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New Airline For Smokers: Smintair  
User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14078 times:

A German businessman has founded an airline dedicated to smokers.

Smintair, or "Smokers' International Airways," aims to cater for smoking passengers, particularly from Asia, who feel they have been squeezed out of the market.

Its first aircraft are due to take off in October on a route between Dusseldorf and Tokyo and are expected to serve mainly Japanese businessmen.

Smintair's founder, Alexander Schoppmann, himself a 30-a-day man, said he was trying to offer an alternative in an age when smoking is banned on all major airlines.

"It disturbs me that I pay a lot of money for a ticket only to be told what I can and cannot do," he said.


What a joke...

Smintair's founder, Alexander Schoppmann, a 30-a-day man, said: "There are no laws banning smoking on board. The airlines have made these rules themselves because no-smoking planes are cheaper. It means you don't have to change the air filter system so regularly."


http://www.nysun.com/article/35150
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...Sheet=/news/2006/06/27/ixnews.html


I scratch my head, therefore I am.
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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14051 times:

I'm a smoker myself but I never ever lit up in the air (back in the days). Its simply disgusting!


Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14043 times:

Good God , April the 1st again already  Smile


One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14012 times:

We pump a load of money into the government funds,when we buy a pack of 20,so why are they telling us where we can smoke and where we cannot smoke. Good luck to the guy if he can bring an Airline into service that says

(yes smoking please) insted of no smoking please.

dave


User currently offlineABC9 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13969 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Thread starter):
A German businessman has founded an airline dedicated to smokers.

Before the smoking police jump all over this thread, remember it's a matter of choice - no-one will be forced to fly on this airline. If he can get the load factor to make a success of this, then best of luck to him. In the short term, with the novelty factor and the routing he's apparently looking at, it could be a runner, but long term I can't really see it being a lasting success.


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13969 times:

Only 85p for 20 here  Smile

But yep, a great idea ................



One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13953 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Thread starter):
"It disturbs me that I pay a lot of money for a ticket only to be told what I can and cannot do," he said.



Quoting Express1 (Reply 3):
so why are they telling us where we can smoke and where we cannot smoke.

Because it's their aircraft, not yours.


User currently offlineSpoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13943 times:

Interesting idea. Its essentially a boutique airline aiming for a very specific market. As the majors generalize their products more and more, I wouldn't be suprised to see more airlines like this.

What other specific markets could we see an airline attempt to specialize in and serve?



...carelessness and overconfidence are usually far more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks. - Wilbur Wright
User currently offlineLordanmol From India, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13881 times:

Here is their website

http://smintair.com/

Regards



Hmmmmm....
User currently offlineJumbopilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13788 times:

I am a non smoker, but this is an interesting project.

If all the pax and the staff are agreed it is ok. That`s all adult people they should know what they do. For all the other ones there are enough usual airlines available.

If you have a look to their website note the drawings of the cabins. Huge space for everyone, just 138 seats per a/c.

Guess they claim a lot of money for a ticket. So, it is nothing for me, cause I would get pain in my head.  talktothehand 

Derek



User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13761 times:

Im all for freedom of choice but this is taking the piss
Its is quite often for safety purposes and just defeates the object. Also what happens if a family has to use these flights

And btw I am fourteen and think smoking is a disgusting habit

Tom


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13752 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):

Bit harsh and I wonder who the sponsors are. Marlboro or British Tobacco perhaps


Tom


User currently offlineJumbopilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13706 times:

BA787:

Tom,

Basically I am on you side. But I think, liable families won't go this way.

Derek


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13699 times:

This is almost as silly as the idea of starting a LCC just b/c you have 150 CRJs lying around. And we all know how well that worked.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13699 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
Also what happens if a family has to use these flights

No-one has to use those flights. There's already an established network of non-smoking flights around the globe. If someone wants to start extra flights aimed at smokers, I really don't see what business it is of people who don't smoke - just don't take those flights!  Smile


User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1565 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13683 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
Also what happens if a family has to use these flights

Families don't HAVE to use the flights. It's primarily set up for businessmen who travel between Germany and Japan and want to smoke. Take a look at the website and have a chuckle while you read it, it looks like it's been created as a college project.

