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Unusual 'go Around' At MAN This Afternoon  
User currently offlineADB1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

This is my first entry on your website and wondered if anyone could throw some light on this: I was at MAN this afternoon and a Jet2 737 was on short finals on 24R behind a Thomas Cook A320. The Jet2 appeared to be way too close behind the A320 and I expected it to do a go around as the A320 touched down. However, the A320 did a touch and go and the 737 landed normally. I didn't see the A320 come back in again whilst I was there.

Can anybody explain this?

Thanks,

ADB1

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User currently offlineDreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

Could it be there was a reason where the Jet2 needed to take the number one spot on landing? What was the wather like there, I imagine that that could have been a possability on why the A320 had to abort it's landing.


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User currently offlineADB1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7533 times:

Thanks for reply DreamsUnited,

Weather was perfect (as it often is at this time of year in Manchester!!!) Wish I'd had my scanner with me to listen in to the ATC. I had my camera with me but by the time I thought to take a picture, the opportunity had gone. I reckon that the gap between the two planes was around 2 miles.

Cheers,

ADB1


User currently offlineDreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Huh, that's weird... I wonder what happended? I would like to look into this little event, sorry that I couldnt have a definate answer about you plight but I've only witnessed a handful of aborted landings but in all those the aircraft never even touched the ground, I hope someone else can give you a more specific answer  scratchchin 

-Josh



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User currently offlineADB1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

Cheers Josh,

Thanks for your reply. I have a colleague who has a brother-in-law who works in the tower at MAN. I'll see if I can find out more on Monday.

ADB1


User currently offlineDreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

If you happen to find out could you post it, or send that to me, I would love to find out what it was. Now I am just as interested as you are about this.


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User currently offlineADB1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7473 times:

Hi Josh,

Will post info if I find out anything.

Regards,

Alastair


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

Quoting ADB1 (Thread starter):
This is my first entry on your website and wondered if anyone could throw some light on this: I was at MAN this afternoon and a Jet2 737 was on short finals on 24R behind a Thomas Cook A320. The Jet2 appeared to be way too close behind the A320 and I expected it to do a go around as the A320 touched down. However, the A320 did a touch and go and the 737 landed normally. I didn't see the A320 come back in again whilst I was there.

Can anybody explain this?

I don't have the answer, but these guys might.

R


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

Quoting ADB1 (Thread starter):
Can anybody explain this?

Best guess... crew training or a test flight for the A320. I've even been on a few here in the US. Nothing earth shattering.........Given the fact it did a touch and go.. I'd about put money on the fact that there were no paying passengers on-board...........and with the fact you said the 737 was closer then normal behind the A320, ATC already had them stacked tight because they knew the A320 was going to do a touch and go.

[Edited 2006-06-25 02:03:15]


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User currently offlineFbk From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7401 times:

It have to agree with EMBQA's reply.

Either not paying passengers/crew training/flight testing was in progress. Not very common to see a flight do anything like that, and not return unless the pattern was very full at the time.

How long would you say you were at the airport, cause the aircraft could have re-entered the pattern and arrive 10 minutes later.  Smile  airplane 


User currently offlineADB1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

Hi Fbk,

I was at the airport for 45 minutes after the incident. The A320 didn't come back in during that time. Having said that, arrivals were constant more or less all afternoon and it may have been stacked up for a while.

EMBQA's explanation sounds good.

Regards,

ADB1


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7176 times:

Was the JET2 plane delayed? Maybe to prevent more delay. Just a guess though

Tom


User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

I saw something strange at MAN (well Stockport to be precise) on Friday afternoon - A Zoom 763 was flying really high on its approach and then it "disappeared" for five minutes and came back much lower, and presumably, landed. Anyone know what this was?

bh4007


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 12):
Anyone know what this was?

Sounds like a Zoom 763 to me  rotfl .

On a serious note, probably did a 360 to the left or right to get the height off. It's not uncommon.

R


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6818 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 13):
On a serious note, probably did a 360 to the left or right to get the height off. It's not uncommon.

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Sometimes for whatever reason ATC will "slam-dunk" an airliner into the airport and the plane won't be able to get down fast enough to accommodate it. In that case it's no one's fault, they just send them on a 360 or vector them around a bit, and go again.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7360 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6748 times:
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What time was it around - I've looked in my notes and know that the only TCX 320 service in the afternoon is the TCX582L which I've logged as landing at 1317 but have not recorded any Jet2 services around the same time.

I doubt ATC would authorise a training service to do a touch 'n' go when there a few arrivals and departures to be sequenced; typically both BLK and LPL are used for training sorties on Saturdays for any MAN based aircraft.


User currently offlineKazzie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6446 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
Was the JET2 plane delayed? Maybe to prevent more delay. Just a guess though

Umm No,

If a flight is delayed they are not given priority for landing.. especially not making another A/C go around.....

I would have to go with Crew training...


User currently offlineDreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6107 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 13):
probably did a 360 to the left or right to get the height off. It's not uncommon.

Yes, I have seen this out at PHNL, A 744 was doing it to burn altitude right over the airport, ATC wasn't happy about it but he did it. Another thing is it might have been busy, general aviationally speaking, they make us do a 360 at the end of our downwind if the arrivals at SNA are too much and they need to make room, it happens alot.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5992 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 14):
Sometimes for whatever reason ATC will "slam-dunk" an airliner into the airport and the plane won't be able to get down fast enough to accommodate it

And sometimes the pilot's mis-judge their descent profile...



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

My guess is that if the Jet2 aircraft was right up the Thomas Cook's arse then if the first aircraft had have landed and had any sort of problem requiring it to take to the skies again it could be too close for comfort with the jet 2 aircraft doing a go around behind. It is much safer for the aircraft in front to do the go around and for the aircraft behind to land.

It wouldn't have been crew training as MAN generally isn't used for this purpose. Indeed I used to live close to EMA and TCX aircraft would often be seen there doing touch and go's.



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User currently offlineLufthansi From Germany, joined May 2002, 454 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Maybe it just was the last tpuch and go of the A320... Lufthansa for example flies from Frankfurt to Rostock-Laage for touch and goes and after the last go they return to FRA without refueling at Rostock.


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User currently offlineADB1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Hi David_itl,

The go around occurred at around 14.30

There were quite a number of jet2's coming in whilst I was there so I can't be very specific I'm afraid.

It's the first time I didn't have my scanner with me.... typical!

ADB1


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