Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
AA's MD-80 Fleet and its future, thoughts?  
User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months ago) and read 11473 times:

With more than 230 MD-82/83 on it's fleet, AA should star thinking on a long term substitution for tham! They still have 47 B737-800 on order, and are already operating 77 of this! This 47 738 can replace very well the MD-80s, but, will AA substitute tham all for 738? Hardly!
They should think on getting some B737-700 for less demand runs, as well as the new 737-900ER, that on a farer future can replace also their B757s!

If they restar to grow, they can as well think of a plane the size of the F100 (that they stopped using but didn't replaced), a good one for this would be the EMB 195 (since they already operate the ERJ-145 family).


146 319 320 321 332 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 742 743 744 762 763 772 773 CRJ ER4 100 F50 F27 M11 D10
70 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months ago) and read 11467 times:

Dude this thread has been up so many times.

But yes get rid of the MD-80's.



Don't Tread On Me!
User currently offlineMaartenV From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months ago) and read 11393 times:

I think the MD80s won't leave AA at least for another decade as they think there is not a suitable replacement available at this moment. They are probably waiting for the '737RS' (and less likely the A320 NG) to arrive before they make a decision on replacing the MD80.

Another option would be to re-engine the MD80s (something they are actually studying right now) with a more modern, silent and efficient engine in order to lengthen the lifespan of the MD80 at AA significantly and then they could turn in to the NW DC9's of AA...

If they ever take delivery of those 738s, it will just be for urgent expansion, but I think they will work out a deal with Boeing and convert them in to orders for the '737RS', if they will ever order it.



Its all about supply and demand...
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

A friend of mine at AA has heard what he deems as pure speculation, but AA may take the 737-800s and retire the oldest 40 to 60 MD-80s. These planes flew a lot of short and medium-haul routes, since they were delivered in 1983-85, and AA didn't start using MD-80s on longer routes, such as ORD-LAX and DFW-SEA until 1994. It will depend how how expensive the C-Checks become for the oldest MD-80s.

When AA signed its 20-year contract with Boeing, the plan was that the F100/MD-80/727-200 would be replaced with the 737-600/-700/-800. AA determined that the 737-600 was not a good plane for flying the short and medium-haul routes flown by the Fokkers. Finances simply don't allow for the replacement of the MD-80 fleet for some time, although the bulk of the 727 fleet was replaced with the -800.

My friend has also heard that AA is looking into putting new engines on the MD-80, especially with oil at $70 a barrel.

As for the long term, AA would like a plane that could replace the MD-80, say around 135 seats with transcon range, as well as a version that would fly 100 or so people on routes of 250 to 1500 miles. Supposedly, management has looked at the Embrear 190s to replace the F100s, but that would be introducing an additional aircraft type, which AA doesn't want to do.

Considering that AA still has about 400 production slots left under its contract with Boeing, my guess is that Boeing will seriously consider AA's needs as it starts on the replacement for the 737NG.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11062 times:

I was chatting with a pilot at MIA. He said that it can go two ways with the 737 deliveries. Either, wait to be the launch customer for the 737RS (or the under devolopment new 737) or take eventual delivery of the 40-60 738s. Its a tough call but i'll bet that it all depends on how expensive the supposed new engines on the Super 80s will be.

I still enjoy those Mad Dogs! But the 738s are better.

Tommy in EWR/LAX



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineRavel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11042 times:

There's nothing wrong with MD-80 - they are good planes. And AA has a lot of them and won't be getting rid of them soon. Perhaps they should re-engine them and use them still just like NWA did with their DC-9's.

And the topic of this thread could be more descriptive...


User currently offlineTWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10959 times:

This has been discussed many times.

But it's still an interesting topic, since AA has a real problem on their hands for several reasons:

1. the MD-80s are not terribly fuel efficient for today's standards.
2. Re-engining the planes is expensive and disruptive.
3. Taking delivery of the 737s now will forego their possible options on the Y1
4. Waiting for the Y1 will cost a lot of fuel running the MD-80s
5. A lot of passengers aren't fans of the Maddogs, (i personally like them)
6. It's a huge fleet to replace, any decision that is made has long
reaching future effects for the airline. Lots of pressure on this decision

I think AA is going to wait to see what happens to fuel prices over the next year or two before making such a huge decision.

