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Wizz Air Announce Major Expansion In Romania  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

Wizz Air entered the Romanian market about two month ago with flights between Targu Mures and Budapest and as many people expected more routes have followed and they have today annouced 8 further routes from Romania to Europe.

This is one of the last markets in Europe left without much of a LCC market and Wizz Air is really expanding throughout Central and Eastern Europe and leading the way opening up new routes other LCC haven't considered or explored.

New Routes:

Bucharest Baneasa -
Barcelona (3x Weekly)
Budapest (3x Weekly)
Dortmund (3x Weekly)
London Luton (3x Weekly)
Rome Ciampino (4x Weekly)

Arad -
Milan Bergamo (3x Weekly)

Targu Mures -
Budapest (3x Weekly)
Barcelona (3x Weekly)
Rome Ciampino (3x Weekly)

Im not atall familiar with Romania so don't know my geography of the country, but I suspect the flights to Bucharest are to a secondary airport and not the cities main airport.

Press Realease - http://wizzair.com/cgi-bin/news.cgi?LANGUAGE=English#SQPrirvf

[Edited 2006-06-27 20:07:20]

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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7403 times:

Saw them at Schiphol around 1800 today. One ugly livery, even when compared to the Easyjet A319 parked next to it.


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
Saw them at Schiphol around 1800 today. One ugly livery,

I think it is a very cool livery and even though it is a little to pink and is very bright.

Anyway you won't have to put up with it for long as they have had enough of AMS and moving all dutch operations to EIN.


Press Release:

Eindhoven is Wizz Air's new destination in The Netherlands
2006. 06. 14.
Wizz Air, Central and Eastern Europe's largest low fare - low cost airline announced today that it would move from Amsterdam-Schiphol Airport to Eindhoven Airport as of 19th September 2006.

This step will result in lower fares and faster, easier check-in and boarding for the passengers, as Eindhoven is a smaller and more cost efficient airport than Schiphol in Amsterdam. The savings will be passed directly on to the customers who can book their flight for as little as 29,99 EUR (including taxes and charges) on wizzair.com or via call centre (+36 1 470 94 99. Eindhoven will become a new and exciting destination for Hungarians, who can now easily travel not only to Amsterdam and South-Holland, but also the Northern part of Belgium and the Ruhr region in Germany. On the other hand, Budapest will be another great Central-European destination to discover for travellers from Eindhoven and the region.

"We guarantee the lowest fares between Holland and Hungary. We are very proud to offer this new low fare flight to our passengers from Eindhoven and we invite them to discover the beautiful historical sites and great night life of Budapest and Hungary. Eindhoven Airport is also a great gateway for us to a number of regions like Southern Holland, Ruhr region and Northern Belgium. We are looking forward to our first flight and fruitful cooperation." - said Natasa Kázmér, Director of Corporate Communication and Public Affairs of Wizz Air.

Joost Meijs, Director Commercial Services & PR at Eindhoven Airport added: "Budapest has been on our list for a while now and we are especially pleased to offer this new and booming destination from Eindhoven Airport through Wizz Air, the most dynamically growing Central and Eastern European low fare airline. The increasing number of flights to more and more destinations means more passengers, fast developing economy and therefore more jobs in the region. We are committed to contribute to this development and offer more exciting destinations from Eindhoven Airport."


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7331 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Im not atall familiar with Romania so don't know my geography of the country, but I suspect the flights to Bucharest are to a secondary airport and not the cities main airport.

Not clear yet which airport in Bucharest are they going to operate out of. Few LCC like Blue Air, My Air, SkyEurope are currently using Bucharest Baneasa BBU, which is smaller than Bucharest Otopeni OTP (main airport) but way much closer to downtown or Bucharest North (main rail-station). In my opinion Bucharest to London could be a huge success if UK finally lifts visa requirement for Romanian nationals.

Surprized though Wizz didn't think about the oportunity of linking Arad - Western Romania (only 45 km away from Timisoara TSR !), to London.

Blue Air is starting Arad to Frankfurt Hahn HHN and Verona - VRN plus a second destination in Spain this fall. There are rumors that two other major LCC are currently negotiating with Arad International ARW for taping into Romanian market.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7288 times:

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 3):
Not clear yet which airport in Bucharest are they going to operate out of

Press Release states Banesa. I take it they will base an aircraft there?

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 3):
Blue Air is starting Arad to Frankfurt Hahn HHN and Verona - VRN

Haven't they recently dropped Arad-Bresica flights? Its also interesting that non of the Wizz Air routes compete with Blue Air, though for how long will that remain the case?

Also of note is the use of BCN. Wizz Air's Katowice and Budapest flights serve Gerona. Could Wizz Air be pulling out of Gerona soon?



