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Economy Class Seat - Stripped To The Minimum  
User currently offlineIkarus2006 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10527 times:

I was wondering if anyone of you is aware of any economy class seat currently in use (whether on a regular or a low-cost airline) which has been stripped down to the minimum.

Any airline you are aware of that is currently excluding tables and literature pockets from their seats in order to save weight (or has tested this in the past) ?

Any other weight saving techniques you are aware of?

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

Ryanair is probably the airline with the least of the comforts in economy. You can definitely save weight and maintenance costs by having no seat pockets, no tray tables, and seats that don't recline.


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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
Ryanair is probably the airline with the least of the comforts in economy. You can definitely save weight and maintenance costs by having no seat pockets, no tray tables, and seats that don't recline.

Don't forget no window shades!

I've never flown Airtran, but from what I've heard, you can get impression on the metal support of the econ chairs on your butt from sitting in them for a while...


User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

Quoting Ikarus2006 (Thread starter):
Any airline you are aware of that is currently excluding tables and literature pockets from their seats in order to save weight (or has tested this in the past) ?

As RoseFlyer says, Ryanair is the airline to look at here. On their newer 737-800s, there are no seat back tables (although the emergency exit seats do have tables that pop out of the arm rests). There are no seat back pockets either (so the safety card is stuck to the back of the seat in front of you) and no recline mechanisms on the seats.

Compare the new style cabins to the old style cabins in the photos below:

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User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

Quoting EGNR (Reply 3):
On their newer 737-800s, there are no seat back tables

It certainly looks as if there is tray tables in the first pic above. Unless of course there is a newer seat version without them? You can clearly see the tray table latch and supports on the side.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10365 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 4):
It certainly looks as if there is tray tables in the first pic above. Unless of course there is a newer seat version without them? You can clearly see the tray table latch and supports on the side.

I was just going to say exactly the same thing... In the center of the seat, below the diagram, there appears to be a latch as well as a "landing area" on either side for the latch to hit when rotated 90 degrees...as well as the supports being very clearly visible.



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10340 times:
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About the FL comment-- you are right. AirTran economy seats SUCK if you dont put a pillow between the seat and your bacl but then again, an upgrade to business is cheap and well worth it. Despite the seats, FL is a great airline.

JBLU


User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10306 times:

Quoting EGNR (Reply 3):
Compare the new style cabins to the old style cabins in the photos below:

It would be strange to stare at the seat mounted emergency procedure cards for hours on end.



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User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10252 times:

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 7):

It would be strange to stare at the seat mounted emergency procedure cards for hours on end.

But do many people actually spend a flight just staring at the seat in front of them?


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 4):
It certainly looks as if there is tray tables in the first pic above. Unless of course there is a newer seat version without them? You can clearly see the tray table latch and supports on the side.

I believe there is a latch, but no table. Similar to exit rows on most aircraft in the USA.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10210 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 9):
I believe there is a latch, but no table

Meaning that the airline's MX can modify the seat to be that way, instead of ordering a custom seat (less cost this way).



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User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10125 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 5):
Quoting Miami1 (Reply 4):
It certainly looks as if there is tray tables in the first pic above. Unless of course there is a newer seat version without them? You can clearly see the tray table latch and supports on the side.

I was just going to say exactly the same thing... In the center of the seat, below the diagram, there appears to be a latch as well as a "landing area" on either side for the latch to hit when rotated 90 degrees...as well as the supports being very clearly visible.



Quoting B4real (Reply 9):
Quoting Miami1 (Reply 4):
It certainly looks as if there is tray tables in the first pic above. Unless of course there is a newer seat version without them? You can clearly see the tray table latch and supports on the side.

I believe there is a latch, but no table. Similar to exit rows on most aircraft in the USA.

B4Real is correct - there is a latch, but no table on Ryanair. I wonder if Ryanair have worked out the collective weight of those 189 latches...



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10075 times:

...what on earth is everyone going on about... of course Ryanair still has tray tables!



User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10049 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):
...what on earth is everyone going on about... of course Ryanair still has tray tables!

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Oops... I know what I was thinking of... When I've flown with FR, I was in the emergency exit rows - no table in front of me, but a pop out one in the arm rest.

There is still a catch/latch on the seat back though in the emergency exit rows (I think). However, give my contributions to this post so far, I may be miles out on that too.



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10016 times:

Quoting EGNR (Reply 13):
There is still a catch/latch on the seat back though in the emergency exit rows (I think). However, give my contributions to this post so far, I may be miles out on that too.