Here is Arpey's comments on how the current fuel spike is affecting AA. He says they have simply not found a logistically feasable engine replacement for the MD-80s at this time...
http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=5022

On an interesting and related note, AA plans to remove the rear galleys in the MD-80s later this year and add 4 extra seats... these 4 extra seats across the entire 300+ fleet add up to the capacity of 10 extra planes!
http://www.tandt.com/.%5Ctravel_update_20060209.asp



We're your kind of airline. Uh, I mean, We *were* your kind of airline.
User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10919 times:

if it aint boeing we aint going. AA will look to boeing for the replacement. when boeing produces a plane that can do the job witch i imagine will be within the next 5 years years. AA will start phaseing out it's older md-80s about 40-50 a year according to an AA pilot I talked to at DIA.

User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10723 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 3):
but that would be introducing an additional aircraft type, which AA doesn't want to do.

Remember that they operate Embraer aircraft on American Eagle, the ERJ-135/140/145. I think that the 190/195 and even some 175 would be good for AA to operate on ex-F100 routes! Their smaller plane, 738, is to big for certain routes!



146 319 320 321 332 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 742 743 744 762 763 772 773 CRJ ER4 100 F50 F27 M11 D10
User currently offlineTWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10643 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 8):
Remember that they operate Embraer aircraft on American Eagle, the ERJ-135/140/145. I think that the 190/195 and even some 175 would be good for AA to operate on ex-F100 routes! Their smaller plane, 738, is to big for certain routes!

All the American Eagle routes are actually run by independent airlines that utilize AA's booking network. It is an agreement that allows AA to have other small regional airlines (all of whom are called American Eagle) funnel passengers into its hubs to connect with mainline AA flights.

The American Eagle operators are separate companies, AA does not actually own any of the ERJs.



We're your kind of airline. Uh, I mean, We *were* your kind of airline.
User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1246 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10585 times:

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 9):
All the American Eagle routes are actually run by independent airlines that utilize AA's booking network. It is an agreement that allows AA to have other small regional airlines (all of whom are called American Eagle) funnel passengers into its hubs to connect with mainline AA flights.

The American Eagle operators are separate companies, AA does not actually own any of the ERJs.

Are you sure about this? I thought that a small portion of the AAeagle fleet was other airlines, but the vast majority of them were actual AMR owned aircraft?



Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10564 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 10):
Are you sure about this? I thought that a small portion of the AAeagle fleet was other airlines, but the vast majority of them were actual AMR owned aircraft?

Thought the same..



146 319 320 321 332 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 742 743 744 762 763 772 773 CRJ ER4 100 F50 F27 M11 D10
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9211 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

I agree with the threadstarter. Get rid of the MD80s in favor of the 738. They already fly 738s with more on order... Just my twocents...


Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10522 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):

Yes, even the MD-80 are not bad planes, they have too much of that, so any replacement plan will be very long, so, the sooner they start, the sooner they finish. I see AA MD-80s replacement plan as a 10 or even 15 years process.



146 319 320 321 332 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 742 743 744 762 763 772 773 CRJ ER4 100 F50 F27 M11 D10
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10514 times:

Sure, get rid of the Mad Dogs. They are only 20 years old, and for DC9/MD80's, they are only middleaged, with another 20 years left. Maybe to NW to replace their oldest DC-9's?  biggrin 
Would they dump the leftovers from TWA first before they dump ones they bought/leased directly?


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9211 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10504 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 13):
Yes, even the MD-80 are not bad planes, they have too much of that, so any replacement plan will be very long, so, the sooner they start, the sooner they finish. I see AA MD-80s replacement plan as a 10 or even 15 years process.

Of course it will. Their MD80 fleet is almost as large as WN's entire fleet of 737s if not even larger than that! This will not be a "'poof' and done" deal. This will take some time. And I agree with that last part due to what I just stated. The sooner they start the sooner they finish and have a better, more efficient fleet...



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10495 times:

Honestly the MD-80 is my favurite for short-medium haul just behind the A320/318/319/321.

User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10495 times:

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 9):
The American Eagle operators are separate companies, AA does not actually own any of the ERJs.

American Eagle is a wholly owned subsidiary of the AMR corp. American Connection carriers; Chautauqua, Trans States and Regions Air operate out of the St. Louis hub only.


User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10487 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 14):
Maybe to NW to replace their oldest DC-9's?

Maybe NW could get some of AA's MD-80s, and maybe DL's could get some also to replace 732 and the oldest MD-80/90s.



146 319 320 321 332 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 742 743 744 762 763 772 773 CRJ ER4 100 F50 F27 M11 D10
User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10478 times:

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 9):
The American Eagle operators are separate companies, AA does not actually own any of the ERJs.

