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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

I know JAL, Malev and Royal Jordanian are set to join. Will any mergers take place and will there be any more new members?

Tom
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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7617 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

I am sure oneworld will recruit more members in the future. AerLingus is leaving and, as you well say, Royal Jordanian, Japan Airlines and Malev are joining. I would not be surprised to see oneworld court JJ and MX.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

sorry JJ and MX? dont know my Iata codes yet

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7617 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Brazil's TAM and Mexico's Mexicana.

JJ has codeshare agreements with American Airlines. MX has agreements with LAN Airlines, Iberia and American Airlines. Supposedly MX will soon unveil agreements with Cathay Pacific and with Qantas.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

BA787, for some airline codes A.net has built in HTML software for which you can roll the cursor over the acronym to see what it means. This works for some airport codes as well.

For instance, roll your cursor over these two:

BA

LAX

So JJ is TAM and MX is Mexicana.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

cheers
didnt know that


Tom Big grin


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

In addition to the already-announced new memberships upcoming in the next 12-18 months of Japan Airlines, MALEV, and Royal Jordanian, I could forsee the following airlines definitely fitting well into oneworld:

. Ethiopian (pretty much one of the only viable African carriers left)
. Jet Airways (India's best and biggest airline, growing inside and out of India)
. LANArgentina (a large and growing domestic network in one of South America's largest markets)
. LANEcuador (another link in the LAN chain)
. LANPeru (strong LAN link in South America, and in a large local market)
. Mexicana (strong Mexico presence, obviously, plus good Latin coverage)
. SN Brussels Airlines (a small but viable European carrier, plus good Africa access)
. TAM Brazil (excellent coverage of internal Brazil and all of South America)
. WestJet (although a more low-fare-focused carrier, has good coverage of a huge market, Canada)

In addition, some other airlines that might make it:

. Dragonair (depending on how the Cathay Pacific merger goes, and if it even remains a seperate airline)
. China Eastern (if Dragonair is merged into Cathay, and the alliance still wants another Chinese member)
. Gulf Air (if Royal Jordanian doesn't get too protective of the Mid East turf)


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
Ethiopian (pretty much one of the only viable African carriers left)
. Jet Airways (India's best and biggest airline, growing inside and out of India)
. LANArgentina (a large and growing domestic network in one of South America's largest markets)
. LANEcuador (another link in the LAN chain)
. LANPeru (strong LAN link in South America, and in a large local market)
. Mexicana (strong Mexico presence, obviously, plus good Latin coverage)
. SN Brussels Airlines (a small but viable European carrier, plus good Africa access)
. TAM Brazil (excellent coverage of internal Brazil and all of South America)
. WestJet (although a more low-fare-focused carrier, has good coverage of a huge mark

That would be great. Especially SN Brussels and the LAN chain

Jet would be niice

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
China Eastern

Would the chines government want two airlines that are in different alliances

Gulf Air would be fantastic. Emirates or Etihad would be better

Tom


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
. LANArgentina (a large and growing domestic network in one of South America's largest markets)
. LANEcuador (another link in the LAN chain)
. LANPeru (strong LAN link in South America, and in a large local market)

LAN Peru is already a member of oneWorld. LAN Ecaudor and LAN Argentina have both stated they will be joining.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
LAN Peru is already a member of oneWorld. LAN Ecaudor and LAN Argentina have both stated they will be joining.

Excellent
I am pleased as I never understood why only part of LAN wasa member
especially when American Eagle is poart of oneworld

Tom


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7562 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 9):
Excellent
I am pleased as I never understood why only part of LAN wasa member
especially when American Eagle is poart of oneworld

Beacause LAN Argentina and LAN Ecaudor, unlike LAN Peru, are not affiliates of LAN Chile, so must apply independently.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7520 times:

It would make sense for WestJet to join Oneworld. After AC bought CP, AA just can't offer the level of service to Canada that UA can with AC. And it would certainly help WestJet by getting more traffic feed from AA at AA's Canadian gateways.

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5092 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7469 times:

I agree, Mexicana ; TAM and WestJet would make perfect OneWorld members ;

Can you imagine if Emirates decides to join OneWorld that would be a big for OneWorld should it ever happen but don't think it will happen though.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8602 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7451 times:
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Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
. Ethiopian (pretty much one of the only viable African carriers left)
. Jet Airways (India's best and biggest airline, growing inside and out of India)

ET has in the past indicated its desire to strengthen ties with LH , and it has been reported at least once recently that they would like to join Star

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=6%2F12%2F2006


9W have flirted with absolutely everyone - as well as having an FF tie up with QF they have ff tie-ups with LH , OS and TG all Star members- so they could also go either way ( or with Skyteam for that matter since they also have an FF tie-up with KL )

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
. Dragonair (depending on how the Cathay Pacific merger goes, and if it even remains a seperate airline)

most reports I have read say that the identities will be kept separate for a number of years - but I would still expect them to follow CX into OW
( assuming CX stays in OW and doesn't end up falling under CA's power )

Quote:
. China Eastern (if Dragonair is merged into Cathay, and the alliance still wants another Chinese member)

This is one I am sure OW would want , based in Chinas economic powerhouse , and as insurance in case CX ends up being taken over by CA ( don't laugh , anything can happen )

I would also have to see CA as a possible member , in spite of having signed an MOU to join Star , CX have increased their stake in CA .

