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The Future Of BA Connect  
User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

I was wondering how BA Connect are doing now their new business model is in force. Is the low cost idea proving profitable or is it still too early to tell?

The name BA Connect strikes me as a bizarre choice, seeing as they don't actually connect to other BA services.

So what does the future hold for BA Connect?

I imagine Willie Walsh has got some kind of plan under his sleeve... whether it be growing the low cost arm of BA in the regions (with more routes such as the recently announced service to TFS from EMA), or making the airline into something more to do with the name "Connect", by providing feeder services for long haul services from LHR and LGW.

Why doesn't BA Connect operate feeder services into their long haul hubs? Is it because of slot availability? Apart from NCL, MAN, EDI and GLA, there is little choice for domestic connections.

I seem to remember reading on this forum a while ago that KL actually operate to more airports in the UK than BA does. Is there demand for connections to LHR and LGW from places such as DSA, LBA, MME, CWL, PLY, BLK and others?

I'd be interested to know what others think on this topic. Will BA Connect ever become an airline that "connects"?


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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5974 times:

Certainly one of the main Uk airports for Connect is BHX and there is no flights to LHR or LGW. it is amazing when you cal some cruise lines, reservations based in US and they cannot beleive there is no flight.

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

It is stupid at the moment. The BHX situaion is a right palava and for BA not to use LBA is just stupid

User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5943 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
The name BA Connect strikes me as a bizarre choice, seeing as they don't actually connect to other BA services.

It's called BA Connect because it connects the regions

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
So what does the future hold for BA Connect?

If it doesn't make a profit within 2 years, BA will most likely disopse of it.

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
seem to remember reading on this forum a while ago that KL actually operate to more airports in the UK than BA does. Is there demand for connections to LHR and LGW from places such as DSA, LBA, MME, CWL, PLY, BLK and others?

England is BA's home airpot, they can't compete from all of the U.K's airports, for example, BA fly to more destinations in America than any of the American carriers.
There's no point BA wasting aircrafts on routes which won't make money.

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
Why doesn't BA Connect operate feeder services into their long haul hubs? Is it because of slot availability? Apart from NCL, MAN, EDI and GLA, there is little choice for domestic connections.

BA want the major airport slots to stay with mainline, no point waisting an LHR slot on an RJ100, when you could use it to land a 744.

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 1):
Certainly one of the main Uk airports for Connect is BHX and there is no flights to LHR or LGW. it is amazing when you cal some cruise lines, reservations based in US and they cannot beleive there is no flight.

LHR-BHX is shorter than LHR-MAN, so i'd say a flight time of 30-40mins, see the above post why BA don't use slots for these flights.
Bigger planes/long-haul =£££
Smaller planes/short-haul =£

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
Is the low cost idea proving profitable or is it still too early to tell?

Probably too early still to tell.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 2):
and for BA not to use LBA is just stupid

There is a reason why BA don't use LBA, if there was enough money to be made, BA would serve it, this is what people don't get.

Wrighbrothers.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
Is there demand for connections to LHR and LGW from places such as DSA, LBA, MME, CWL, PLY, BLK and others?

Demand - Yes
Will BA fly the routes - No. For LHR they have better uses for the slots and all LGW offers is a bunch of leisure destinations plus ATL. DFW and IAH that BA will move to LHR as soon as they can

Its worth pointing out form your list of destinations that the regional arm of BA, under ones of its many names/brands, has flown LGW-LBA and LGW-Plymouth before. LGW-Plymouth/Newquay got taken over by Air Southwest and is still operated today



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User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

I think at the moment it can be summed up as crossed fingers. I've heard mixed reports - some people say it's working well, some say planes are empty, and the staff at MAN that I've spoken to don't look too pleased.

I just wish BA would realise they need new ac to revitalise the operation, buy a fleet of E170s and make MAN a mini mega hub and aggressively compete with other airlines rather than fold under pressure (like with the MAN-ZRH) route. Normally I wake up at this point Big grin


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 3):
England is BA's home airpot, they can't compete from all of the U.K's airports, for example

Sorry, you've lost me there?????


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

I'm confused, please explain this to me.

I'm flying to MAN meet on SN. Snack, drink and all that. On the return leg I'm booked on SN flight number and on the itinerary it says "operated by Ba CitiExpress".

Is it BA connect? What's the difference? I'm flying their BAe 142 and I thoought I get the same level of service as on SN.

Am I wrong?

Ba Connect? BA CitiExpress? The same thing?

