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Star Alliance If Varig Disappears?  
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

If Varig collapses, the Star Alliance will lose its only member based in South and Central America. My question is, what airline(s) would be most eligible to join the Star Alliance?

TACA - Already UA code share partner but is primarily Central America
Lan Chile - Already One World member
TAM - Already code share partner with AA
GOL - LCC, probably wouldn't fit with Star
Avianca?
Aerolineas Argentina?

I personally would love to see TACA, Avianca, Aerolineas Argentina and GOL join.


Since there are other threads already discussing Varig's situation, I would like to limit this to the assumption that Varig disappears.

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4803 times:
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LA - SK must be kicking themselves for selling their stake in LA a few years
ago ( and NZ must be very annoyed that SK outbid them - they could
have had a stake in what is now the strongest carrier in South America
for a fraction of the money they wasted 'investing' in AN )

JJ - yes they are already a codeshare partner of AA - but I could imagine
the Star partners being prepared to bend over backwards to lure them
in - I can also imagine there being serious anti-trust problems with
getting them into OW - if you look at how big a market share LA/AA
already have in the USA-South America market , also taking into account
the loss of RG then perhaps having JJ in Oneworld would concentrate
too much market share in one alliance for US regulators liking ( never
mind if MX came on board as well )

AR - theoretically a great partner ( and I would love to see a Star
carrier on the Australia-New Zealand-South America route) how
are they financially these days ? Only other airline I can see in
their FF programme is JK , a star carrier. They dont really have
many ties to anybody - but up until recently I dont think anyone
wanted to have ties with them . EZE is not a well-placed hub for
South America except for traffic coming from NZ/Aus . For the European
or North American markets it is too far South - imagine flying
FRA-x/EZE-CCS or MIA-x/EZE-GRU
People often make a big deal of their part ownership by Marsans which
I believe also has a stake in JK , an existing , if minor , star carrier - I
am not sure how valid this is - a big factor against them could be the
current Argentinian administrations desire to at least partially
re-nationalize the airline.

AV - who owns them these days ? if anything they look more likely for
Skyteam ( based on the fact that their FF programme shows only
two partner airlines : AF and DL )

GOL - not sure they would be interested - too costly for them and what
real benefit would they get out of it - they are doing very nicely on
their own.



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1116 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
AV - who owns them these days ?

AV's assets were acquired while AV was in bankrupcty reorganization in 2004 by a Brasilian company called Synergy SA. Synergy is owned by a naturalized Brasilian citizen from Bolivia, German Eframovich.

Synergy also owns Ocean Air of Brasil and a 49% interest in a new carrier in Peru called Wayra, as well as small carrier in Ecuador called VIP.

Synergy acquired a number of ex-AA F100's [I believe they acquired 25] and has introduced the type at AV, Ocean and Wayra.

Synergy was also RUMORED to be interested in acquiring RG's assets during the failed auction last month.

While Synergy has stated it wishes to execute a multinational, integrated strategy involving all its regional carriers in South America, this objective appears to be medium-term.

AV is also evaluating A and B models to replace its long-haul fleet and will, most likely, select the B-787 sometime in the near future.

Finally, while Eframovich does have a significant presence in the region's civil aviation sector, his primary business is oil services, specifically off-shore oil drilling in Brasil and a shipyard in Rio de Janeiro that fabricates oil rigs and tankers.

AV has traditionally maintained tied to DL. However, with CM and Aerorepublica now in Skyteam, it could very well consider Star Alliance.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
EZE is not a well-placed hub for
South America except for traffic coming from NZ/Aus . For the European
or North American markets it is too far South - imagine flying
FRA-x/EZE-CCS or MIA-x/EZE-GRU

I agree. It seems like BOG would be a better Hub.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Personally I would like to see GOL. Sure GOL is doing well on their own but I think it would be good for them in getting a lot more traffic from UA and CO flying down to GRU and taking the remaining legs to FOR, MAO, BSB and much more! At least a code share with UA would be good. GOL I believe is in a good possition now. Sadly at RG's expense. TAM is going great as usual but I would take a wild stab in the air and say that if GOL started to get some bigger aircraft such as 757's maybe a few 767's they could claim dominance in Brazil to other latin american countries traffic.

