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Is Aeromexico A Safe Airline? (MD-87)  
User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23798 times:

I will be flying from Monterrey Mexico to Mexico City soon, on an aeromexico MD-87.

To all of you this may sound stupid... but I am actualy very nervous, I am a nervous flyer, I know it doesn't make sense, why am I here in this website if I am a nervous flyer.. well my family is into this kind of business and I do like aircrafts, I love the pictures and the conversations but when it comes to me flying... I really get nervous, so to be blantly honest with you guys.. I am afraid.

All these toughts come to mind.. the MD-87 is an old aircraft... Aeromexico being a Mexican airline, what if they don't comply with maintenance the way they should, etc..

It is only a 1 hour 30 minute flight, after that I fly from Mexico City to London on a 747 from British Airways, long 10 hour flight but for some reason I am not that worried about that one.. probably because I haven't goten on the MD-87 yet.. maybe after I arrive at the Mexico City airport (GOD willing) I will start worrying about that.

I have searched for info on the md-87 and looked at pics, etc... even checked airfleets.net and it says aeromexico's md-87's fleet is 17 years old average... but in the end I guess I had to come here and ask you guys to cheer me up or help me out or just flat out say something that makes me stop thinking that I am going to die. It's ok if you are laughing, I honestly am very very nervous.

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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5012 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23792 times:

They're fine... AM uses the MD-87 on flights to the US, and I'm fairly sure that they have to maintain certain standards of safety on those flights. I believe that's the reason the grounded Aerocalifornia... But I think you have nothing to worry about.

Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineMoose1226 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23786 times:

If it helps any:

The MD-87 has been flying for almost 20 years. In that time, there has only been one accident, and that was due to an error by the pilot of a different aircraft. The MD-87 itself has never been the cause of a crash. I hope this helped.

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4803 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23737 times:

I wouldn't worry at all.

Understand your fears about travellling on some of the Mexican airlines, but you don't have to worry with AeroMexico.

I've travelled with them quite a few times (on MD-87/88 aircraft) and find them to be in good condition, well maintained and operated by professional crews.

In reality, I personallly find AM to be one of my Top 5 airlines flown from a service/experience perspective and apart from Mexico City and some of their boarding procedures (or lack off), would recommend them to ANYONE!

Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 23663 times:

Mexican airlines have very good safety records, don't worry about it. Open the window shade, look outside and enjoy the ride.

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4536 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 23630 times:

Don't worry dude.

1. Aeromexico is an excellent airline - they take care of their aircraft. When have you ever heard of them having dodgy maintenance?

2. McDonnell Douglas aircraft are built to last. Aerocalifornia DC-9s up until recently were still in the air, even with speculation about their shoddy maintenance, so no reason to think anything less of newer aircraft from a much better airline.

Enjoy your trip. The MD-87 is a fairly rare bird out there, and its always a pleasure to fly British Airways.

If you've got a camera, get it out and take some photos. Jot down the details of your trip so that you can write us a trip report afterwards - it'll take your mind of thoughts of imminent death.

User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 23598 times:

I flew on AM from CUN-ATL about 1 year ago. I must say that the service I got on AM was far better than any USA carrier. We even got a meal in coach. AM is fine and enjoy the MD-87, its a great aircraft!

User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 23555 times:

Not too sure about Aeromexico?... but my company does maintenance in the USA for some of Mexicana's fleet. If the two companies do business in a similar fashion than their maintenance is very comparable to U.S. airlines.

User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 6063 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 23545 times:

AeroMexico is a first-rate carrier, employing world-class professional practices. You should fly them (as I do) with complete confidence, and you'll likely enjoy (as I have) excellent service.

...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1618 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 23503 times:

Doesn't Delta do a lot of Aeromexico's heavy maintenance?

User currently offlineArchie From Mexico, joined Aug 2000, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 23473 times:


I`d take AM any day!

They`re very safe!!! Mexican is not synonym of bad quality man!!!!


User currently offlineMexitli From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 23413 times:


I'll just add my words of agreement with everyone else here. Aeromexico is excellent, provides good service, and has a good safety record. I've flown the MD-87 (MTY-JFK, a few years back) and was impressed with the services. As the others say, enjoy the view.

No te apures.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 23402 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):

And they wouldn't be a member of an alliance if they didn't meet up to stringednt standards set by IATA and the alliance itself. Is it skyteam or star they are a member of. Put it this way i'd rather fly on an old MD-87 of Aeromexico than a 737-800 of FR


I get nervous as well, especially on an unfamiliar airline or airplane


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 23400 times:

Quoting Mexitli (Reply 11):
. Aeromexico is excellent, provides good service, and has a good safety record

Totally agree. Service is good, friendlier than with most US carriers except B6, Crew dress is always impeccable.