When I first saw the name of the carrier, I thought it was going to be sponsored by the mint company to keep the smokers breath fresh!!!


User currently offlineSamair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13665 times:

A good idea for Charter holiday makers for PMI TFS on high density routes

[Edited 2006-06-27 17:32:34]


the captain has now dimmed the lights for take off this is a routine procedure for flights during the hours of darkness!
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13665 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 13):
This is almost as silly as the idea of starting a LCC just b/c you have 150 CRJs lying around.

I don't see the similarity. In one case you have a fleet looking for a market and in the other you have a perceived market that requires a fleet. Whether the market is substantial enough remains to be seen, of course. Last time I checked the site it was looking like an all business affair.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
Its is quite often for safety purposes

I think it's more for heath reasons, i.e. forcing other passengers and especially crew (as they spend more time in the air) to breath second hand smoke. I'm not saying smoking in the air is "safe" but it's not high in the list of accident causes.


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13579 times:

I think it's a great idea but the destination is wrong. China would be the PERFECT market for this.

User currently offline747SPA330MD11 From Germany, joined Dec 2003, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

But who will lease the planes to the airline. After one year in service the cabin is fully contaminated with yellow nicotine - return to other airline will be impossible


Save the 747 SP !!
User currently offlineABC9 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13435 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
Also what happens if a family has to use these flights



Quoting ABC9 (Reply 4):
remember it's a matter of choice - no-one will be forced to fly on this airline.

I think any family head who chose to fly on this airline would be showing a touch of irresponsibility to his younger kin. Mind you with just 138 seats it sounds like it would be a very expensive way to fly a family to a holiday destination. There are enough smoke-free and less expensive options between Germany and Japan that there's no reason for a family to ever need to fly with them.


User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13427 times:

For the price pax will have to pay for a ticket it should come with complimentary lung cancer and emphysema screening.

I'm glad that smoking is no longer allowed on US carriers.



Flying Colors Forever!
User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13409 times:

What aircraft are they going to operate ??
The website mentions a Jumbo Jet and also talk about the sponsors and the jet fuel for a 744...
so if their choice is a 744... where are they getting it from ??? Brand new from Boeing ?

-Zaki

[Edited 2006-06-27 18:51:24]

User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13362 times:

Now my question is... will I be allowed to smoke my Cigar on this flight, or will the cigarette smokers complain about that?

As far as I'm concerned, I hope this airline is a smashing success. Then I wont have to sit next to the one who complains about not being able to light up. In the long run these people are only killing themselves.  tombstone 

Peace  box 



AVIATION - A Vacation In Any Town, I Own Nothing
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13320 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 21):
I'm glad that smoking is no longer allowed on US carriers

I second that.
It is freedom of choice, but currently I think that smoking needs to be discouraged as it causes death, not encouraged by an airline that is obviously sponsored by a major tobacco firm (rather large budget don't you think?). If passengers want to commit a slow and painful suicide then so be it. Also, what sort of a business plan is this? An airline designed solely for smokers will not go very far in my view, if anything more people will become aware of the fatal dangers of smoking and quit, which would render this airline rather useless. And yes what will the airline do when it goes bust as no self respecting airline will buy a plane that is nicotine stained. Imagine the atmosphere, 139 smokers lighting up, it will be a m,iracle if the crew can see where to go? Will the crew be allowed to light up?

Just a niche market that with a bit of luck will be rendered useless in the near future.