Brazil is a big market to lose a *A member. They would need a airline in Brazil to help out in that area. That is unless of course UA started to fly some shorter routes to the north of Brazil from IAD. AA seems to be in the best possition with routes from MIA for this though.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4832 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
AR - theoretically a great partner ( and I would love to see a Star
carrier on the Australia-New Zealand-South America route)

NZ plans to fly to Brazil and EZE around 2010 possibly via PPT however.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4356 times:
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
NZ plans to fly to Brazil and EZE around 2010 possibly via PPT however.

EZE ? - all the threads I have seen up until now have said SCL and GRU
( although in any case it would be good to have a link provided by NZ ) - but would the South American routes go ahead if there is no Star partner to provide feed?



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 2):
Synergy is owned by a naturalized Brasilian citizen from Bolivia, German Eframovich.

Yes, and Efromovich is also a naturalized Colombian.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 2):
RUMORED to be interested

It was confirmed that they were part of the initial interested parties at the beginning of the process but at the end they weren't interested anymore.


I personally will like to see AV in Star Alliance but I am not sure if it lack of presence in central America and its current destinations would be interesting enough to feed the other Star Alliance partners.. BOG is a great geographic place for a HUB though, specially now that it will be rebuilt and expanded.



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Of course if the rumours of Singapore Airlines assessing the benefits of Star membership and thinking of going it alone is to be believe, Star will have a rather bigger headache soon.

JJ would be the best bet for a carrier not yet in an alliance, but I was always under the impression that Skyteam was considered more likely. But of course that was withVarig already in Star, so you never know....



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4026 times:
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For me the big problem Star will face has a single name: São Paulo. While AF, KLM, SA)">AA has agreements with Tam to use their domestic network, SA / LH / TP / UA probably need an agreement to even get access to Rio de Janeiro (except UA/TP), Brasilia, Curitiba, Porto Alegre and Belo Horizonte among others.

Remember that Sky Team is also looking for a South American partner.

EZE imo is bad located for a hub and BOG is not a convenient stop for Brazil as AV. Also both AV and AR will need a full range of services to more than 15 big brazilian cities (POA, CWB, CNF, BSB, GIG, SSA, REC, NAT, FOR, MAO, BEL, CPQ, GRU, IGU, FLN), they need to grow too much!

Gol is the beautiful princess, probably everyone is looking to them (and due to the fact that both Varig and Tam offer domestic services very similar to them) but their network at GRU is 50% of GIG (secondary hub) and 25% of CGH (Main Hub). Gol IMO it's the only one can fulfill Star or Sky needs, and in 2 years will be the biggest South American player (nowadays Gol runs 530 daily flights with 50 planes against 640 from Tam with around 80) due to the fact that they have less non stop service and do not keep long haul on international.

Felipe



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User currently offlineUAL#1Fan From United States of America, joined May 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3779 times:

United may start adding new routes to South America from IAD or apply for rights to serve some Varig routes from GRU or GIG.


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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3572 times:

Star needs GOL. GOL doesn't need Star. GOL has shown they don't need any form of alliance to fill their aircraft on domestic flights.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting UAL#1Fan (Reply 10):
United may start adding new routes to South America from IAD or apply for rights to serve some Varig routes from GRU or GIG.

I doubt if United and/or Dulles can really support much more South America flying beyond the continent's two largest business markets, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3197 times:
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Quoting UAL#1Fan (Reply 10):
United may start adding new routes to South America from IAD or apply for rights to serve some Varig routes from GRU or GIG.

They could fly in the future IAD-GIG and IAD-GRU for example, and i believe UA will just sell Gol tickets for connections thru GIG (where Gol keep 6x daily BSB 5x daily CNF 4x daily VIX and CPQ and 7x daily CGH) to North/Northeast and GRU for south (POA, CWB, IGU and FLN)

Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):
I doubt if United and/or Dulles can really support much more South America flying beyond the continent's two largest business markets, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.

Can support Rio de Janeiro for sure, or can keep the market into AA hands who will fly very soon 12x weekly MIA-GIG (2x daily on high season).

Felipe



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Gol IMO it's the only one can fulfill Star or Sky needs

GOL offers a wide network within Brazil, true.

But what can GOL offer in terms of premium service? What can passengers arriving in Lufthansa First Class expect for their flight with GOL? How would such inconsistency affect Star Alliance?

