Hartsfield (ATL). This will allow fleets of A380s and B748s to park in comfort.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11452 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6107 times:

There is no way Terminal 4 could ever accomodate A380s. It just can't happen. The terminal's facilities, gates, and adjacent ramp and apron space are simply not large enough. What I expect will happen is probably once QF brings the A380s into LAX, those flights will got to Bradley, while all the non-A380 (747) flights will got to Terminal 4, like the Auckland and Brisbane flights, and perhaps any additional non-A380 Sydney flights. After all, QF isn't going in on a brand new, enormous, oneworld lounge at Bradley with CX and BA for nothing!

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 3):
Qantas has been operating out of those two T4 gates for about 2 yrs. They are usually both Sydney flights about 2 hrs apart in the evening. Prior to 2004, they were operating those flights from the TBIT. They will probably go back to that arrangement unless as you say they make mods to T4.

QF also has been known the operate out of a gate at the tip of T4, Gate 48 I believe.



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User currently onlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

first off...much mahalo for the information!

now...

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
No, so far, the only gates to be A380 equiped are the two end gates at TBIT and one end gate at T2.

out of the A380 customers who operate in LAX (Air France - terminal 2, Korean, Lufthansa, Qantas, Singapore, Thai, and Virgin - terminal 2)...if "by some chance" they all decided to bring the plane to LAX, would they have to co-operate with each other on schedules since there will be limited gates to handle that plane? (i know, i know...way to early to tell on this kind of details).

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5841 times:

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 6):
out of the A380 customers who operate in LAX (Air France - terminal 2, Korean, Lufthansa, Qantas, Singapore, Thai, and Virgin - terminal 2)...if "by some chance" they all decided to bring the plane to LAX, would they have to co-operate with each other on schedules since there will be limited gates to handle that plane? (i know, i know...way to early to tell on this kind of details).

All the carriers you have mentioned have multiple flights to LAX.
But do they all arrive at the same time or are their arrivals spread out throughout the entire day?? QF is an example where all their flight arrive in the morning at LAX and depart late night from LAX expect one which departs at around midday is the same with Asian carriers depart late or at different times of the day??

[Edited 2006-06-25 06:21:28]

User currently onlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 7):
But do they all arrive at the same time or are their arrivals spread out throughout the entire day??

I know w/ VS and AF they both have late afternoon/early evening departures at the same time. last month i flew HA to HNL (the 6pm dept) and both AF and VS were boarding their flights. so not sure what they'll do in Term 2.

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24880 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

4 remote gates will also be able to handle A380s if scheduling overlaps occur.

As A380 usage increases at LAX additional terminal gates can be reconfigured to accommodate the type.



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User currently offlineAirlineaddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5255 times:
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Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 3):
If international flying and the size of flights over the next decade runs buck-wild as Airbus certainly is hoping, then TBIT will probably have to be modified to have island terminals that have underground connector trains a la Hartsfield (ATL).

Acually, a western satellite terminal which will be linked by train to TBIT has been approved as part of the settlement between LAX and neighboring communities.

As to when construction will actually occur... that's a totally different topic.

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[Edited 2006-06-25 18:42:40 - Deleted incorrect quote and link.]

[Edited 2006-06-25 18:47:19]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5212 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 9):
4 remote gates will also be able to handle A380s if scheduling overlaps occur.

Yep, the remote stand could end up being A380 city depending on who flies them there when...



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24880 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Quoting Airlineaddict (Reply 10):
a western satellite terminal which will be linked by train to TBIT

This is not firm. Its is not certain the satellite terminal will become a defacto part of TBIT. Instead it might very well become primarily a domestic facility and under exclusive lease to one or more carriers and would then be connected to some other portion of the central terminal area. The final gate layout (narrow body vs widebody) of the terminal hence has not been defined.

Quoting Airlineaddict (Reply 10):
As to when construction will actually occur... that's a totally different topic.

Taxiway construction on the backside of TBIT supposed to start late 2007/early 2008 which will lead to things including the AA Eagle terminal getting demolished. Further work on the actual satellite facility will all be post 2008 once the AA hangars come off lease and can be torn down.



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User currently offlineTWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 5):

QF also has been known the operate out of a gate at the tip of T4, Gate 48 I believe.

That is true, I have occasionally seen a Big White Kangaroo from the round room at the end of T4.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
There is no way Terminal 4 could ever accomodate A380s. It just can't happen. The terminal's facilities, gates, and adjacent ramp and apron space are simply not large enough. What I expect will happen is probably once QF brings the A380s into LAX, those flights will got to Bradley, while all the non-A380 (747) flights will got to Terminal 4, like the Auckland and Brisbane flights, and perhaps any additional non-A380 Sydney flights. After all, QF isn't going in on a brand new, enormous, oneworld lounge at Bradley with CX and BA for nothing!

As of right now, Qantas uses T4 for their Melbourne arrival, and their Sydney arrivals and departures and for their JFK continuation flight, QF107.
When Qantas starts operating their A380 into LAX, will ALL the other (744) QF flights operate as is or will their gates be reassigned?
Qantas uses TBIT for their Brisbane and Auckland flights, as well as their Melbourne departures.
Why does Qantas operate their Melbourne arrival into T4 and the Melbourne departure out of TBIT??

I am asking these questions on behalf of a buddy of mine that loves Qantas and specifically Wunala Dreaming but does not have user name on A.net...

Access-Air



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User currently offlineTWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 14):
Why does Qantas operate their Melbourne arrival into T4 and the Melbourne departure out of TBIT??

the melbourne arrival must link to domestic AA departures as QF codeshare, and perhaps the T4 arrival smoothes connections that may be on the short side.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 9):
4 remote gates will also be able to handle A380s if scheduling overlaps occur.

As A380 usage increases at LAX additional terminal gates can be reconfigured to accommodate the type.

Well, it will be something like this. An A380 arrives, it drops off its load at TBIT or T2, and then gets towed over to the remote stands. When it is time to leave, it will get towed back to TBIT or T2 and get loaded. So, the remote stands is only where the aircrafts will be stored. They won't be boarded from there.

Also, there is absolutely no way to configure ANY other gates at LAX to A380 size. The alleys are not wide enough. All they can do is modify the structure of the terminals themselves, and at that point, they are just better off demolishing those old relics and rebuilding them.

Alley not wide enough, even along the new T2.

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The end gate at T4 does not have enough apron space.

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And the end gates at T2 where the A380 will dock.

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24880 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
Also, there is absolutely no way to configure ANY other gates at LAX to A380 size.

There have been several other gates identified for A380 ops if required. A 2nd T-2 gate along with one T-7 gate that can be made ready with minimal work. In addition a 2nd T-7 gate also can be made available with some facility redesign work along with adjacent gate down gauge.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
the remote stands is only where the aircrafts will be stored. They won't be boarded from there.

No the 4 remote gates are very capable of being used for A380s boarding if required.



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