Quoting BA787 (Reply 7):
Mexicana (strong Mexico presence, obviously, plus good Latin coverage)

not sure whether MX actually want to join another alliance - they were quite happy to engineer their way out of Star , it may not be easy to convince them to get hitched again unless they can see some real benefit from it .

I would also add a wildcard to the list - MH - they clearly would prefer Skyteam but AF seem to have made it pretty clear that they dont want MH even though the KL part of AF/KL is very keen . KUL is a great uncongested South East Asian hub , and if CX were to be prised away from OW due to links with CA then OW would be very thin in its coverage of Asia and would be pretty desperate for another Asian carrier/hub



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7398 times:

Hey all I thought I'd post this idea I was watching come on down. I noticed that Airlines have a certain formula when doing these alliances. It is very geographically organized so in a sense JJ and MX make perfect sense. But also let's not forget 9W.


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 7352 times:

I would like to see PK join OneWorld, it would serve them well..especially with their flights out of JFK and ORD...however YYZ would serve well with Star Alliance....

if PK start LAX services, then once again, OneWorld would be well..


also, PK have just started a codeshare with TK.....



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 7306 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
I would also add a wildcard to the list - MH - they clearly would prefer Skyteam but AF seem to have made it pretty clear that they dont want MH even though the KL part of AF/KL is very keen

I wonder why AF doesn't want MH inside SkyTeam ...it's a big mistake as the SkyT presence in the Southern Asia, Oz markets is very poor.

Air France is getting wrong about this subject.

SkyTeam must be with a watchful eye. Its competition has a better and more balanced worldwide coverage.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 7306 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
they were quite happy to engineer their way out of Star , it may not be easy to convince them to get hitched again unless they can see some real benefit from it .

I think most agree that, ultimately, Mexicana probably would benefit from joining oneworld, especially because of their already strong ties with American, Iberia and LAN. In addition, the barriers to exit that so frustrated Mexicana when it tried to leave Star would be much less with oneworld -- oneworld is much less stringent on getting in and out, and, as far as I know, does not have nearly has stiff a penalty to leave as Star.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7617 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 16):
I wonder why AF doesn't want MH inside SkyTeam

The problem seems to be that AF's relationship with QF (AF flies CDG-SIN and QF flies SIN-SYD and they both codeshare) is working out really nicely and they don't seem to be interested in having someone else help them connect passengers to/from Australia. I really hope that the other SkyTeam members can convince AF to allow MH to join not as an associate but rather as a full member.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 17):
oneworld is much less stringent on getting in and out, and, as far as I know, does not have nearly has stiff a penalty to leave as Star.

Are you sure about this?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
The problem seems to be that AF's relationship with QF (AF flies CDG-SIN and QF flies SIN-SYD and they both codeshare) is working out really nicely and they don't seem to be interested in having someone else help them connect passengers to/from Australia.

OK, but it doesn't enough to explain why AF is refusing to say "YES" MH.

In my own point of view, MH is more useful to SkyTeam worldwide network than the newest member SU.

Moreover, KLM is very happy with its cooperation with MH, they are working together for years.

I would like to know the real reason of AF to say "no"  confused  ...MAYBE to show SkyTeam is nearly Air France??



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User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

I would love to see WS join oneworld. Perhaps in a few years, Harmony would be a good partner as they have quite the expansion planned out of oneworld's base of YVR.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7617 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 19):
MH is more useful to SkyTeam worldwide network than the newest member SU.

Moreover, KLM is very happy with its cooperation with MH, they are working together for years.

I agree, MH would be really useful to the airlines of SkyTeam... not just KL but AF and the U.S. members too. Anyway, hopefully there will be a change of heart within AF.

As a side note, DL has cancelled a substantial portion of its alliance with MH. Now MH is only a mileage accrual partner, but I don't think the two carriers are codesharing anymore. I am not sure exactly what happened, but if someone could shed some light it would be greatly appreciated.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Any predictions on who might try and defect form SkyTeam or Star Alliance to join OneWorld? If there are I bet virtually all of them are in SkyTeam since it is by far the shakiest of the three big alliances.


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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7078 times:

Well I heard a rumor EI will defect to Sky Team. Due to the fact that they miss their mid 90's partnership with DL.