Tom


25 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : But some of their "thoughts" are rather tasteless: Ladies and Gentlemen, dear Guests, Before I would like to share my next to 50 years of experience
26 BA787 : BULLSHIT If a non smoker set foot on one of the flights, they'd have smoked 40 by the time they got off, without even lighting one. And Passive smoki
27 Post contains images David L : Yes, I'm not buying their propaganda but it's not as if they have to persuade their target audience much. Whoa, steady on! Do you think one single pe
28 BA787 : Well for a start it might prevent them from lighting up twenty or so cigarettes which costs nearly 100 minutes of their life. (which has been proven
29 David L : At the moment they just light up as soon as they can after the flight. I doubt a significant number give up smoking because they can't smoke for a fe
30 Jetdeltamsy : Nothing a little soap and water won't remove. But I feel sorry for the crews. Imagine working in such an environment. Ugh.
31 OB1504 : I wonder what the health insurance costs will be...
32 UA2162 : Fair is fair - the crew should be able to smoke too. I know many flight attendants that would love to work this flight if it meant they could light u
33 Glareskin : The name is probably on purpose similar. It is a good idea for the targeted route as well; both Germany and Japan have a lot of smokers. Now on a sid
34 Afay1 : Also as an aside, if the origin/destination country allows it, or the country's whose airspace one is in, or international airspace....could one smoke
35 Ualcsr : I'm a smoker but I remember smoking flights and it wasn't pretty. However, no one will have a gun put to their head to buy a ticket on this airline so
36 Post contains images David L : As I said, it depended on the airline. I remember some smokey atmospheres but they were the exception in my experience. And that was before I started
37 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5121786.stm Before it can launch, Smintair needs to find at least 40 million euros (£27.6m) for an operating licenc
38 TheSunseeker : look at it like this: its a Cargo Airline, selling some first class seats as well. It could work! Very interesting project!
39 Raventom : You can imagine on the news: "Smintair plane is set alight"
40 Tommy777 : I love the all C/F layout on this 744! I'm not sure they will find over 130 premium smokers pax (even if the Japanese are big smokers). It's hard enou
41 Tbnist03 : This airline better hope it's supposed to be similar, or I imagine lawsuits would be flung their way. Even if this does succeed, I won't be flying th
42 LO231 : So is drinking, ban drinking alcohol on flights if you want to be politically correct. Regards, LO231
43 Post contains images David L : As far as I know people in Germany still work in bars and restaurants where smoking is permitted. Health and safety issues concerning the crew may be
44 Utapao : Didn't someone else try this a few years ago... or at least announce intentions to begin such service?? Sure seems like I've heard of this a couple of
45 AsstChiefMark : How will they be able to tell if they have smoke in the cabin or cockpit? I can just see the smoke pouring out of the jetway into the terminal during
46 David L : The same way they used to before smoking was stopped. Why? It never used to.
47 Caspian27 : Here's a quote from the 'About Us' section on their website: "Non-smokers will find the cabin air more refreshing than on any other flight with any ot
48 Jonty : In his thaughts the guy says: "Since "Concorde" was taken out of the skies, the last resort of service went with it. Until the last flight you were al
49 Bohlman : Since when is this true: JetA is $100 a barrel? A 747-400 carries 1,000,000 barrels of JetA?
50 TWAtwaTWA : An imaginary businessman has founded an airline dedicated to crack addicts. Crackair, or Cocaine International Airways, aims to cater for addicts who
51 Jetdeltamsy : Yea. Whatever. They'd all be on disability from emphysema within 5 years. I would imagine that OSHA would have a REAL problem with the repeated, long
52 Post contains images MD80fanatic : Awww for pete's sake. Put a cork in it already. I'm old enough that I remember smoking flights and there was more fresh air flowing through the cabin
53 Post contains links TWAtwaTWA : I'm all for freedom. But as physician, I need to post my $0.02 here. Second hand smoke is actually a big deal that has long been known (in medical ci
54 MD80fanatic : Aw c'mon doc....these "experts" are the same ones who can't decide whether fat is good for you or not, or soy beans, or wheat germ.....or whether cell
55 N867BX : Air Canada DC9. Late 70's/early 80's?
56 TWAtwaTWA : Your comment about more normal activities such as eating this or that, or whether cell phones radiation exposure is a real risk, is well taken. There
57 Post contains images Lhrmaccoll : Even if there were these regs, they could always just say 'don't smoke for 15 minutes until we are out of germany' or something Alex
58 Post contains images Aeroplan73 : Personally I am a non-smoker, but I think the idea of a smokers airline is interesting. As long as the employees, and all passengers were okay with th