I can't speak for FR's fleat, but I have seen that of which you speak in the exit rows of some aircraft in the US... Now, don't ask me to tell you where, though... Part of me really wants to tell you that 11A/F on CO's 733s and 73Gs (which is the seat in front of 14A/F...no complaining about leg room) has the latch, but no table while the other part of me wants to tell you that these aircraft have neither the latch nor the traytable. (Tray table is in the inboard armrest*)

Lincoln

* Why not the outboard is a mystery to me... Putting it in the inboard, more often than not for me means having to wake up the pax next to me to get the table out for a bev service or put it away when finished.



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User currently offlineIkarus2006 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9143 times:

VASU,

Thanks for your reply. Is it correct then that the literature pocket is missing in the Ryanair seat?

And, since we found out FR do have tables, is there still any known airlines actually scrapping them to save weight?


User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8892 times:

Quoting Ikarus2006 (Reply 15):

Thanks for your reply. Is it correct then that the literature pocket is missing in the Ryanair seat?

Yes it is and bloody annoying that is as well.


User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

No airline would remove a tray table... They'd give you a tray table even if it was standing room only!!!
No tray table means no place to but your coffee and sandwich wich would mean no revenue for the airline from overpriced inflight snack service... So I don't think so..

IM


User currently offlineABpositive From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 17):
IMatAMS

Couldn't agree more.


User currently offlineMikester540 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

odd? In that picture (the newer yellow one to the left) I only see the hooks-- not the tables?


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7482 times:

Quoting Mikester540 (Reply 19):
odd? In that picture (the newer yellow one to the left) I only see the hooks-- not the tables?

The dark blue-on-dark blue doesn't help, but if you look closely you can see the the outline of the tray table as well as the metal (gray) support/hinge for the tray table on the asile side.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

If the flight is short.....does it really matter. No one really complains about bus seats not having any foldaway tables or lack of literature pockets. If the journey is under one hour then these are some good methods of reducing weight and reducing the cost of tickets  Smile


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User currently offlineMalmoaviation From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6889 times:

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 7):
It would be strange to stare at the seat mounted emergency procedure cards for hours on end.

If they stare at them for hours, they know exactly how to evacuate, and then it goes faster, and faster = money. It's Ryanair style the whole thing Big grin


User currently offlineFlydreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
I've never flown Airtran, but from what I've heard, you can get impression on the metal support of the econ chairs on your butt from sitting in them for a while...

FL seats are not THAT bad. Their seats on their 73G's are Recaro - the same people who make seats for Ferrari. They are also 18" wide, which is generous for coach. They feel sort of wierd, but they certainly aren't the worst I've been in. Their 717-200 seats aren't as great, but still not terrible. The seats in the AmericaWest CRJ2 I was in a few years ago may qualify as the worst I've ever had to endure.. they did however have tray tables and seatback pockets, so as to avoid looking at the safety card.... a frontier flight attendent yelled at me once for not following along on the safety card... last time i ever flew F9.



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

On my last flight with EZY I got a fresh 319 which unlike earlier deliveries doesn't have recline anymore. Good, if anyone reclined on me on an EZY flight I wouldn't be best pleased to see them in my lap,

Sam



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25 Post contains images AirA380 : Yeah, it scares the hell out off me when I flew from LTN to Rome. keep thinking it is going to crash but it might be very handy in event of emergency
26 Lhrneighbour : My two Ryanair flights last week were on 737-800's. Outgoing we had fabric seats, seat pockets and tables that extended out too. Coming back our 737-8
27 PMN : I flew on EI-DLF when she was less than a week old and the aircraft was equipped with tray tables. In fact all the newer FR 738's I've flown on have h
28 Post contains images Aeroplan73 : Well I didn't notice any in flight entertainment, so you have to look at something.
29 Gopal : If the flight is short, Airlines can really economize on the seats so long as the cost savings are passed on to the passengers. On short haul flights
30 Thering : Airlines should think more about confort when the market is full of choices. See the Delta Shuttle 733, has 35''-37'' pitch economy seats, the plane i
31 Brilondon : It would probably cost more to remove the latches then the amount of fuel savings the weight of the latches would afford
32 B6JFKH81 : B6 is using single-engine taxi procedures to save fuel along with the famous winglet fly-off going on in Europe right now. As for weight, we are doin
33 Bohica : Would those seatback emergency cards be legal in the U.S.? I can see somebody who is bored peeling one off. No. I am not suggesting any U.S. carrier
34 Ualcsr : I flew Ryanair STN-SZG on the new 737-800. We had no seat pocket, but definitely had a non-adjustable tray table. The seats were extremely hard, felt
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