Take off and live
User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1803 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23346 times:

Do not feel yours was a stupid question. Stupid is the one who is eager to know but is too afraid of asking...

You will be amazed of the number of people uncomfortable about flying. Despite the apparent awakening of Mexican Aviation, affording more and more people air transportation, the topic is still somewhat obscure to the eyes of the general public. Add to that that we, those who work in the industry, sometimes get so self-involved in our duties that tend to forget that the folks filling the airplanes are probably not having the best time of their life and thus we fail to reassure you with confidence.

On the other hand I'm not implying that you do not travel by air that often, but it did happen that -even junior pilots that I trained or flew with- overcame their fears after a little knowledge, understanding and flight time. Shouldn't be different with you. You already took the biggest step and asked questions. Congrats to that!

I look great to your approach to this forum. Perhaps one of the most useful on-line aids. Welcome onboard and enjoy the ride!

RM  Smile

There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23337 times:
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think that M87 aircraft is one of the battlehorses of Iberia fleet and is used in routes as ORY, FCO, VCE, FRA,...

Don't be afraid. I flew two years ago in one AM M87 in route to CUN from MEX, and is a great aircraft.

You will have a nice flight.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23316 times:

I recommend AM with eyes closed. It is safe, very professional, well maintained, financially robust and excellent service both in flight and on the ground. BTW, they also have one of my favorites liveries..  Wink

I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently onlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 23281 times:

As others have said, don't worry. I've flown AeroMexico many times and have full confidence in them. The MD87 has a fine record safetywise as well.

Heck, I'm envious, i've flown on all variants of the MD80 family except the MD87. Big grin

Cheers, Ralph

Fly Douglas Jets DC-8 / DC-9 / DC-10 / MD80 / MD11 / MD90 / 717
User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 23238 times:

I have flown in MD87 in Mexico from PHX-HMO-GDL and had one of the smoothest flights I have ever ridden. Before getting to PHX I flew on America West from OAK and on an A320 and had more turbulence than ever. But AM is very safe, I tend to find that when I fly to Mexico the pilots are the best trained cause I have a very smooth flights. However when I fly on US airline flights I've had rough landings or too much shaking. When I fly in Mexico I always choose Mexicana or Aeromexico because no one can compare to their service in the US. They provide better service than US carriers and even provide you with a meal. By the way I have also flown a MD87 from BCN to MAD on IB and this is a great aircraft to fly.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 23188 times:

Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter):
but I am actualy[sic] very nervous,

You are in safe hands with AM.

Don't waste time getting nervous. It's perfectly safe.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 23147 times:

Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter):
Aeromexico being a Mexican airline, what if they don't comply with maintenance the way they should, etc..

Do you REALLY believe what you said ?
Because I can't believe what I read. Specially coming from a Mexican [Pls. re-read my previous post].
BTW, when was the last time you saw an AM's MD-87 falling from the sky ?

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 23132 times:

Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter):

BTW welcome to a.net.

User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 939 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 23119 times:

Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter):
Aeromexico being a Mexican airline, what if they don't comply with maintenance the way they should, etc..

Airplanes are not cars. They're not maintained in the "I'll fix it when it breaks" way. Each part, component and fragment has its own allowed (and tested) lifespan, after which it has to be replaced or overhauled, as required by the book. If that's not done, the aircraft won't fly. Perhaps in some shady country in Africa, but certainly not in Mexico.

Having an accident, not to mention a fatal one, means so much trouble for an airline, it's management and employees, that they do everything to never encounter one.

Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter):
even checked airfleets.net and it says aeromexico's md-87's fleet is 17 years old average...

Again, airplanes are not cars. 17 years might be old for a car, but a 17-year-old airplane is definelty old. Mind you, if you step in that aircraft, the only thing that's 17 years old is the airframe itself. All other parts (engines, flight instruments, etc, etc) have been maintained and replaced on a regular basis to make sure the thing is safe.

In other words, you've got nothing to worry about. Enjoy your flight.


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 883 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 23099 times:

First of all. Lucky you, to get to fly on an MD87. There are not many of those around that I know of. As for flying AM? Not to worry, they are a very good airline, and even enjoyed flying them when they had their old DC9s.

A line is evidence that other people exist.
User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 23066 times:

I have flown the MD87 with AM and had a great experience - the crews are wonderful and the aircraft itself is like a rocket - the entire MD8X/717/D9 family for me is fun to fly, but the MD87 and the MD90 in particular are just great on takeoff for me.

