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Varig Today - June 26  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Posted (8 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 8205 times:
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Hi A.Net friends,

I just come back from a long World Cup & Europe trip (Germany, UK, Portugal, Italy and France) and took some fresh news on Varig situation.

1) Fleet
- 2 Boeing 777-200 (PP-VRI and VRJ)
- 3 MD-11 (PP-VTI, PP-VTK and PP-VTP)
- 1 767-300ER (PP-VOJ)
- 9 737-300 (PP-VQN,VNZ,VOZ,SSQ,VON,VOY,VPY,VTA,VPC
- 3 737-400 (PP-VTL,VTM,VTN)
- 1 737-500 (PT-MNH)

2) Routes

Daily International flights:
GIG-FRA / GRU-FRA / GIG-GRU-LHR-CPH / GIG-EZE / GRU-EZE (3x daily, one thru POA)
GIG-GRU-VVI-LIM

International 6x weekly
GIG-GRU-CCS / GRU-MIA-GIG / GRU-SCL-GRU

International 2x weekly
GRU-JFK-GRU

Domestic Destinations
Rio de Janeiro (SDU, GIG) Sao Paulo (CGH, GRU), CWB, POA, FLN, IGU, SSA, REC, FEN, MAO, BEL, BSB

FLN, IGU, FEN, BEL see less than 3 flights per day
BSB runs only 1x GIG, 1x MAO, 2x CGH and 1x GRU
CNF, VIX, NAT, MCZ, AJU, droped.

EZE with premium service only one flight per day from GRU (using MD11)

MIA and JFK receive one of the EuroAtlantic B763.

3) Lessors

Seems that ILFC will put PP-VRB in conditions to fly. PP-VRA (both GE90 powered 777-200ER) is seized at GIG, same to PP-VRC.
Two 738 (PP-VSA and VSB), the two 737-700 (SAF and SAG) as well as the 4 757-200 (VTS, VTT, VTR and VTQ) are all on ground (they have conditions to fly) due to judge decision.

4) Cash

Varig does not have cash on hand

5) Fuel

BR Distribuidora (Petrobras Group) will furnish QAV (fuel) till June 27

6) VELOG

The only (and probably last) chance for Varig. The judge will decide today if it's acceptable the bid from Velog in order to buy RG. In case of a positive decision, VELOG will disburse US$ 20 mm in order RG can fly up to a week before legal procedures take place for a new auction where they will buy Varig legally.

7) Domestic TICKETS

No one is loosing money or their tickets. Tam, Gol and Webjet are accepting RG Tickets, limited to their free seats.

If any of you have any doubt, i will try to obtain the desired information.


Felipe


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1924 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7937 times:
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Thanks for the update. That was very informative.


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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
VELOG will disburse US$ 20 mm

With the 20 milion cash injection by Varig Log, maybe RG will be able to put some more planes in the air rigth? maybe some B733. What about their B732? 3 or 4 years agor they put on operation 5 of this (wich they own, and stay at ground on POA) to suplly their lack of planes. Do you know something about it?



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

The one question that really remains is can RG be salvaged? Is there any way that this airline can really be turned around?

Or wouldn't it, perhaps, be better to simply shut the whole thing down?

I admit that my personal experience might be playing into this, because after my own experience with RG, I'd have to be paid money to fly on them again (and it'd have to be a lot of money)... but even trying to see this from a neutral viewpoint: shouldn't they, just like PA, EA, SN and SR, take their place in the hall of fame of "airlines that used to be prestigious"?



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7850 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 3):
shouldn't they, just like PA, EA, SN and SR, take their place in the hall of fame of "airlines that used to be prestigious"?

NO! RG in the 90s was one of world's most prestigious airlines, and I really think and hope it can become it again! It's only a metter of reestructuration (a big and well coordenated one). One think, even broke, RG still have: It's name. When RG ables to provide a good service again, than it would be easy to conciliate the service to the name, and "restart" for a new and glorious "life".



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 4):
It's only a metter of reestructuration (a big and well coordenated one).