59 Kwcarolma : Interesting idea. But personally I don't think it'll work well. I don't have any data to support me, but I believe the majority of the smoking group d
60 Eirjet : I concur, by the way welcome to A.netters. Eirjet
61 Post contains images Thegooddoctor : Uhh, I get the feeling they are not going to be running "essential air service" routes where they are the only carrier. Also, no smoking on flights i
62 Jorge1812 : Can't find them. Georg
63 PanHAM : same as for anybody else. Health insurance in Germany is a socialist system not really. They could only sell through a GSA. Make your own calculation
64 Post contains images Apuneger : So what would they do if they detect smoke in the cabin? Seriously, if he thinks it's a good idea, then I'd say 'let him do his thing', but I would ne
65 Post contains images AMSSpotter : I wish them good luck, after all one doesn't have to fly on a filthy-smelling, smoke-infested plane. What I would welcome is an adult-only airline wit
66 Mikkimus : As a 40-per-day man and regular CDG-BKK-SYD victim I thought I would not survive the grind when it became no-smoking. BUT on arrival at each end I fel
67 Britannia191A : My son would welcome an Adult free airline where he doesnt have to be irritated by annoying adults! I dont have any problem with people who want to s
68 ZRH : Always the same nonsense. With drinking you only harm yourself and not other people but with smoking you bother and harm others. This is totally diff
69 Tockeyhockey : the crazy thing is that all the smokers i know would be disgusted by being on a plane with dozens of other smokers. i know some smokers who prefer non
70 Mush : From your lips to god's ears...I'm all for an adults only airline. They should put in a pole and have the F/As strip also...there could be separate m
71 Mush : I guess in Switzerland you don't have drunk people or drivers. Drunk people bother and harm others all of the time. Have you ever been out to the bar
72 Post contains links and images David L : That's the one that usually comes up. http://www.aviation-safety.net/datab...e/record.php?id=19830602-1&lang=en Close but no cigar, literally. That's
73 Post contains images AutoThrust : Thats a joke isnt it? Wich plane do they want use for that maybe a 737 classic because less humidity to enlight better the cigaretts?
74 PanHAM : no comparison. DWI is illegal and will be punished more or less severe in most countries, whereas it is still legal in many countries to harm people
75 Naritaflyer : Sounds like a stupid pipe dream. Or maybe a front for shady businessmen. It's stupid idea coming from a person who obviously is either naive about the
76 Post contains images AMSSpotter : Too bad for your kids but the plane wouldn't get very far if only kids were allowed on board. And, yes, it must be extremely annoying to a kid if it'
77 ABC9 : Would that be smoked fish ?
78 BuyantUkhaa : It just occured to me that the biggest clue that the guy doesn't know how to run an airline, is that he plans to use 744s for a start-up niche market.
79 Post contains images Tod : If the lease ended at the same time as the D check was required it would be a non-issue since the whole interior would be coming out anyway. I would
80 Mush : I wasn't talking about the legality of DWI or smoking...I was talking about the fact that both kill. ZRH wrote that drinking only harms yourself whil
81 Post contains images David L : They'd be a bit stupid to do that. They'd advertise for anyone but make it clear that it would be a smoking environment. Just like someone hiring sca
82 PanHAM : well, what would be their choices of interlining? LH, NH or JL? I doubt that they would get into agreements. That would leave LCC's like dba, Air Ber
83 MD80fanatic : If the cabin outflow valves were set as they are on a non-smoking flight, I'd agree with this. However, when the valves are opened to maximum (of cou
84 Spantax : Well, I am against smoking. Smoking is one of the most stupid things an human can do. But let's explore another possibility: TOPLESS AIRLINES. Well, i
85 Post contains images David L : This seems to be a bit contentious but the bottom line is that it when it was allowed it wasn't as bad as some people are guessing. Obviously there w
86 Nzrich : Well tell that to the crew that had to work the flights !!!! Not nice working in a smoking section even if you were a smoker ...Was horrible if you d
87 Jumbopilot : Hi Georg, Please go to the homepage. Within the text on the right side there are some linked words in the last passage. Derek
88 Post contains images David L : Which is precisely what I and others have said above.
89 Cedarjet : Idiot. On his website he claims Concorde flights were smoking flights right to the end. Babes, Concorde was the same as any other plane; and I was on
90 PanHAM : I am not using the word, but you are exactly right, Cedarjet. This guy and the whole project is phony but he got a lot of PR this week in Germany on T
91 David L : There's quite a bit of propaganda there, which stupid really. I mean, there's not a lot of point in trying to persuade non-smokers and smokers don't
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