"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
25 Kuhne : WOW, I can't believe I got so many replies! you guys are incredible and really reasuring. Just to make a point, in no way or form am I trying to make
26 Kuhne : btw, Spartanmjf, you said you particulary like the MD-87 during takeoff, why is htis?
27 EddieDude : WT+!!! I can't wait to see for myself in September but, according to trip reports and numerous posts here, that's the way to go if you want to enjoy
28 Kuhne : That is great to know! it's pretty cool that there is a direct flight form Mexico to London
29 Ghost77 : I would be worried to fly with Capt. Corso if in the crew and in comand... that same guy skid off 02 DC9-32s in less than a 36 months period... and it
30 Kuhne : Ok thats not helping.. can that cap be the one flying the md 87?
31 AR385 : Yes, you should really be afraid. It's a third world country airline. If the pilots are not drunk, probably the maintenance is pretty shoddy. I would
32 AR385 : But, if after all you decide to fly, careful with the flight attendants. They only speak Nahuatl or Otomi, some carry babies in their back and may att
33 Britmex : Kuhne: I work there. Maybe I`ll be serving drinks on that flight. Don`t worry about that and don`t pay attention to the last posts, they are simply ha
34 SFOMEX : AFAIK, BA 747s have PTVs that would help you to have a great flight. Of the many times I have flown long haul, I've experienced PTV only twice, in VS
35 Post contains images Adriaticus : Fly727 and Britmex... Your posts show high order professionalism and how you care for your passengers. Congratulations for that. You both are good exa
36 B777Fanatic1 : I'd be more worried to fly in AA than AM, something about that great service just injects confidence. AM, great airline.
37 EddieDude : Well, according to seatguru.com, WT+ has 38 inches of seat pitch, so if our friend Kuhne can still get a WT+ seat, he will enjoy unparalleled comfort
38 Theredbaron : Welcome to A net! My recomendations for a 8 plus hour flight are as follows: I dont get nervous on planes but I seldom Sleep, so when I land and disem
39 UAL-Fan : I've flown the exact same route, same airline, same aircraft. It's great! I really like Aeromexico and agree the service is better than just about any
40 Post contains images Kuhne : Britmex I don't know if I saw you or not but the MD-87 was a great plane! To all of you, I am in London right now, the MD-87 was nice, it took off rea
41 CessnaLady : Kuhne, welcome to the forums. Fear of flying is a lot more frequent than we would assume. I recall an AM station manager in CUN who was so scared of f
42 Post contains images TurkishWings : Funny... We share the same thoughts about the MD-80 family aircraft. Last year in June, I planned the perfect 10 day vacation. I was going to fly GVA-
43 AUNC747 : Enjoy your trip kuhne. Years ago, I had to travel from MEX to MTY, GDL, CJS,TIJ & other citys in Mexico, at least ones a week. I was as afraid as you
44 Tsaord : I post here and I'm nervous flyer so you are not alone! I returned to the sky last year on an AA MD-80. I was nervous but I sort of relaxed a little.
45 KLM685 : Kinda of a racist comment if you ask me. What's that supposed to mean? You really don't trust you're people? Not everything that's Mexican is bad, ve
46 Post contains images FLY2HMO : OMG I can only imagine the F/As walking up and down the aisles: Chiclets!!! Chiclets de a pesito!!! LOL , and you say that now, but imagine if Pejeci
47 N801DM : Hi everyone, I worked for AeroMexico for four years as a contract maintenance supervisor before I started my job as the maintenance manager for the Ma
48 AR385 : I don't know about el peje, but really, some people need to go out more. "Aeromexico being a Mexican airline, what if they don't comply with maintena
49 Post contains images Socal : The MD-87 is the Hot Rod of the DC-9/MD-87 series.
50 NAVEGA : KUHNE Would you have asked this question 10 0r maybe 15 years ago the answer would have been DONT FLY THEM. But the new Aeromexico it top notch and po
51 Post contains images Kuhne : thanks guys I don't know why you are so ofended, I am not racist, I am Mexican, I am just being honest with what I feel, Aeromexico is a great airline
52 Post contains images Fly727 : No, at least I don't. Their numbers might look red if we are talking about money but anything else it is top notch. RM
53 Post contains links and images 777-200 : Lol, if you think a MD-87 is old, let me tell you about the plane I'm getting my PPL in, it was built in 1957! View Large View MediumPhoto © Davi
54 KLM685 : Still a racist! You don't have to be conscious about it for saying you're not! Only by these comments you show completely what you have in mind. I do
55 Ghost77 : I would be more afraid flying DC9 with AM than JR! INCIDENT RECORDS SPEAK FOR ITSELF... ghooost77 APM
56 Oakjam : Hey all this is how much I love AM i have some clear luggage(Hideo Wamakatsu) and you can put pictures in the area like a collage. One of my pictures