Right now I only think CO will defect but to where? Most likely an independent carrier with a lot of codeshare service.



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Isnt Oneworld the smallest Alliance? I always wondered why since from what i heard it had only the "Best" Carriers lol.

25 Boeingguy1 : Smallest in terms of airlines or smallest in terms of areas covered? Cause members such as AA, BA and QF are HUGE airlines.
26 Zone1 : MH is going to SkyTeam. In March the CEOs of AF and MH talked about their differences and one of the things that came out of the meeting was a more e
27 SKY1 : That's clear ...but just like Kiwiandrew says, AF "seem to have made it pretty clear that they dont want MH" ...and many people say the same thing. I
28 Ktachiya : I agree with you on this one. Well, I was just talking to one of the FA's on Harmony about two weeks ago. And that the airline in the future wants to
29 MAH4546 : Dude, you answered your own question. oneWorld is the smallest alliance because they are the most selective and have the "best" airlines. While many
30 EddieDude : I'd add AA to your exception Mark, but I do agree. The majority of oneworld carriers have a great reputation and they do live up to it. I am very look
31 Ualcsr : Have you flown American lately? I just got back from MEX, 3 hour international flight, no movie (only CBS Eye on America), no headsets, no food excep
32 KLM685 : oops! Prepare for the battle! Though I must admit that 95% of all users here agree with you. I can't say i agree cuz i haven't flown them, so i'll st
33 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : any airline looking at alliance membership needs to examine the cost / benefit relationship - dont forget that MX have already been down this road on
34 Heathrow : I think WS would be an interesting choice. I can see them prospering, and becomming the next CP. If they start to expand their routes into other count
35 Jayce : Ktachiya, at the moment JL flights do not carry the HQ code. I think at the moment they're in the very early stages of a code-share agreement and hope
36 Centrair : May not be a true defection rumore but NZ decided not to move to T1 with NH and other star members. It chose to stay at T2 due to its stronger ties w
37 SLCUT2777 : I've actually at times suspected there might be a contraction to two with SkyTeam going by the wayside. CO would actually be better off in OneWorld t
38 Challiday : I don't see WestJet joining oneworld, nor any other LCC. They wouldn't allow the other members of the alliance to offer full services for it's pax's.
39 Alaskaqantas : yeah, it was said that AeroLingus was leaving because it was moving more towards a lowcost carrier, but that they will stay close with OneWorld. I wis
40 UAL777UK : Yeah right, you keep on beleiving that...Dude!
41 Nicolasdec : I think TAM might join oneworld.[Edited 2006-06-26 11:11:05]
42 RootsAir : whWhen are they supposed to leave. Guess they were too much of a weak link !
43 N270FT : I think that JJ joining is a real possibility. If and when Varig goes down, I think that TAM will pick up most of the routes, that would add to onewor
44 Boeingguy1 : Um, no... its because they receive little benefit from Oneworld being that British Airways, also a member, is only a stone's throw away from Dublin.
45 FURUREFA : It's also because OW could not provide a consistent product on all their flights. I am not bashing EI, I love them and it is too bad they left OW. Ma
46 Shamrock350 : Early 2007. The airline is planning flights to Asia and more US destinations. Aer Lingus' main input to OW was Irish passengers into LHR to fly with
47 Jfr : What a shame. MH is a nearly perfect fit for oneworld, sitting as it does midway between the CX and QF markets. Joining an alliance which has no Kang
48 BA787 : ] Wish EK would join OW. Would make sense as OW need another Middle Eastern Carrier as Royal Jordanian (is it RJ?) are too small in my view. In fact I
49 UAL777UK : Your kidding right..AA's A300's are a disgrace, apart from the fact they went past their sell by dates about 5 years ago, god only knows how many tim
50 Commavia : Small is not really as important as their value in the context of the alliance's global network. MALEV offers oneworld a strong, local presence in ea
51 Cjpark : Too bad EVA Air cannot be brought into the alliance as well.
52 Pilot21 : EI isn't going to any other alliances, they have made that very clear to oneworld. Instead, they are negotiating independent marketing agreements wit
53 Post contains images Skyhigh : I would love to see then join Oneworld but wont star alliance be trying to woo them as they will have no more South American link? How does entry wor
54 Anthsaun : In the case MX wants to join in, I would say that MX should get a better deal out of it's code share with AA. MX is doing great selling AA tickets but
55 Heathrow : AA: Reasonably good BA: Exceptionally good CX: Exceptionally good AY: Reasonably good IB: well...... LAN: Reasonably good QF: Exceptionally good
56 BA787 : Thought of them myself, And as for all those AA A306'S haters, there is nothing AA can do about them ion the companies current financial state. and a
57 Pilot21 : Plus AA would only get rid of them if another type could be as profitable. From what has been listed on here numerous times before, the cargo uplift
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