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DSA To AMS With KLM: Please Help Us!  
User currently offlineDsa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Hi

Robin Hood Airport Information is currently launching a campaign for a new service to AMS with KLM. We are now asking people to send a letter of support for our campaign to KLM 'Travel Inquiries.' In Robin Hood Airport forums the service has been discussed for a long time and we feel that with the right times the service could be a huge success.

Please fill in the form at the address below:

http://www.klm.com/travel/gb_en/trav...act_us/customer_support/travel.htm

And send your message of support or copy and paste this statement and help Robin Hood Airport and KLM

'I would just like to express my support for the Robin Hood Airport KLM Connexion Campaign' I too see the potential for the route from Doncaster and feel that KLM's investment in the region will pay off for both KLM and the region of South Yorkshire'

Just before the DSA 'Bashing' starts I would just like to stress that the airport is now being taken seriously and that we understand that the airport is mainly aimed at the leisure market.

Robin Hood Airport Information - http://robinhoodairport.mysite.orange.co.uk

DSA>>>

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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

I don't think this will happen in the near future. LBA and MAN are about 1 hour away from DSA and BHX about 1,5-2hrs. I don't think DSA will generate a lot more traffic from that region, it will probably take away passengers from LBA/MAN/BHX. Also, KL doesn't have the planes to operate the flight(s) at this moment. Both KLM Cityhopper as mainline KL have problems to keep up with the current schedule.

If a DSA-AMS service will start they need to operate at least 3 daily flights in order to get the interest from the travelling public (for business travellers/connecting pax).

If I'm not mistaken KL did operate flights to Sheffield a few years ago with the F50.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

Robin Hood, isn't that Nottingham?

User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
'I would just like to express my support for the Robin Hood Airport KLM Connexion Campaign' I too see the potential for the route from Doncaster and feel that KLM's investment in the region will pay off for both KLM and the region of South Yorkshire'

Better sort out the punctuation or else KLM will never take it seriously. Good luck though.


User currently offlineDsa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5288 times:

Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield. The airport needs these numbers of flights and many airlines are expressing an interest

DSA>>>


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 1):
I don't think this will happen in the near future.

I dont either. And for reason, they are adding a 4th flight on weekdays from an airport 45 minutes from DSA - Humberside - from the winter timetable using a Fokker 50

KLM could probably make both HUY-AMS and DSA-AMS work. But this would need HUY-AMS to be 3 Daily Fokker 50's. And with it presently being 3 Daily Fokker 70's and an extra flight from winter, I dont see HUY-AMS capacity being reduced in the short term

Quoting SK601 (Reply 1):
Both KLM Cityhopper as mainline KL have problems to keep up with the current schedule.

KLM Cityhopper seem to be having bad reliability and punctuality on HUY-AMS in recent weeks



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User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

I've visited friends in Doncaster last december and almost everybody overthere is for sure that DSA will take over LHR's position as the number 1 UK airport within about 10 years...

Even, 1 person told me that DSA currently is the only airport in the UK that can handle the A380 due the "extremely long runway" (which is 'only' 9485ft / 2891 mtrs)

When I was trying to get all those people wake up out of there dreams they won't believe that there is more needed then a 'Thomson' to get bigger then LHR...

But 1 thing for sure, the airport is very nice designed  Wink


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1360 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 6):
I've visited friends in Doncaster last december and almost everybody overthere is for sure that DSA will take over LHR's position as the number 1 UK airport within about 10 years...

 rotfl  A single runway airport in basically the middle of nowhere geared toward the LCC/Charter market is not going to take over anyone's position in ten years, let alone the busiest international airport in the world...

As Humberside mentioned, the close proximity of both LBA and HUY which currently have KLM jet service will keep them out of DSA for the future. The only thing I could see is free rent/landing fees, etc in an attempt to entice them into the market where they could possibly abandon Humberside, but to me that is an extremely long shot at best.

DSA would be best served by continuing to solicit service from Ryan Air and Easy Jet for flights to the continent..


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Quoting Dsa (Reply 4):
Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield. The airport needs these numbers of flights and many airlines are expressing an interest

Well, you fooled me - I thought you were talking about the place that Robin and his merry men beat up on the Sheriff of ...


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 7):
The only thing I could see is free rent/landing fees, etc in an attempt to entice them into the market where they could possibly abandon Humberside, but to me that is an extremely long shot at best.

DSA are believed to have tried that in the past few months but it would appear that they failed



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User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 7):
A single runway airport in basically the middle of nowhere geared toward the LCC/Charter market is not going to take over anyone's position in ten years, let alone the busiest international airport in the world...