American Eagle is a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR, which American is too. American Connection is a name developed to cover the former TWA Express flights out of St. Louis with carriers Trans States and Chataqua. The only other exception would be some of the flying out of San Juan. If I am not mistaken, that operation is not wholly owned by AMR, but it maybe. Someone more close to Eagle may know how that works.

But on the whole, AE is owned by AMR, parent company of American.

As for an MD-80 replacement... the company has long said the aircraft is too big for some markets and not big enough for others. One aircraft type can't not effectively replace the fleet. I think in the long term AA will operate three aircraft types: EMB 190s or something similar, Y1 (the new 737 which will cover capacity and range from the smallest 73G to the 757) and the 787, which too will have variants to handle range and capacity from the 757 all the way up to the 777. Of course there will be several variants, but on the whole only three fleet types.

As mentioned above, AA's biggest problem now is they are between generations of aircraft. With Y1 coming around the corner from Boeing and Airbus considering a next generation A320, they are righly reluctant to order a couple hundred aircraft with yesterday's technology when the latest and greatest is around the corner.

I've kept this to myself and a few others, but AA has been negotiating with Airbus for the past three months on an A320/A319 order. The original deal talked about would include a mix of aircraft with 119 frames in all, including 19 A319LRs. As much as people say AA will never go Airbus, don't be so sure. At the same token, it isn't likely to happen, but yes, AA does negotiate with Airbus. And a potential deal isn't out of the question, either. I've confirmed these negotiations with three check airmen and two chief pilots.

The immediate gain of any aircraft order would be more fuel efficient aircraft, but we're not likely to see an order of any aircraft the size equal to the MD-80 fleet as it is currently. There are just too many aircraft to replace with not so new equipment. One of the most obvious moves to me would be to go ahead with the remaining 738s on order and retire at least that many MD-80s. That would help lower costs by running more fuel efficient aircraft and would also lower the maintenance costs of the 738 by spreading them out over more aircraft. That to mean seems like a reasonable solution to at least retire the oldest of the MD-80s.

It's anyone's guess... even at AA. Management doesn't yet know, nor does anyone else know, what Y1 will produce, nor do they know what the A320NG will have to offer. It's definitely a wait and see attitude, while looking at ways to minimize fuel burn in the short term.



The views expressed are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect my employer’s views.
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 8):
Remember that they operate Embraer aircraft on American Eagle, the ERJ-135/140/145. I think that the 190/195 and even some 175 would be good for AA to operate on ex-F100 routes!

If the Embrear 190/195 were simply stretched versions of the 145, then AMR might be bringing of the issue of the scope clause with the APA, AA's pilots' union, so that it could place an order for Eagle.

My understanding is that the 190/195 is different enough that it has to be considered a different aircraft type. Even the engines are different, since the 135/140/145 use RR-Allisons, while the 190/195 use GE CF-34s.

As I said earlier, AMR management will probably see if Boeing does bring out a narrowbody aircraft that, in various series, could replace the F100, the MD-80, potentially the 737-800 in 15 years, and possibly the 757.


User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 19):
EMB 190s or something similar

I see the EMB 190/195 as a good plane for AA, but not to replace MD-82. The 190/195 would better fit ex-F100 routes!

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 19):
One aircraft type can't not effectively replace the fleet

I agree with that. I think that for any airline, is bad to have 230 aircrafts of the same type. Tho replace AA's MD-80 fleet they will need at least 2 or 3 types of planes: If today, 73G, 738 and 739ER would be 3 good airplanes to this replacement, or they can waint for the next generations of the 737(Y1), or even both, AA could get something like 100 mixed 73G, 738 and 739ER to replace the oldests MD-80s and than in a couple of years, study the Y1 choice.



146 319 320 321 332 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 742 743 744 762 763 772 773 CRJ ER4 100 F50 F27 M11 D10
User currently offlineTWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10450 times:

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 19):
American Eagle is a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR, which American is too. American Connection is a name developed to cover the former TWA Express flights out of St. Louis with carriers Trans States and Chataqua. The only other exception would be some of the flying out of San Juan. If I am not mistaken, that operation is not wholly owned by AMR, but it maybe. Someone more close to Eagle may know how that works.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm originally from STL, and so that is at the center of my world, I guess. Is this true for the AE out of DFW as well? I once personally know the man who owned AE in DFW. Perhaps he had sold his share to AMR in recent times?

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 19):
I've kept this to myself and a few others, but AA has been negotiating with Airbus for the past three months on an A320/A319 order.