Regards,
LO231



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

Quoting LO231 (Reply 7):
BAe 142

BaE-146? whats that? Did you mean BaE-146(Arvo)?



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

Quoting LO231 (Reply 7):
Ba Connect? BA CitiExpress? The same thing?

CitiExpress rebranded as BA Connect in March of this year.

The name change brought with it the end of business class and free refreshments. Other than that, it should be a good service!



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User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 8):
Quoting LO231 (Reply 7):
BAe 142

BaE-146? whats that? Did you mean BaE-146(Arvo)?

I mean BAe 146-200, the code is 142. On Galileo that I work with.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 9):
CitiExpress rebranded as BA Connect in March of this year.

The name change brought with it the end of business class and free refreshments. Other than that, it should be a good service

What service is it then? Smile from an F/A? I get that all the time from BA, but also a sandwich or something from LHR-BRU. I think this is a no-frills flight and if I knew before, I'd fly SN metal, I'm stressed enough at the airport before the flight, so I prefer not to look for snacks while running out of foreign currency. Or using cards. But oh well.

Regards,
LO231



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

Quoting LO231 (Reply 10):
I mean BAe 146-200, the code is 142. On Galileo that I work with.

That indeed is the correct IATA designator code for the type of aircraft in question. One of these...


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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3706 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 1):
Certainly one of the main Uk airports for Connect is BHX and there is no flights to LHR or LGW.

Well since the M40 practically connects LHR & BHX I'd be surprised if many opted for this. If BA are the sole operator on the route it is likely to be pricey too, for example I've flown from Richmond the 100 miles to Dulles a couple of times on United Express. The flight is 23mins long, no service and cost me $270 return on a completely restricted 'shit or bust' fare. Incidentally unrestricted fares are pver $1200! The two airports are similar distance apart as LHR and BHX and also connected by interstate door to door.

BA will operate routes it can serve best and make most money on. Sure, there are some places it doesn't currently serve that they could make bucketloads on but then again they are looking to utilise a finite amount of aircraft on a finite amount of slots and therefore cherrypicking those to moneymakers is logical.



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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

BA Connect's business plan is on track for making good the current deficit. Loads are good on some routes, less so on others. Overall the future looks rather more rosy than operations as BACX. How it will pan out in the long term is anyones guess.

It may be that BA plan to get it working well to sell it anyway. No sense in dumping an organisation that is in debt when with a bit of work you can make a product that someone would WANT to buy.

Whatever the future, at the moment we have some positive noises coming out of management, something that has been sadly lacking for the past few years.

As for MAN

Quoting DavidT (Reply 5):
I just wish BA would realise they need new ac to revitalise the operation, buy a fleet of E170s and make MAN a mini mega hub and aggressively compete with other airlines rather than fold under pressure (like with the MAN-ZRH) route. Normally I wake up at this point

BA are NOT going to invest in new euqipment unless the airline at least shows signs of making a promising recovery, and there is a way to go before that happens. They can't just snap their fingers and produce a new fleet. MAN itself has suffered a lot of job losses and upheaval, which is why the staff there are a touch on the dour side.

So, it may appear that BAC are still "failing" but signs are good and the general feeling is of cautious optimism. And my interest? I work for them - I NEED them to succeed more than the interested outsiders here do.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5553 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
Why doesn't BA Connect operate feeder services into their long haul hubs?

Demand? When British Midland (as it then was) operated BHX-LHR I believe they downgraded from a BAe ATP to a Shorts 360 before discontinuing the service. And if Birmingham and the West Midlands does not generate enough traffic it is unlikely that other airports like BRS or LBA will do so.

That was perhaps fifteen years ago. Today the only airlines that have enough slots to operate smaller 'regional' aircraft into LHR are LH and KL although BM does operate an occasional ERJ140 into that airport.


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5540 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 3):
England is BA's home airpot, they can't compete from all of the U.K's airports, for example

Sorry, you've lost me there?????

It's BA job to serve the bussiest routes from the U.K , and to fly to more destinations than others internationaly, and the same goes for other carriers, I don't see AA flying from BWI,SEA,PHL etc,
You can't make a profit out of flying from somewhere like BRS/BHX if the limited market is served by another carrier.

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineFlymya380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

I will be flying with ba connect next month to from bhx to gla i cant believe what i payed for the flight.

FLIGHT PRICE £0.00 (RETURN)
TAXES £45.00

I could'nt drive there & back for that price.

Can anyone tell me how they can survive offering this sort of deal???????



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 3):
There is a reason why BA don't use LBA, if there was enough money to be made, BA would serve it, this is what people don't get.

