Kuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21643 times:
I will be flying from Monterrey Mexico to Mexico City soon, on an aeromexico MD-87.
To all of you this may sound stupid... but I am actualy very nervous, I am a nervous flyer, I know it doesn't make sense, why am I here in this website if I am a nervous flyer.. well my family is into this kind of business and I do like aircrafts, I love the pictures and the conversations but when it comes to me flying... I really get nervous, so to be blantly honest with you guys.. I am afraid.
All these toughts come to mind.. the MD-87 is an old aircraft... Aeromexico being a Mexican airline, what if they don't comply with maintenance the way they should, etc..
It is only a 1 hour 30 minute flight, after that I fly from Mexico City to London on a 747 from British Airways, long 10 hour flight but for some reason I am not that worried about that one.. probably because I haven't goten on the MD-87 yet.. maybe after I arrive at the Mexico City airport (GOD willing) I will start worrying about that.
I have searched for info on the md-87 and looked at pics, etc... even checked airfleets.net and it says aeromexico's md-87's fleet is 17 years old average... but in the end I guess I had to come here and ask you guys to cheer me up or help me out or just flat out say something that makes me stop thinking that I am going to die. It's ok if you are laughing, I honestly am very very nervous.
San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21637 times:
They're fine... AM uses the MD-87 on flights to the US, and I'm fairly sure that they have to maintain certain standards of safety on those flights. I believe that's the reason the grounded Aerocalifornia... But I think you have nothing to worry about.
Moose1226 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21631 times:
If it helps any:
The MD-87 has been flying for almost 20 years. In that time, there has only been one accident, and that was due to an error by the pilot of a different aircraft. The MD-87 itself has never been the cause of a crash. I hope this helped.
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4789 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21582 times:
I wouldn't worry at all.
Understand your fears about travellling on some of the Mexican airlines, but you don't have to worry with AeroMexico.
I've travelled with them quite a few times (on MD-87/88 aircraft) and find them to be in good condition, well maintained and operated by professional crews.
In reality, I personallly find AM to be one of my Top 5 airlines flown from a service/experience perspective and apart from Mexico City and some of their boarding procedures (or lack off), would recommend them to ANYONE!
AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4525 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21475 times:
Don't worry dude.
1. Aeromexico is an excellent airline - they take care of their aircraft. When have you ever heard of them having dodgy maintenance?
2. McDonnell Douglas aircraft are built to last. Aerocalifornia DC-9s up until recently were still in the air, even with speculation about their shoddy maintenance, so no reason to think anything less of newer aircraft from a much better airline.
Enjoy your trip. The MD-87 is a fairly rare bird out there, and its always a pleasure to fly British Airways.
If you've got a camera, get it out and take some photos. Jot down the details of your trip so that you can write us a trip report afterwards - it'll take your mind of thoughts of imminent death.
AEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21443 times:
I flew on AM from CUN-ATL about 1 year ago. I must say that the service I got on AM was far better than any USA carrier. We even got a meal in coach. AM is fine and enjoy the MD-87, its a great aircraft!
Zrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21400 times:
Not too sure about Aeromexico?... but my company does maintenance in the USA for some of Mexicana's fleet. If the two companies do business in a similar fashion than their maintenance is very comparable to U.S. airlines.
Mexitli From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21258 times:
I'll just add my words of agreement with everyone else here. Aeromexico is excellent, provides good service, and has a good safety record. I've flown the MD-87 (MTY-JFK, a few years back) and was impressed with the services. As the others say, enjoy the view.
And they wouldn't be a member of an alliance if they didn't meet up to stringednt standards set by IATA and the alliance itself. Is it skyteam or star they are a member of. Put it this way i'd rather fly on an old MD-87 of Aeromexico than a 737-800 of FR
I get nervous as well, especially on an unfamiliar airline or airplane
Fly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21191 times:
Do not feel yours was a stupid question. Stupid is the one who is eager to know but is too afraid of asking...
You will be amazed of the number of people uncomfortable about flying. Despite the apparent awakening of Mexican Aviation, affording more and more people air transportation, the topic is still somewhat obscure to the eyes of the general public. Add to that that we, those who work in the industry, sometimes get so self-involved in our duties that tend to forget that the folks filling the airplanes are probably not having the best time of their life and thus we fail to reassure you with confidence.
On the other hand I'm not implying that you do not travel by air that often, but it did happen that -even junior pilots that I trained or flew with- overcame their fears after a little knowledge, understanding and flight time. Shouldn't be different with you. You already took the biggest step and asked questions. Congrats to that!
I look great to your approach to this forum. Perhaps one of the most useful on-line aids. Welcome onboard and enjoy the ride!
There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
RICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2403 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21161 times:
I recommend AM with eyes closed. It is safe, very professional, well maintained, financially robust and excellent service both in flight and on the ground. BTW, they also have one of my favorites liveries..
I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
Oakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21083 times:
I have flown in MD87 in Mexico from PHX-HMO-GDL and had one of the smoothest flights I have ever ridden. Before getting to PHX I flew on America West from OAK and on an A320 and had more turbulence than ever. But AM is very safe, I tend to find that when I fly to Mexico the pilots are the best trained cause I have a very smooth flights. However when I fly on US airline flights I've had rough landings or too much shaking. When I fly in Mexico I always choose Mexicana or Aeromexico because no one can compare to their service in the US. They provide better service than US carriers and even provide you with a meal. By the way I have also flown a MD87 from BCN to MAD on IB and this is a great aircraft to fly.
TACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20992 times:
Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter): Aeromexico being a Mexican airline, what if they don't comply with maintenance the way they should, etc..
Do you REALLY believe what you said ?
Because I can't believe what I read. Specially coming from a Mexican [Pls. re-read my previous post].
BTW, when was the last time you saw an AM's MD-87 falling from the sky ?
OV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20964 times:
Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter): Aeromexico being a Mexican airline, what if they don't comply with maintenance the way they should, etc..
Airplanes are not cars. They're not maintained in the "I'll fix it when it breaks" way. Each part, component and fragment has its own allowed (and tested) lifespan, after which it has to be replaced or overhauled, as required by the book. If that's not done, the aircraft won't fly. Perhaps in some shady country in Africa, but certainly not in Mexico.
Having an accident, not to mention a fatal one, means so much trouble for an airline, it's management and employees, that they do everything to never encounter one.
Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter): even checked airfleets.net and it says aeromexico's md-87's fleet is 17 years old average...
Again, airplanes are not cars. 17 years might be old for a car, but a 17-year-old airplane is definelty old. Mind you, if you step in that aircraft, the only thing that's 17 years old is the airframe itself. All other parts (engines, flight instruments, etc, etc) have been maintained and replaced on a regular basis to make sure the thing is safe.
In other words, you've got nothing to worry about. Enjoy your flight.
ABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 879 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20944 times:
First of all. Lucky you, to get to fly on an MD87. There are not many of those around that I know of. As for flying AM? Not to worry, they are a very good airline, and even enjoyed flying them when they had their old DC9s.
Spartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20911 times:
I have flown the MD87 with AM and had a great experience - the crews are wonderful and the aircraft itself is like a rocket - the entire MD8X/717/D9 family for me is fun to fly, but the MD87 and the MD90 in particular are just great on takeoff for me.
"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
: WOW, I can't believe I got so many replies! you guys are incredible and really reasuring. Just to make a point, in no way or form am I trying to make
: btw, Spartanmjf, you said you particulary like the MD-87 during takeoff, why is htis?
: WT+!!! I can't wait to see for myself in September but, according to trip reports and numerous posts here, that's the way to go if you want to enjoy
: That is great to know! it's pretty cool that there is a direct flight form Mexico to London
: I would be worried to fly with Capt. Corso if in the crew and in comand... that same guy skid off 02 DC9-32s in less than a 36 months period... and it
: Ok thats not helping.. can that cap be the one flying the md 87?
: Yes, you should really be afraid. It's a third world country airline. If the pilots are not drunk, probably the maintenance is pretty shoddy. I would
: But, if after all you decide to fly, careful with the flight attendants. They only speak Nahuatl or Otomi, some carry babies in their back and may att
: Kuhne: I work there. Maybe I`ll be serving drinks on that flight. Don`t worry about that and don`t pay attention to the last posts, they are simply ha
: AFAIK, BA 747s have PTVs that would help you to have a great flight. Of the many times I have flown long haul, I've experienced PTV only twice, in VS
: Fly727 and Britmex... Your posts show high order professionalism and how you care for your passengers. Congratulations for that. You both are good exa
: I'd be more worried to fly in AA than AM, something about that great service just injects confidence. AM, great airline.
: Well, according to seatguru.com, WT+ has 38 inches of seat pitch, so if our friend Kuhne can still get a WT+ seat, he will enjoy unparalleled comfort
: Welcome to A net! My recomendations for a 8 plus hour flight are as follows: I dont get nervous on planes but I seldom Sleep, so when I land and disem
: I've flown the exact same route, same airline, same aircraft. It's great! I really like Aeromexico and agree the service is better than just about any
: Britmex I don't know if I saw you or not but the MD-87 was a great plane! To all of you, I am in London right now, the MD-87 was nice, it took off rea
: Kuhne, welcome to the forums. Fear of flying is a lot more frequent than we would assume. I recall an AM station manager in CUN who was so scared of f
: Funny... We share the same thoughts about the MD-80 family aircraft. Last year in June, I planned the perfect 10 day vacation. I was going to fly GVA-
: Enjoy your trip kuhne. Years ago, I had to travel from MEX to MTY, GDL, CJS,TIJ & other citys in Mexico, at least ones a week. I was as afraid as you
: I post here and I'm nervous flyer so you are not alone! I returned to the sky last year on an AA MD-80. I was nervous but I sort of relaxed a little.
: Kinda of a racist comment if you ask me. What's that supposed to mean? You really don't trust you're people? Not everything that's Mexican is bad, ve
: OMG I can only imagine the F/As walking up and down the aisles: Chiclets!!! Chiclets de a pesito!!! LOL , and you say that now, but imagine if Pejeci
: Hi everyone, I worked for AeroMexico for four years as a contract maintenance supervisor before I started my job as the maintenance manager for the Ma
: I don't know about el peje, but really, some people need to go out more. "Aeromexico being a Mexican airline, what if they don't comply with maintena
: The MD-87 is the Hot Rod of the DC-9/MD-87 series.
: KUHNE Would you have asked this question 10 0r maybe 15 years ago the answer would have been DONT FLY THEM. But the new Aeromexico it top notch and po
: thanks guys I don't know why you are so ofended, I am not racist, I am Mexican, I am just being honest with what I feel, Aeromexico is a great airline
: No, at least I don't. Their numbers might look red if we are talking about money but anything else it is top notch. RM