This is a fascinating piece of information, but is not that surprising. As much as I love Boeing, AA needs solutions now, and if that means going Airbus for small long range planes, then so be it. I'm sure the folks at Boeing understand that the sooner they roll out Y1, the sooner AA and other american carriers put in hundreds of orders. This may be why Boeing is focusing on Y2, then Y1, and finally Y3. The money is in Y1 and Y2 in the near future.



We're your kind of airline. Uh, I mean, We *were* your kind of airline.
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10450 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
Of course it will. Their MD80 fleet is almost as large as WN's entire fleet of 737s if not even larger than that!

Not even close...

WN has over 450 737 in-serivce with more being added on a regular basis. WN has a backlog for another 136 73G, and unlike AA, Southwest will actually take them. AA has around 300 MD80, tops.

By the time AA is ready to replace the MD80, WN will have nearly two 737 for every one American MD80.


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10450 times:

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 6):

1. the MD-80s are not terribly fuel efficient for today's standards.

Remember that fuel costs aren't everything. The leases might be significantly cheaper.

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 6):

2. Re-engining the planes is expensive and disruptive.

So is buying new aircraft, especially a whole new type.

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 6):

5. A lot of passengers aren't fans of the Maddogs, (i personally like them)

People travelling in First Class (the people that really matter) probably like MD-80s because its so quiet up there.