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
Press Release states Banesa. I take it they will base an aircraft there?

You're right I did review that press release after my first post and it seems that Bucharest Baneasa BBU is Wizz's choice. Which is the right one in my opinion. BBU unlike Frankfurt Hahn is merely a 15 min drive to downtown Bucharest and has lower operating fees. At least for the time being! It's getting crowded fast though and any late arrivals may be booted soon to Bucharest Otopeni OTP along with BA LH AF KLM AZ RO and the likes. It looks like Wizz will base an aircraft at BBU provided that they can timely secure a parking spot. From what I know Blue Air which is based at BBU is planing to bring in two more B737 and perhaps two turbo-props this coming fall.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
Haven't they recently dropped Arad-Bresica flights?

You probably ment Brescia-Verona VBS. That's right Blue Air dropped VBS only to switch to Verona VRN. At the time local newspapers were mentioning something about a 50% load out of Arad alone. In fact Blue Air's operated that flight between BBU and VBS with one stop (30 min) in Arad ARW.

Arad's catchment area is fairly large including Timisoara and Oradea (Romania), Szeged (Hungary) NoviSad (Serbia) so I think is got a bright future as a dedicated LCC destination. While Timisoara International Aiport is owned by Romanian Government, Arad International (only 45 km North) is own and run by the Local County Authority wich is largely open-up to negotiation when it comes down to operating fees. Arad is also a huge rail hub located onto the pre-planned European Corridor IV freeway.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
I take it they will base an aircraft there?

Looking at the timings, it seems that all the Bucharest-flights are W-pattern flights :S The other schedules are not yet released for that dates, but looking at these timings, it is clear that there is a first morning (6:00am) flight to CIA or DTM and the aircraft then makes a rotation to Bucharest before returning to it's base.

CIA-BBU//BBU-CIA
08:10-11:00//11:30-12:30 Tu, Th
09:25-12:15//12:45-13:45 Fr, Su

DTM-BBU//BBU-DTM
08:00-11:25//11:55-13:35 Tu, Th
08:10-11:35//12:05-13:45 Sa

The Barcelona flight is even a red-eye:
BBU-BCN//BCN-BBU
22:45-01:00//01:35-05:30 Tu, Th
00:00-02:15//02:50-06:45 Sa

All together, it does not seems like there is an a/c based at Bucharest. Wizzair seem to have a different strategy than Ryanair and easyJet, who almost only operate Base-Spoke flights, whereas Wizzair has a whole load of city-city flights, as long as all flights return to a base in the end of a day.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7081 times:

I would title the thread "Major Wizzair retreat from markets invaded by Ryanair"
as this will not be an expansion but capacity shift from other markets currently served by Wizz.


User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

THis is fantastic news actually! Romania is a big big place and is really under served at the moment with LCCs.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Im not atall familiar with Romania so don't know my geography of the country

Targu Mures is in the center of the country and has a large Hungarian minority (hence flights to Budapest). Also the location is close to many other reasonablly large towns.
Arad is a large city close to the Hungarian and Serbian borders but i am not sure how much cross border traffic will be generated (Serbian people need a visa for Romania Sad )

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
One ugly livery, even when compared to the Easyjet A319 parked next to it

Yes, the colours are 'interesting' but it looks ok and the aircrafts are very new and clean. Also it is very bright colours and people recognise it after they've flown it

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 3):
In my opinion Bucharest to London could be a huge success if UK finally lifts visa requirement for Romanian nationals

Yes, this route will be a big success, certainly i will visit--have never been to Bucahrest. The United Kingdom will remove the visa restrictions on Romania and on Bulgaria on the day that they join the EU, and if we look at the starting date of the routes (15th Janurary 2007) its very likely they will be members  Smile (lets hope, cos it hasn't been decided 100% if 1st of January is the day). Romania will become the new Poland in terms of huge movement of people and in terms of huge LCC expansion. I'm sure in years time Ryanair will have invaded and by flying to even the smallest of airport there (are there are a lot!!).

Regards, and good luck to Romania and Wizz.

Adriaticflight


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
I would title the thread "Major Wizzair retreat from markets invaded by Ryanair"

What routes are they stopping?


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
I would title the thread "Major Wizzair retreat from markets invaded by Ryanair"
as this will not be an expansion but capacity shift from other markets currently served by Wizz.

The only route I can think of is waw-kaunas that will be cancelled 15th Sept.

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 8):
The United Kingdom will remove the visa restrictions on Romania and on Bulgaria on the day that they join the EU, and if we look at the starting date of the routes (15th Janurary 2007) its very likely they will be members (lets hope, cos it hasn't been decided 100% if 1st of January is the day).

I thought it had been delayed for a year to Jan 2008 for Romania and Bulgaria to join the EU.