Exactly the way I was thinking about the whole story  cheerful 


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

It seems a little desperate that the airport themselves think that posting on A.net is going to help them secure a KLM AMS service. What's more is that as much as some would like to see such a venture come to fruition, A.netters are not exactly a big market in terms of actually buying tickets on such flights.

Regards

Mike


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 11):
It seems a little desperate that the airport themselves think that posting on A.net is going to help them secure a KLM AMS service. What's more is that as much as some would like to see such a venture come to fruition, A.netters are not exactly a big market in terms of actually buying tickets on such flights.

It's not the airlline, the airport or anything/anyone of any real importance. It's a fan site. One which is regularly plugged in here  sarcastic 

7L



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

You already have 6x weekly flights to AMS with Thomsonfly, how many more do you want?

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4790 times:

It's not going to happen, simple. KLC operated to both EMA and SZD a number of years ago, both of which were quickly panned after only a very short term of operation. The physical logistics of MAN, BHX, LBA, HUY mean that the English Midlands and North are pretty much already covered. Let Thomsonfly have their 6x weekly flights to AMS from DSA because it's a different sort of passenger who would fly KL if they were to begin operations from there anyway; I say again, not that it's going to happen!

 wave 



Trespassers will be shot; survivors will be shot again!
User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 4745 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 14):
Let Thomsonfly have their 6x weekly flights to AMS from DSA because it's a different sort of passenger who would fly KL if they were to begin operations from there anyway;

You were braver than I was saying that.

Happy birthday BDKLEZ on your 1st bday. (Me too!).



Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlineCosmic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
the airport is now being taken seriously

I was under the impression the Airport has been taken seriously since it opened last year! Who's started taking the Airport seriously more than ever then?

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 13):
You already have 6x weekly flights to AMS with Thomsonfly, how many more do you want?

Is that the case? Well I can't really see KLM competing with that.

Campaign for something like First Choice, MyTravel etc... starting more charter routes there, you say its a leisure orientated airport...


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

While TOM's service is a consideration, I dont think it would be that much of an influence on any KLM decision to serve DSA. TOM are after the leisure market and KLM would be after the business and connections market

DSA could do with some flights useful for business passengers but all the growth is with leisure orientated flights. Even the new Flybe Belfast service is virtually useless for business passengers (morning flight too late, afternoon flight too early)



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 7):
As Humberside mentioned, the close proximity of both LBA and HUY which currently have KLM jet service will keep them out of DSA for the future. The only thing I could see is free rent/landing fees, etc in an attempt to entice them into the market where they could possibly abandon Humberside, but to me that is an extremely long shot at best.

Given the O&D market between AMS and HUY (Corus and a few oil companies if I'm not mistaken) one can forget they ever drop HUY in favour of DSA. Also at LBA some O&D due to another multinational (have forgotten the name).


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 14):
The physical logistics of MAN, BHX, LBA, HUY mean that the English Midlands and North are pretty much already covered. Let Thomsonfly have their 6x weekly flights to AMS from DSA because it's a different sort of passenger who would fly KL if they were to begin operations from there anyway; I say again, not that it's going to happen!

It'd be entirely reasonable for South Yorkshire to have a KLM link to AMS and onwards, say 2 or 3 times a day on an F70. HUY's a different local market, and KLM flew from Sheffield for a while. The only sticking point I can see is that O&D leisure passengers are already catered for by TOM, and in other markets where KL and LCCs operate , BHX, MAN and LBA for example, cheaper KL tickets are restrictive, and generally more expensive than the competition IMO

Still, serving a metro population of a million, with easier motorway access than both LBA and HUY and no KL presence at EMA, a KL DSA-AMS service isn't too hard to imagine.

[Edited 2006-06-28 00:28:01]

User currently offlineDsa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

Thanks MainMAN

These are the points we intend to get towards KL, I believe that Sheffield service was quite successful. With Doncaster putting in a bid for cityship status and the highly populated city of Sheffield nearby it is perfectly reasonable.

Thanks Once Again

REMEMBER PLEASE EMAIL KLM!!!

dsa>>>


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting Dsa (Reply 20):
These are the points we intend to get towards KL, I believe that Sheffield service was quite successful. With Doncaster putting in a bid for cityship status and the highly populated city of Sheffield nearby it is perfectly reasonable.

Thanks Once Again

REMEMBER PLEASE EMAIL KLM!!!

It's not in my best interests to do that......as a Mancunian with an interest in MAN and 'our' other airports at HUY and EMA!