I guess that's - as usual - the biggest problem: will the employees accept what has to be done? Or will they, as in the case of other airlines, try to hang on to what used to be, in the process running their airline into the ground?

If some of the European employees of RG are any indication, I'd say that their chances are less than that of the proverbial snowball in hell - an airline who's employees in pricing don't even know what IATA's tariff conference area 1 is... not just that they didn't know which area it covers (which is bad enough), but they hadn't even heard the term before...

I honestly don't wish a bankrupcy on anyone, but in the case of RG, I just can not imagine how it can be avoided, unless someone new comes on board and radically changes everything about this airline.



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7742 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 5):
will the employees accept what has to be done?

What the employees does not understand is that: With no reestructuration the company will declare insolvent and EVERY employee will lose his job, with the reestructuration, obviously there will be resignations, i think something like 5.300 people, a big part won't lose their jobs.
So now, is a metter of, everybody accepts de reestructuration for some of them hold the jobs, or they continue to act like this, and soon averybody will be dismissed whem RG colapses.



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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7742 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 4):
RG still have: It's name.

Yes, and along with that name comes the thought of a bankrupt carrier, a lackluster bankbook, and a poor reputation



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7723 times:
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Quoting Thering (Reply 2):
With the 20 milion cash injection by Varig Log, maybe RG will be able to put some more planes in the air rigth? maybe some B733. What about their B732? 3 or 4 years agor they put on operation 5 of this (wich they own, and stay at ground on POA) to suplly their lack of planes. Do you know something about it?

Concerning to their 732 fleet, some has been sold, some are on ground at POA facility. The reason they cannot put these birds back is that they will need flight deck staff with 732 valid certification, something that only TAF (from FOR) and RICO probably have. But do you imagine someone from other airline where they receive salaries, changing to fly for Varig ? I doubt.
The money will be used to pay lessors in order to release the fleet nowadays on ground (4 752, 2 738, 2 772, 5 M11, 2 73G) and to pay fuel and daily charges like handling.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 5):
I honestly don't wish a bankrupcy on anyone, but in the case of RG, I just can not imagine how it can be avoided, unless someone new comes on board and radically changes everything about this airline.

Agree 100%, Varig needs a new culture.


Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 7):
bankrupt carrier, a lackluster bankbook, and a poor reputation

That's why a BIGGG reestructuration needs to take place. And the employees need to help on that.



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

Any information on Varig ticket sales? Who would buy tickets on Varig today? Pretty risky I would say.

Also, what a/c are they operation on GRU/MIA route?


User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7629 times:

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 10):
Who would buy tickets on Varig today?

Yes, that's a very big risky thing to do. People are mainly waisting their miles.

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 10):
what a/c are they operation on GRU/MIA route?

They are operating the 763 PP-VOJ, the "Euro Atlantic" onde. That was before used in Charter Flights.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7605 times:
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Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 10):

Hi Tony, sales are restricted to pax at the airport without other options and with the plane at the gate, as well as FF tickets.

Code-share on Alitalia MXP-GRU route has been dropped today by AZ and no more tickets issued by Varig after June 21st will be accepted.

Air France/KLM announce today they will not accept more pax from RG.

GRU-MIA-GIG is runing with 767-300ER from EuroAtlantic.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Thanks for that thorough update Felipe. One question . . .

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
International 2x weekly
GRU-JFK-GRU

They had previously said that JFK and LAX were going to be ended and only 1x daily to MIA would remain in the US. Has that changed? Are they really going to do JFK twice a week?


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7503 times:

We were advised today by APAVT (Port. Travel and Tourism Assoc.) that RG had been removed from IATA's clearing house system, but whilst they were still in BSP, we were recommended not to book RG as their tickets may soon be worthless and not honoured by other carriers.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7489 times:
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Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 13):
They had previously said that JFK and LAX were going to be ended and only 1x daily to MIA would remain in the US. Has that changed? Are they really going to do JFK twice a week?

Yes, it has been changed. They have a huge base of customers and ticket sold for their JFK service. This is why they change and include a 2x weekly service using EuroAtlantic aircraft. This will allow all pax to travel even with a 2 days delay.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

When will this RG lovers wake up and face that the company is literally dead!