All the "new" EU countries will join the Schengen with Switzerland in Jan 2007 the border controls will not disappear but it will be easier for people to travel around on one Visa. Is UK the only EU country requiring a Visa for Romanians and Bulgarians or do some of the "new" EU or Switzerland do as well?

Sukhoi


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 9):
What routes are they stopping?

Kaunas will be dropped while other routes will have frequencies reduced. KTW will be slashed quite significantly.


User currently offlineMaartenV From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6979 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
I would title the thread "Major Wizzair retreat from markets invaded by Ryanair"

That explains why they move from a FR free airport like AMS to an airport that is dominated by FR (EIN) and will probably become a FR base in the (near) future after the noise restrictions have been relaxed...



Its all about supply and demand...
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

Quoting MaartenV (Reply 12):
That explains why they move from a FR free airport like AMS to an airport that is dominated by FR (EIN) and will probably become a FR base in the (near) future after the noise restrictions have been relaxed...

Not really a valid argument. Also here, they move away from competition (SkyEurope is well estabilished on AMS-BUD, next to KL and MA and I was surprised why they started in the first time) to an airport where the route and even the market is totally unserved. Ryanair only serves DUB, STN, BGY, PSA, CIA, GRO and in the near future MRS. They don't compete with Ryanair on Netherlands-Hungary.

For KTW, they do compete with Ryanair, Ryanair to KRK and Wizzair to KTW, but that is strong competition. And when Ryanair starts a base, I think they will primiraly focus on vacation routes (Valencia, Malaga, Venice), and not so much on Polish routes: they Netherlands-Poland routes are just not as popular as the UK-Poland routes or Ireland-Poland routes, as simple road traffic is far more popular on these migration routes to the Netherlands, different than for the UK.

I'm not too surprised for Kaunas being dropped. They also announced MMX-KUN a while ago but never started. Will they continue GDN-NYO, the only route in direct competition with FR?


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 11):
KTW will be slashed quite significantly.

They've only recently announced new routes to ORK, DSA and Oslo Torp



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

At the cost of reduction of Luton, Hahn, Skavista, Liverpool and Beauvais.

User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 15):
At the cost of reduction of Luton, Hahn, Skavista, Liverpool and Beauvais.

Another Ryanaire fanatic  Wink

I think it's a good move actually! Romania is bound to join the EU soon so we should expect a flood of Romanian tourists, Businessman, and unfortunately a small amount of one legged beggars soon!

Better to fly on Wizz than face grueling 10 hour + bus journey! Main advantage of LCC's actually... Good alternative to Busses  Smile


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 15):
At the cost of reduction of Luton, Hahn, Skavista, Liverpool and Beauvais.

But FR's routes from Krakow dont go to Skvasta and Beauvais, so are those routes just under-performing of is it competition from SkyEurope cauing Wizz problems?



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
All together, it does not seems like there is an a/c based at Bucharest

True, but by the time the 2007 summer schedule will come in Wizz may change that. They are scheduled to take delivery of four new A320 next year.

Accordingly to Wizz's CEO - in the Romanian press - the airline intends to base two aircraft at Bucharest Baneasa and perhaps expand further their routes into Grece, Turkey and Ukraine.

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 8):
The United Kingdom will remove the visa restrictions on Romania and on Bulgaria on the day that they join the EU, and if we look at the starting date of the routes (15th Janurary 2007) its very likely they will be members (lets hope, cos it hasn't been decided 100% if 1st of January is the day).

As far as I know UK promised Romania and Bulgaria to lift its visa requirement PRIOR to the date of these countries accession to EU. So any time now...

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 10):
thought it had been delayed for a year to Jan 2008 for Romania and Bulgaria to join the EU

Romania and Bulgaria have already signed the EU Open Sky agreement in June so their EU's accession date is irrelevant on the issue being discussed here.

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 10):
Is UK the only EU country requiring a Visa for Romanians and Bulgarians or do some of the "new" EU or Switzerland do as well?

Prague, 12 December 2001 (RFE/RL) -- The European Union has formally agreed to lift visa requirements for Romanians starting on 1 January.
The unanimous decision by the EU justice and interior ministers means that Romanian citizens will be able to travel without a visa to the 15 states that are members of the Schengen agreement -- that is, all the EU states except Ireland and the United Kingdom, plus non-EU members Norway and Iceland.


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6793 times:

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 18):
Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 10):
thought it had been delayed for a year to Jan 2008 for Romania and Bulgaria to join the EU

Romania and Bulgaria have already signed the EU Open Sky agreement in June so their EU's accession date is irrelevant on the issue being discussed here.

I know about the open skies. But these routes would be even more successful if Romania joined the EU in Jan 2007 and Romanians was allowed to work in the EU not only going for holidays.


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