AAndrew


25 Thering : I really doubt that AA will order A319/A320 due to their Boeing trend. Completely agree with that, when Boeing roll out the Y1, they will receive tho
26 TWAtwaTWA : The cabin width of the MD-80 limits the comfort of first class. Having flown (with my wife who has premium status on AA) in Y class on S80 as well as
27 Jetdeltamsy : Those 80's still have a couple of decades of safe operation left in them. As long as the industry remains in turmoil, they would be smart to hang onto
28 AAden : southwest only has 436 according to their website and I was under the impression that AA had about 379 s80s
29 Dutchjet : There is really not much to add, except to remember what a huge and expensive undertaking the MD80 replacement project will be for AA....its likely to
30 TAN FLYR : IIRC, the MD-80's (original AA) are all paid for. Remember, Bob Crandall drove one heck of a bargain with Douglas..basicly every 3rd MD-80 was free or
31 Captaink : Executive Air operates for American Eagle out of San Juan to lower caribbean destinations. On a side note their fleet of ATRs are horrid. If all paid
32 DfwRevolution : Their website was last updated in April 2006, and they have continued to take deliveries through May and June. They have more than 436.
33 Jacobin777 : flying on the MadDogs every few weeks, to be honest, at the end of the day, people look at price of ticket and time flexibility....almost all of the
34 Pavlin : I am one of those passengers who doesn't like the engines in the rear, exept it is a fighter.
35 Post contains links and images September11 : Retire, replace, or keep? Must be AA MD-80s at war? Care to explain why? I'll say keep the MD-80s. Clearly, they are one of AA's biggest asset. Again,
36 Columba : One question since the MD 80 is now mostly refered as the Boeing MD 80 how does American and other airlines refer to it on their safety cards or on th
37 Laxintl : Well since the comment of MD-80s operating cost versus the B738 has come up several times, here is AA's DOT data for the 12 months of 2005 on the type
38 BA787 : I would say that AA will keep their MD80S for a while yet, They will gradually replace them with 738. I think MD80S will be in AA livery for a good te
39 Qqflyboy : In the near term, I think if we were to see an aircraft order it would not be to replace the entire MD-80 fleet. I think what is most likely is the re
40 Dutchjet : Yeah, this is happening. Airbus if offering AA free airplanes and a refund to boot. I am a Boeing guy, but you can be certain that Airbus is not so d
41 QQflyboy : It was in the late 1990s AMR set out to purchase all the carriers that made up the AE network to make it one airline owned by AMR. I don't know who o
42 Dutchjet : I missed that part......19 free airplanes in addition to free leases and free maintaince on the first 100. Is free fuel included as well? If this wer
43 TVNWZ : Actually, I thought this, and the fuel costs in your post, would have been more. the MD 80's run far shorter routes on average than the 738's thus sk
44 EmSeeEye : I wouldnt call this "desperation" on the part of Airbus. They are trying hard to land a major deal on the biggest airline in the world... Maybe Boein
45 Dutchjet : I disagree: 1. 100 brand new aircraft for 5 years with no lease payments. 2. 100 aircraft with 5 years with "Free Maintainence" (whatever that means?
46 QQflyboy : Without knowing the context in how the word "free" was used, we really don't know. Remember, the deal AA inked with MD back in the day for the MD-80
47 QQflyboy : Let me add this, too. I don't believe we'll see a deal like this between AA and Airbus. What I do think is anything is possible, and I think the bigge
48 Dutchjet : JetBlue's deal with Airbus calls for some back ended payments and some deferred payments.......but is nothing as radical as this as far as I know. An
49 QQflyboy : I'm not saying anything, I'm just repeating the deal as it was told to me and confirmed by five others. I knew this would be heavily debated and beat
50 Post contains images Dutchjet : I realize that......and it is an interesting story. And I do thank you for sharing it with us, the rumors that go around sometimes are amazing. Do yo
51 QQflyboy : Here's another point. No lease payments for five years does not necessarily mean "free" leases. It could mean five years of deferred lease payments. Y
52 Post contains images QQflyboy : Certainly we'd have to have something to offer them in return. How 'bout using the case that it would be a charitable donation, and therefore, a writ
53 Commavia : I apologize for the length in advance ... All of the American Eagle carriers currently owned by AMR Eagle, Inc. were owned by 1992. AMR Eagle first a
54 Post contains links and images Columba : Sizewise the A321 might be a better option as an MD 80 replacement and I must say it would look pretty good (better than an A319 or A321). AA´ s liv
55 Post contains links and images Columba : Here are the other option: 1) This is how an A320 would look like: Modified Airliner Photos:Design � Template � mikephotos 2) This would be
56 Thering : The A321 is to big to replace the MD-80s!!
57 QQflyboy : Correct. The A320 is of perfect size to replace the MD-80. The standard Airbus configuration for two-class is 12F/138Y. I would bet AA would go with
58 Laxintl : Lets compare 2 legacy airlines that operate both types: Again my data is per block hour for the 12 months of 2005. Northwest A319 Crew - $610 Fuel -
59 Dutchjet : The ownership category is interesting........in both cases, the A320 costs about 1.5 times the amount that it costs to own the A319. Why is that? The
60 Bredman1 : 47 MD-80's sitting in ROW with more to arrive
61 NASCARAirforce : American Airlines getting A319/A320 has about as much chance as Iberia getting 737-700s/800s... keep dreaming. What I don't understand is that when AA
62 AAden : why are 737 crews paid more than the md-80 crews? I love love to see a319/20 in AA colors
63 Thering : In ten years time, assuming no big world crises, AA's fleet will look like these: Narrowbodies: MD-80 (only a few and on their way out) EMB-195 737-80
64 Laxintl : Ask AA. Pilot pay rates are different for the types, and FA staffing are different particularly with the mix of international flying the 738 does.
65 Jacobin777 : AA won't be getting any "jumbos" anytime soon..the only plane they would increase in size would be to the 777-300ER... the 747 and A380 is too big fo
66 AAden : this is going to sound stupid! forgive me for being ignorant. but what type of aircraft is boeings Y1, y2 and, y3 that have been hearing about? I sear
67 Post contains links TWAtwaTWA : This is part of Boeing's plan to develop a totally new system of planes to fill three major categories. This plan has been dubbed "Yellowstone", henc
68 AAden : so boeing will only have three types of aircraft?
69 QQflyboy : You are right, but it's the next best thing. With reconfiguring coach and first, AA could easily get 225 seats in main cabin. Hawaii went from DC-10s
70 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I'd prefer to see a 787-3 there instead..
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
AA 767-200 Fleet And Transcon Future posted Tue Feb 21 2006 19:07:54 by AirxLiban
AA Won't Re-Engine MD-80 Fleet posted Fri Nov 17 2006 03:57:58 by PanAm_DC10
AA MD-80 And 727's posted Fri Jan 27 2006 18:01:24 by ZCHANNEL
Future Of IB's MD-80 Fleet posted Wed Nov 27 2002 09:53:07 by 717fan
AA Md 80's And Mia posted Wed Aug 11 1999 07:11:30 by Doug
AA MD-80 Interior Makeover Possible? posted Sat Sep 16 2006 17:34:48 by 1337Delta764
DCA AA MD-80 Question posted Mon May 1 2006 23:22:55 by Positiverate
AA's MD-80 Replacement? posted Tue Apr 4 2006 00:51:01 by MaxQ2351
AA MD-80 At SFO Video posted Tue Mar 21 2006 14:36:33 by SJC-Alien
AA MD-80 Problems posted Fri Feb 17 2006 07:53:27 by Planefreakaa