LBA is one of the fastest developing airports in the country. If BA Connect set up a base there they could offer flights to Europe which is why Jet2 are so popular, they have no competition. An LHR or BHX flight would be great for BA. BD already serve this flight and that is one of the reasons they are at LBA. It is popular with northern businessmen.

Tom


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3706 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5486 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 17):
LBA is one of the fastest developing airports in the country. If BA Connect set up a base there they could offer flights to Europe which is why Jet2 are so popular, they have no competition. An LHR or BHX flight would be great for BA. BD already serve this flight and that is one of the reasons they are at LBA. It is popular with northern businessmen.

But BA consider they can make more money by utilising their aircraft on different routes. You need to read the other posts made on the thread before starting the race to have the highest post count. I gave a logical answer to your point here:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 12):
BA will operate routes it can serve best and make most money on. Sure, there are some places it doesn't currently serve that they could make bucketloads on but then again they are looking to utilise a finite amount of aircraft on a finite amount of slots and therefore cherrypicking those to highest moneymakers is logical.

If that is confusing you then consider this as an analogy....You have £10,000 to invest and are shopping about on the high street. You can put it in a current account earning 1% and still earn interest or put it in an ISA earning 5.5%. Which are you going to choose? LBA are the 1% earning and EDI, DME wherever are the 5.5%.



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User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 17):
LBA is one of the fastest developing airports in the country. If BA Connect set up a base there they could offer flights to Europe which is why Jet2 are so popular, they have no competition. An LHR or BHX flight would be great for BA. BD already serve this flight and that is one of the reasons they are at LBA. It is popular with northern businessmen.

But there's not enough money to be made for BA's liking, understand this, BA is a business, it's not government owned, so they don't HAVE to serve LBA, it's all about profit, not enough money or another route with more interest and money to be earned will get the spare flights.
BA are using their aircrafts to a tight schedule, the last thing BA need is to waste an A320 going to BHX, if it can go to CDG and earn double the money.
That's the bottom line.

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5261 times:

Quoting Flymya380 (Reply 16):
Can anyone tell me how they can survive offering this sort of deal???????

Although they say the fare is free, I somehow doubt taxes for a short internal flight would be GBP45.00.

Me things that calculation isn't entirely honest!

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
Demand? When British Midland (as it then was) operated BHX-LHR I believe they downgraded from a BAe ATP to a Shorts 360 before discontinuing the service. And if Birmingham and the West Midlands does not generate enough traffic it is unlikely that other airports like BRS or LBA will do so.

The difference between BHX and most other regional airports in the UK is the proximity to LHR. There isn't a service between the two because the motorways and fast rail services exist.

LBA, CWS, PLY, DSA, BPL etc are different in that respect; it takes longer to get from them to LHR or LGW by land.

I think the demand is there (hence the success of KL connecting AMS with many UK airports), but the slots at LHR are not.

Mind you, is there room at LGW for a few more domestic connections?

Quoting BA787 (Reply 17):
f BA Connect set up a base there they could offer flights to Europe which is why Jet2 are so popular

Apologies if this sounds snobby, but I think LS and BA aim at different markets!

BA have tried LBA and pulled out because they evaluated they could make more money elsewhere.



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 20):
Although they say the fare is free, I somehow doubt taxes for a short internal flight would be GBP45.00.

Me things that calculation isn't entirely honest!

Given that BA is facing a price fixing probe I really don't think totally dishonesty with prices would be the smartest move. It will be a genuine fare - what's called a headline fare basically, not many available but if you book them well in advance you can get them. I fly Southampton-Manchester tomorrow (Coming back Tuesday) and the fare was £1.25 each way plus taxes of £46, making it £48. £16 of that fare is the fuel surcharge, about £2 a security and insurance surcharge, the rest being airposrt tax. But I bought that a couple of months ago, so BA have had that money off me then. If I wanted to book the same flights today it would cost me £76 return plus the same taxes, making £122!



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 17):
LBA is one of the fastest developing airports in the country. If BA Connect set up a base there they could offer flights to Europe which is why Jet2 are so popular, they have no competition. An LHR or BHX flight would be great for BA. BD already serve this flight and that is one of the reasons they are at LBA. It is popular with northern businessmen.

Until the day Bmi have a long haul service that will displace this domestic slot....

As for LBA being one of the fastest developing airport is in the country, I'm afriad despite Jet2 that is not the case. CAA figures show 10% growth in passengers in 2005, but that is still lower growth than LCY, LTN, BRS, MME, EXE, LPL, SOU, etc, of the more established airports.