57 TWAL1011727 : Umm...wrong choice of words when relating about flying. If you say that...they will think about it. Its all about occupying your mind during your tri
58 YVRlonghauler : You both should be ashamed of yourselves. Comments like these are nothing short of racist and discriminatory of your own people. I hope an A.net mode
59 AR385 : Look, YVRlonghauler, if you want me banned, give action to your words and ask. You can go to the "about" menu at the top of the page, and when it fol
60 Post contains images Fly727 : Not wanting to take sides and truly respecting your opinion YVRlonghauler, AR385 is perhaps one of the most meaningful and rational members I know in
61 AR385 : Well, Fly727, there's nothing left for me to say than I thank you for your kind words. More than kind, they are actually pretty uplifting, as sometim
62 Post contains images Latinplane : You're no saint either AR385, but, I any Mexican person would have understood your comment to be just a joke (well maybe Subcomandante Marcos wouldn'
63 AR385 : I'm not claiming to be one, and I don't ever expect to be canonized by the church, but: I don't call people names, I'd rather ask for the post to be
64 VirginFlyer : Let's not turn what has so far been a fairly decent conversation into an argument here... AR385 and FLY2HMO weren't being racist, they were just demon
65 Post contains links YVRlonghauler : AR385, You got it all wrong. First, Merriam-Webster dictionary supports my choice of words. Try it yourself at www.m-w.com: Main Entry: racism: 2 : ra
66 AR385 : Exactly. You summed it up best. Congratulations on your ability to comprend and on the succintness of your writing.
67 Post contains images Latinplane : Sure, but I'm going to do it by sending you an Instant Message because I am not about to make myself look like a fool here trying to defend myself ag
68 AR385 : I did not inform the readers because 96% of Mexicans are of indigineous descent. Where did you get the idea that I am not? Also I live in the North,
69 AR385 : Latinplane, I know that if you use the IMail for stuff like what you have in mind, you can be banned, or seriously warned. I got a rightwinger harass
70 YVRlonghauler : What does this have to do with anything here? Your defending the right of legal/illegal immigrants does not prove bias or lack thereof toward any par
71 AR385 : I'm happy with that. Thanks for being civil in this discussion of ours. Few people can do that.
72 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Uhm, ok, somebody needs to look up the word "sarcasm" in a Webster dictionary Exactly. Nothing else. Unfortunately this thread has been ruined by peo
73 AR385 : True, but at least it remained civil. You know how other threads evolve into and it can become unnecessary ugly.
74 Post contains images YVRlonghauler : Speak for yourself. I'm just standing up for my convictions, whether you agree with them or not... Who? Me? Nah... And you need to look up the word i
75 777jaah : Sometimes it's hard to understand a comment from someone who's culturally on the other side of the spectrum. This seems to be the case. I found AR385
76 AR385 : Thankyou! You got my comment right. I appreciate your candor.
77 Post contains links and images TACAA320 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Sergio Mota - APM Aren't they beauties ?
78 Ghost77 : Don't worry AR, we all! Issue here its sometimes difficult to get it when you're on culturally on the other side as well 777jaah has just said! ghooo
79 AR385 : Thanks Ghost, you are always a good friend.
80 Post contains images Fly727 : Get a room! RM ------ LEGAL DISCLAIMER This post meant to be a light-hearted comment from this silly user. No offense shall be taken as it was intend
81 Post contains images Ghost77 : LMAO! Yeah, that's what all my University ladies talk about me! I know I'm good! The MAD DOG 87 RULEZ!!! ghooost77 APM
82 Dl1011 : Back to to original subject. "Doesn't Delta do a lot of Aeromexico's heavy maintenance?" It's the other way around, AeroMexico will do DL's MD88 heavy
83 EddieDude : Right. And in exchange, I think DL will also do maintenance for AM's 757s and 767s.
84 DL1011 : "Right. And in exchange, I think DL will also do maintenance for AM's 757s and 767s." Won't be heavy checks since DL has outsourced the 757/767 heavy
85 777jaah : Do you have copyrights on this one?? Can I use it on my office email?? Best disclaimer, I think manuy people around this forum should use it as their
86 Post contains images Fly727 : Be my guest! I'm actually thinking in a shortened version for my signature. You never know when you're getting flammed in this threads RM
87 B777Fanatic1 : Just end the topic please! AM is a great airline recognized that way around the world.
88 TACAA320 : Why ? It is interesting.
89 AR385 : I think the topic raises many questios about the relationship between AM and its skyteam partners. It's worth discussing as TACAA320 said.
90 Kuhne : Yes I am talking about "Red numbers" as in money, not anything else, Aeromexico is great, allways on time etc.. I meant money wise and an Airline that
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