It's name and image have been ruined!!!! If you ask anyone in the Brazilian streets whether they would buy a RG ticket again, I'm pretty sure the most of them would refuse! The airline is broke!!! There is nothing to it!!! It's only a matter of time! Although I gotta admit that Brazilan press has been contributing for RG's demise!!!!


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
1) Fleet
- 2 Boeing 777-200 (PP-VRI and VRJ)
- 3 MD-11 (PP-VTI, PP-VTK and PP-VTP)
- 1 767-300ER (PP-VOJ)
- 9 737-300 (PP-VQN,VNZ,VOZ,SSQ,VON,VOY,VPY,VTA,VPC
- 3 737-400 (PP-VTL,VTM,VTN)
- 1 737-500 (PT-MNH)

Total: 19

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
3) Lessors

And... out of service...

@ GIG:

B737-800 PP-VSA (seized-ILFC)
B737-800 PP-VSB (seized-ILFC)
B737-300 PT-SSK - RioSul
B737-300 PT-MNK - Nordeste
B737-700 PR-SAG (seized-ILFC)
B737-300 PP-VOO
B737-500 PT-SLW - RioSul
B737-500 PT-MND - Nordeste
B737-300 PP-VTB
B737-300 PP-VPC
B737-300 PP-VOW
B737-500 PT-MNI - Nordeste
B737-300 PP-VQZ
B757-200 PP-VTR (seized-ILFC)
B757-200 PP-VTT (seized-ILFC)
B757-200 PP-VTQ (seized-ILFC)

MD-11: PP-VQH/VTJ/VQJ/VTH/VQF/VQX

B777-200: PP-VRA/VRB (seized ILFC) VRC (seized)/VRD/VRF

767-300ER: PP-VOJ/VOI/ex-PP-VPV

@ POA

B737-300 PT-MNL - all white
B737-300 PP-VPB
B737-300 PP-VOT
B737-300 PP-VQO
B737-300 PP-VOS
B737-300 PP-VNT
B737-400 PP-VTO

@ BSB

MD-11 PP-VQG (hard landing)

@ JFK

B777-200 PP-VRE (seized)

Total: 39

ghooost77 APM



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User currently offlineLegallykev From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

My partner is flying from Toronto to Santiago via Sao Paulo this evening. They seemed to have changed all the passengers originally booked on the Varig flight from Sao Paulo to Santiago to a LAN Chile flight... When I talked to the women at AC Check In she told me that nobody really knows what the hell is going on... They're just waiting along with the rest of us.

User currently offlineJrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 6913 times:

VarigLog will disburse the money on a daily basis to Varig until the auction. Today VarigLog deposited R$8M (approx USD3,5M). If VarigLog does not buy Varig in the auction the buyer will have to repay VarigLog's loan with a premium of 10%.

The good news for the auction is that NV Participações and its sponsor TGV (Varig's employees) cannot take part and bid in the auction, because of the default in their offer.

Today the judge, Varig and VarigLog agreed to postpone the decision about VarigLog's offer to Wednesday afternoon, so VarigLog and Varig may develop the offer and the business plan and clarify some doubts the judge and Varig's judicial administrator (Deloitte) had about the offer and the plan.

As of today, all odds in Court House were for the approval of VarigLog's offer and plan, but it is necessary to have VarigLog clarifying the judge's doubts and also to have a new auction to sell the company


User currently offlineDeputydawghere From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Thanks for the update bud. I sure hope Varig pulls out of their current situation and continues to fly.


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User currently offlineMalmoaviation From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Thanks for the update. I saw my last (I hope by God that it will not be my last seen) Varig aircraft on CPH airport 13th of April this year. A MD-11, and It looked so shiny. If they don't make It I hope that they will be born again, and that I will see the same MD-11 that I saw before, again. Maybe at ARN instead of CPH?  Smile

User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

Varig needs Lufthansa to buy it. Have Lufthansa run it just like how Lufthansa runs swiss. Then the airline will be strict no fun but on time and profitable  Wink

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4655 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
MIA and JFK receive one of the EuroAtlantic B763.