Problem for LBA is it only seems to be Jet2 expanding the airport. They really need some other carriers flying there to provide real growth and to protect the airport should something ever happen to Jet2.



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User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 13):
BA are NOT going to invest in new euqipment unless the airline at least shows signs of making a promising recovery

That's the catch 22, BACON need newer ac to really compete (an Avro can't compete cost wise with an A320) but they'll only get new ac when they're recovering.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5111 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 22):
Problem for LBA is it only seems to be Jet2 expanding the airport. They really need some other carriers flying there to provide real growth and to protect the airport should something ever happen to Jet2.

I'm being a bit optimistic I admit but I think there is room for expansion and that it wpould be extremely profitable for sertain airlines and routes Flights to the Middle East would be an excellent money maker, Bradford is very multicultural and a link would be excellent although it is already ofered with PIA to Pakistan. These flights are always full and a seasonal flight would be excellent at LBA

Tom


25 ANstar : It's much easier to catch a train for 1h30 trhan fuss about getting to LHR, checking in early, flying to BHX, getting into Birmingham etc
26 MainMAN : LBA-BHX is too short a sector to be viable. From LBA, LHR was always traditionally BD territory, going back to the time when UK domestic air routes w
27 David_itl : Given the usual BACon tech aircraft that MAN attracts like flies, it's more likely to be a Flightline or Titan 146. However, there's a a moderate cha
28 BBJII : Flying time from LCY-BHX is 20 minutes on a RJ100. BA used to reposition the LCY-CDG aircraft every friday from LCY to BHX as there was no saturday s
29 Wrighbrothers : MAN,BHX,BRS,EDI,GLA CWL (I think) and BFS are all served by international carriers, and not by BA (bar MAN) also consider that AA wanted to start a s
30 Sam1987 : I'd agree with that. AMS can cope with lots of regional traffic along with everything else, whilst LHR cannot.
31 BMIE70 : I realise that it would be a large increase in capacity but do think that BACON might inherit some of BAs Gatwick 737 fleet? This might allow them to
32 Post contains images Skidmarks : This was vaguely hinted at, although not in so many words. Unfortunately this is something of a "suck it and see" situation. There are so many rumour
33 Post contains images Skidmarks : This was vaguely hinted at, although not in so many words. Unfortunately this is something of a "suck it and see" situation. There are so many rumour
34 Pe@rson : It takes considerably more than rebranding and a slight effort at reformation and rationalisation to make a low-cost carrier. Indeed, I am rather curi
35 BA787 : I'm sure ive posted this before but I have an idea for BA-con They keep Bacon as it is but make it a strictly no frills airline for the cheap airfare
36 Skymonster : Booked short notice, off peak flights, BHX-CDG-BHX, Air France were significantly cheaper than BA Connect, and AF provide a sandwich and a couple of b
37 Pe@rson : Airlines* - and especially low-cost carriers - must revolve, amongst other things, around simplicity. Pure and simple. Your suggestion is laughable a
38 MainMAN : This kind of concept might work from London, Paris or New York, but not from anywhere else. There is a hardcore of corporate business passengers from
39 Provance : sounds more like a cheap burger then an airline
40 Rdwootty : The idea of a "Business Class" airline from BHX is a dodo...Remember Mearsk who wanted to be.. the businessmans friend and failed getting either the b
41 BA787 : Thanks mate It was only a theory, don't take it too seriously and note the size of the business aircraft I suggested. And yes simplicity is great if
42 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Just to add, BA will no doubt return to PLH as and when either a new airport is built or the runway is extended to take larger aircraft. Their pullou
43 Highpeaklad : I'm flying ONT-LAX next month - a distance of 46 miles! SFO- LAX-ONT return is about £5 more than SFO-LAX, I'm only going to ONT to fly on an EMB120
44 Lhrmaccoll : That sounds unrealistic A
45 Lhrmaccoll : Oh hold on, do you mean flying out of London and Manchester or just generally?
46 Wrighbrothers : Sorry, I mean more destinations than any America carrier flys to England from. Wrighbrothers
47 Flymya380 : I THINK A Birmingham - International (Elmdon) (BHX / EGBB), United Kingdom">BHX TO LONDON CITY WOULD BE A GREAT ROUTE. I LIVE IN THE MIDLANDS (ABOUT 2
48 Flymya380 : Dont ask what happened to the text. Its gone haywire
49 MainMAN : Yes, it'd be a try for VLM but they'd have to get the evening return departure time right.
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