But I will, because I do think Sheffield should be accessible through an alliance.

Moreover....

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 7):
A single runway airport in basically the middle of nowhere geared toward the LCC/Charter market is not going to take over anyone's position in ten years

Not necessarily true, it potentially could take over LBA and EMA's position - it has the best geographical location of any airport on the eastern side of central/northern England. 1 million passengers and long-haul charters to Egypt, Dom Republic, Florida and Mexico isn't bad going for an airport just over one year old.........watch this space.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1360 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 21):
Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 7):
A single runway airport in basically the middle of nowhere geared toward the LCC/Charter market is not going to take over anyone's position in ten years

Not necessarily true, it potentially could take over LBA and EMA's position - it has the best geographical location of any airport on the eastern side of central/northern England. 1 million passengers and long-haul charters to Egypt, Dom Republic, Florida and Mexico isn't bad going for an airport just over one year old.........watch this space

If LBA continues to price itself out of the IT/Charter market, you may very well be right. There is no question that DSA is in a prime position to be the premier charter/LCC facility for the North Central UK region, especially if they manage to keep their costs low and continue providing incentives to carriers in exchange for additional flights. I have never been thru, but I understand it is a wonderful facility.

However, I still feel that DSA's niche will be in this market, not in scheduled flights to the continent. I can't see KLM or any other airline for that matter providing flights which would draw passengers away from HUY and LBA...


User currently offlineDsa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 4322 times:

Thanks MainMAN! I do appreciate that it would be not in your interests and that the two airports are in competition. But thank you, once AGAIN everybody. . .

PLEASE HELP AND EMAIL KLM!!!

DSA>>>


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Why do you want this service? For an airport with very few flights to very few destinations, I know I'd rather get a new destination, than one already served by TOM. If KL thought a route to DSA would work, I'm sure they would have thought about it and started/planned it by now. I don't think requests from a few people will work, and after they've read through about 5 or 6 with exactly the same content, they'd probably consider it as spam and ignore them altogether.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but i don't see why it's wanted so badly.


25 Humberside : I can. DSA's present services are virtually useless for business passengers. KLM to AMS would be very useful for business passengers and could also o
26 Post contains images BBJII : Ok so KLM are Dutch...and based in AMS, but is there a reason for targeting KLM? Transavia? Easyjet? Scotairways (they serve SOU - AMS) Whilst non of
27 Humberside : Connections (Yes, Transavia and Scot Airways would probably interline with KLM, but that wouldn't be automatically obvious to travellers)
28 Planesarecool : Frankfurt (LH)? Paris CDG (AF)? Madrid (IB)? None of those have services to DSA, and could all offer onward connections similar to KLM from AMS. They
29 MainMAN : Good points, but a KLM link to AMS has always been marketed as THE alternative to travelling through LHR, from the regions. It works because a lot of
30 Cosmic : I heard yesterday from a friend that KLM are going to try this route out and see how it goes... Take it or leave it. Nothing has been announced offici
31 Humberside : But LH and IB dont have the same commitment to the English regions as KLM. As MainMAN says, "KLM to AMS has always been marketed as THE alternative t
32 BDKLEZ : Yes, but that's more through historical reasons that remain in place to this day through the original Air UK codeshare, then shareholding, then purch
33 Humberside : I cant see LH or IB expanding that much in the UK to be honest now though. Theres been very little development of new short haul routes by either airl
34 Mhodgson : IB don't even serve any regions any more! LH do at least send a few CRJs to the regions!
35 BlueShamu330s : I used to have a neighbour who worked for KLM at MAN, who went on to work for Emirates. I recall him saying at the time of the Sheffield route that KL
36 MainMAN : LH do a bigger job than that! They send CRJs from HAM and DUS, 737s from MUC and 320s, 321s, and sometimes 300s from FRA into MAN and BHX.
37 Post contains images Mhodgson : Aye, I was going to type all that but then got told to get back to work GLA, NCL, EDI and I think BRS recieve some LH regional flights as well, thoug
38 MainMAN : Yeah I thought so, and there was me being too pedantic.....too much non-work time on my hands! I reckon they'd just make a commercial decision, like
39 Humberside : Nothing from GLA or BRS. There is NCL-DUS (on Eurowings) and EDI-FRA, which I think sees some mainline aircraft
40 LJ : You forget that the reason why KLM has such an extensive route structure is because (historically) there is much O&D traffic between The Netherlands
41 Dsa : The SZD Route from Sheffield was actually a real success for KLM the load factors were consistently high. The service was cancelled because KLM did no
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