I believe Star Alliance has to look for network and frequencies, yes, but they also have to search for a company that meets certain standards of service to reduce inconsistencies between member airlines as much as possible.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):
I doubt if United and/or Dulles can really support much more South America flying beyond the continent's two largest business markets, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.

Can support Rio de Janeiro for sure, or can keep the market into AA hands who will fly very soon 12x weekly MIA-GIG (2x daily on high season).

Is UA missing out on the Brasil market though? I would think that AA controls it with the MIA part of the flights. If you think about it, what big tourism would a brasilian do in the USA? Sure the family travel but do you exchange nice beautiful beaches of Brasil for United States beaches haha? I just think AA has the upper hand unless UA starts doing a SFO or LAX route to GRU/GIG



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User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 8):
Of course if the rumours of Singapore Airlines assessing the benefits of Star membership and thinking of going it alone is to be believe, Star will have a rather bigger headache soon

And we are assuning RG will go away.

Then I think it is reasonable to question US/HP's long-term commitment to *A.

Not terribly happy days for the Alliance.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 16):
Then I think it is reasonable to question US/HP's long-term commitment to *A.

And what would they do? Go solo? I think it is a good thing that they stay in the *. No good if they join Sky. But then again, my *A miles wouldnt be good anymore for my usual RG flights. Oh well



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3133 times:
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Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 14):
But what can GOL offer in terms of premium service? What can passengers arriving in Lufthansa First Class expect for their flight with GOL? How would such inconsistency affect Star Alliance?

SouthAmerica please remember that RG does not offer business class or premium service, except for SCL, BOG, CCS, LIM and EZE. All domestic network plus VVI, ASU and MVD does not offer premium service.
Worst than fly with Gol is do not provide a connecting flight to fill their First Class and Business Class needs.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 14):
I believe Star Alliance has to look for network and frequencies, yes, but they also have to search for a company that meets certain standards of service to reduce inconsistencies between member airlines as much as possible.

Ocean Air could be this airline but ANAC does not allow more airlines with hub at CGH and GRU, from 4 F100 rotes approved, 2 fly thru GRU on different times (afternoon) and none thru CGH. So, i only see Gol in conditions to provide connections.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
Is UA missing out on the Brasil market though? I would think that AA controls it with the MIA part of the flights. If you think about it, what big tourism would a brasilian do in the USA? Sure the family travel but do you exchange nice beautiful beaches of Brasil for United States beaches haha? I just think AA has the upper hand unless UA starts doing a SFO or LAX route to GRU/GIG

Brazilians are ranked top 5 on US tourism, ranked 3rd among all nations in terms of expenditures, like to visit New York, California, Florida, Massachusetts, Chicago and also Colorado. Beach is not really a concern, but i mean Disney, Six Flags and many go to the US just for shopping! Look to the US consulate visa line (80 days in Rio de Janeiro, 40 days in Sao Paulo) and you will verify how big is the market Brazil-US even with US$ 1,200 RT fares. UA can get part of this as they can provide connections to LAX, BOS, ORD and other places with direct links.

Felipe



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
many go to the US just for shopping!

Yes I know this one. When I lived in Michigan for the last 2 years, I worked at Best Buy and I met a group of Brasilians and I was talking with them and helping them out because I was the only one that could understand portugese, but they were purchasing ipods, computer parts, car stereos, to take back to Brasil for christmas gifts.

Could HP/US be thinking about entering the Brasil market now with RG on the down swing?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
Brazilians are ranked top 5 on US tourism, ranked 3rd among all nations in terms of expenditures

What country has the most Brasilian travel for vacations and NOT buisness? Is Germany on the top? Would be interesting to know where Brasilians call a good vacation.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
All domestic network plus VVI, ASU and MVD does not offer premium service.

I was unaware of that. Thanks for the data.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
Worst than fly with Gol is do not provide a connecting flight to fill their First Class and Business Class needs.

True. Realistically, the ideal associate member for the Brazilian market would be TAM, and they would still eventually need another airline in Latin America to completely cover the region. Other than TAM, it would be choosing between "the less worst".


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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Court both TAM (JJ) and Aerolineas Argentinas (AR):

- Have both a major Spanish and Portuguese speaking airline in Latin America.
- Have hubs in EZE, GRU and GIG.
- Directly combat Lan's (LA) pan-South-American approach.

