Hovitzer From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 45 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
After cancelling flight BA163 of June 22nd by the reason of crew illness, today flight 165 is also cancelled by the same reason or may I add excuse.
Rumors says that something is going on between flight crews and managment at Heathrow.
Any more information? Are there any other flights that have been cancelled for the same reason?
Hovitzer From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1657 times:
The first cancelled flight (Ba163/22June) departured to TLV in 23 Hours delay as flight Ba163X carrying 93 Pax and Cargo. The flight left TLV after 10 hours as BA9160P carrying Captain, First officer and cargo only. no pax.
About today's cacellation I know that the major part pax already moved to other carriers, most of them to LY.
TLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1537 times:
Thursday night cancellation was due to a FA spraining her ankle apparantly. The replacement FA turned up without her passport after which the night time LHR restrictions had been exceeded.
That is BA's line but I doubt you would hold up a 767 for 1 FA. I have flown on VS with 4 FA's down on a 744.
This doesnt explain today's cancellations however and another reason must be suspected.
Hovitzer From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1499 times:
Are there any FA minimum number required by BA or any other carrier for each flight? I guess there is, so wouldn't it be more clever to board less pax than cancelling the whole flight?
Talking to the flight dispatcher at TLV made me understood that it's not the first time that a crew member finds himself without a valid passport at TLV and with special arrangments he or she can safely come in to Israel. The questions are endless and the reputation of BA at TLV is not raising this days.
Monkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1439 times:
There are legal (JAR-OPs) limits for minimum number of crew on all european airlines.
Most aircraft at BA operate well in excess of the legal minimum number of crew (which on widebody aircraft is generally one per door). So even though the usual crew compliment of say, a 777, is 12 (or some cases 13 route dependent), the flight could still depart with 8 crew if 4 crew happened to fall ill downroute with food poisoning.
The 767 is the exception. The legal minimum for the 767 is 8. The normal crew complement BA roster for 767 flights (as the long haul config a/c only has 181 seats) is 8. So if you end up a crew member down, you have problems!
The 767 CAN operate with 7 crew (1 crew member would cover both doors 3) but in this case their is a matrix where the passenger load must be reduced. If bags and passengers had already been loaded I guess with the delays of sorting out volunteers to get off, and their bags could really create a delay enough to miss the night time ban.
I'd hate to be in the girls shoes who got called out and forgot her passport!
Hovitzer From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1374 times:
Exactly my point here.
I remmember that not so long ago after ground crew finished boarding to flight 163 at LHR, engineers found critical tech problem that forced them to change plane and cause a 3.5 hours delay to the flight but they didn't cancell the flight.
I really can't realize the REAL reason of the two cancellations and I do beleive that there is smething we don't know.
IADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 659 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1349 times:
I read and reread this thread several times to see if I could possibly believe that a BA FA forgot her passport. I find that impossible to believe. To me it would be like going outdoors without clothes on. I dont believe it at all. If the FA really did show up without her passport, why didnt BA send yet another FA to work the flight?
Is it possible that perhaps some security related issue came up that we will never know about? Thats the only reason iI could come up with that makes any sense at all. The other reasons just dont seem to add up.
TymnBalewne From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 798 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1324 times:
Quoting IADLHR (Reply 9): I read and reread this thread several times to see if I could possibly believe that a BA FA forgot her passport. I find that impossible to believe. To me it would be like going outdoors without clothes on. I dont believe it at all. If the FA really did show up without her passport, why didnt BA send yet another FA to work the flight?
Is it possible that perhaps some security related issue came up that we will never know about? Thats the only reason iI could come up with that makes any sense at all. The other reasons just dont seem to add up.
F/A's are human too. They forget things. They think they've put it in their purse/pocket only to realize that it's sitting on the night stand at home or their hotel.
I imagine there are a limited number of standby crews available.
Could there be an issue we all don't know about? Possibly but I tend to go with what's been stated as the reasons.
Monkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1316 times:
I forgot my passport once before, for a MAA flight.
To be honest though it is fairly easy to do. We hardly EVER use our passports when entering/leaving countries we fly to so it's easy to misplace it. The US, OZ and Israel are some of the exceptions.
Once you've done it once (and got in trouble for it) you don't make the same mistake twice though.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1316 times:
Why the conspiracy? These things can happen, and a combination of minor problems could have lead to the flights being cancelled. The fact that the first flight that was supposedly cancelled departed 23 hours late shows that for some operational reason it couldn't go on the day, but it did go the next day as an additional flight.
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