If my infos are right, two EuroAtlantic 763s are currently in Brazil, do both of them fly right now ? They are in Varig Charter livrery.

FB.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4515 times:
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Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 23):
If my infos are right, two EuroAtlantic 763s are currently in Brazil, do both of them fly right now ? They are in Varig Charter livrery

You're right. PP-VTC and PP-VTE. One of them is used during the day on GIG-BSB-MAO service, one is used on US routes during all the day.

Felipe



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25 Donzilasse : I flew from MIA to GIG on RG on June 9th. At that flight they used MD11 but when returned it was the VOJ (767/300 star Alliance) on the 14th. Actually
26 Saturn5 : Was there ever an attempt to seriously restructure Varig make it "lean and mean"? It seems their management is in a deep sleep.
27 FMAL : Though nobody is buying Varig tickets now, I believe the situation might change if somebody with money bought the airline. If VarigLog actually buy th
28 Lamedianaranja : So who's gonna bring the 5.500 soccer fans home from Germany after Sunday when Brasil wins the World Cup hopefully? Many of them hold RG tickets, righ
29 Alitalia744 : Any pics of the planes parked at GRU? or GIG?
30 Ktachiya : Just My opinion but JL must be really making a profit after RG pulled its NRT-LAX-GRU sector. JL says they are going to upgrade to the planes with the
31 LipeGIG : Flights to FRA seems to be the only where people keep buying tickets due to the fact that the demand keeps strong and the high number of brazilians a
32 Thering : Absolutely! Now JL is the only airline that has BRAZIL/ASIA flights! Varig has code-share with LH in FRA/PEK and there is always the option of flying
33 LipeGIG : The NY judge, Mr. Robert Drain just extend the protection against lessors but stated that Lessors can ask Varig to return their planes back. The prote
34 Jrosa : What is VRB's status?
35 LipeGIG : Need an engine at GIG CEMAN facility. Rumors that ILFC will fix it. Felipe
36 SABE : Any news today, Thursday Jun 29?
37 FMAL : They're still asking VarigLog for more details on their proposal (the judge that is).
38 LipeGIG : More info: - They load a new timetable into the system: a) No GRU-FRA service, pax need to run a GRU-GIG flight and from GIG the GIG-FRA non stop (the
39 SABE : Thanks FMAL & Lipe! So, the acquisition by Velog is likely to occur? How many employees does RG have now? I guess a lot more than 3,000?
40 LipeGIG : Around 11,000 ! Felipe
41 FMAL : What needs to be seen is what exactly are Velog's intentions with Varig. Is it mearly to maintain their cargo services on Varig's passenger planes, or
42 LipeGIG : Felipe, i believe their first intention is to keep their cargo network needs as their fleet is very limited. If they could run a profitable operation
43 Viasa : I have the PP-VTH stored at Venice (VCE) as N285UP. But what's about the PP-VQK.
44 Thering : I am flying VARIG GRU/MIA on july 20th. How are their MIA operations now? Should I get another flight?
45 LipeGIG : It's from Boeing and nowadays stored at GIG with more 3 M11: PP-VQG/VQH/VQJ Velog is under negotiations to use such aircrafts as soon as the new auct
46 OB1504 : According to one of the above posts, MIA service has been halted. I've heard that AA's 777s are nice, though.
47 LipeGIG : Varig intend to return the service to MIA and JFK on July 9. I believe if Varig is not running MIA route, he will fly JJ. Felipe
48 Thering : But do you think I will fly JJ in the same day? I'm flying business class, i this case is easier to change to JJ right? Hope they change to JJ, 180º
49 TACAA320 : Thanks a lot FMAL & Lipe! How many employees does Varig have ?
50 Ghost77 : Near to 11,000 thousand! ghooost77 APM
51 Post contains images TACAA320 : My God. That's a lot of people risking their jobs in case of an eventual bankruptcy of RG...
52 LipeGIG : Thering, be ready even for a downgrade as Tam on MIA flights keep a very impressive demand for both C and F classes. You will fly, don't know in whic
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