IMHO
MH



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
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Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 19):
Could HP/US be thinking about entering the Brasil market now with RG on the down swing?

Unfortunately the Bilateral does not allow this. The only reason now AA, DL, UA and CO flies to Brazil is that in the past RG, JJ, VP and TR use to fly to the United States. HP and US need that three new Brazilian players fly to the US market in order to release/allow a new player (as well as the number of free frequencies are now only 2 per week and need to be improved).

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 19):
What country has the most Brasilian travel for vacations and NOT buisness? Is Germany on the top? Would be interesting to know where Brasilians call a good vacation.

Its hard to say about only vacation, but i'm sure about only the top 3:
Argentina, United States and France. Portugal, Spain, Chile, Italy and Germany are also strong markets for vacation.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 20):
I was unaware of that. Thanks for the data.

Always welcome.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 20):
True. Realistically, the ideal associate member for the Brazilian market would be TAM, and they would still eventually need another airline in Latin America to completely cover the region. Other than TAM, it would be choosing between "the less worst

Agree with you, but seems that TAM is not looking for an alliance nowadays as they have agreements with both Sky Team (AF/KLM) and OW (AA).

Felipe



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Well, in case none of you have noticed, RG has disappeared from the Star Alliance list of airlines.....

http://www.star-alliance.com/star_alliance/star/frame/main_10.html


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Can support Rio de Janeiro for sure, or can keep the market into AA hands who will fly very soon 12x weekly MIA-GIG (2x daily on high season).

There is no way that United could support a Dulles-Rio flight long-term. Maybe they could get it to work on a less-than-daily basis, during the peak December-February period only, and only if they cut the daily continuation of the Dulles-Sao Paulo flight. But even that is a stretch. United's current Dulles-Sao Paulo-Rio pattern is quite sufficient.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
I just think AA has the upper hand unless UA starts doing a SFO or LAX route to GRU/GIG

The California-Brazil flights are notoriously low-yielding, which is why VARIG is not going to be returning to Los Angeles, even though Miami and New York made the company's slimmed-down international network short list. I think United's current service pattern to Brazil (dailies from Chicago and Dulles) is quite sufficient given United's domestic hub structure, and its lack of presence in any really important Latin American markets in the U.S., save in Los Angeles which, once again, is not the best place for a Brazil flight (especially since the suspension of TWOV).

If United were smart vis-a-vis South America, they'd stick with the plan they've been following the last few years -- namely, let others have it. Let American continue to dominate the area it knows best, and let Delta and Continental continue to fight it out for a distant #2. Meanwhile, United should focus on its core competencies when it comes to the global market, namely Asia. That means continuing to bolster their network in the Pacific Rim region, and continuing to seek out new opportunities to open up new markets to its U.S. domestic hub structure (Chicago, San Francisco, and to a lesser extent, Los Angeles) that are perfectly positioned to handle this type of traffic.


25 Dj1986 : Exactly. LH already has that problem on UA/TED. Many people arrive into IAD, ORD or DEN on LH C-Class or even F-Class and have to continue in Y with
26 Post contains links LipeGIG : Commavia i agree in part with you. When UA offer the 2nd flight they could run IAD-GRU and IAD-GIG. " target=_blank>http://www.star-alliance.com/star
27 SRT75 : I completely agree, US/HP is best suited to remain in *A. However, there have been several "rumor" topics here on A.net that the merged company may w
28 United787 : They are still listed on the left hand side.
29 AJMIA : Do you need government approval to join an airline alliance? I thought since they were not mergers that no approval was required. I don't remember he
30 Bicoastal : United has no aircraft and no aircraft on order to do any expansion to anywhere. They need widebodies but CEO Tilton says no order will be placed unt
31 BMIFlyer : Strange, as I cant see them. The list ends with US Airways. Lee
32 Kiwiandrew : while you dont need approval to join an alliance you do need approval for anti-trust immunity to co-operate effectively - just look at BA/AA to see h
33 AJMIA : Ah OK... I understand. But the FF and codeshare programs with AA and JJ are already in place. Would these have to be altered if JJ joined oneworld? D
34 Commavia : Correct. American and TAM already have a codeshare and frequent flyer cooperation agreement in place. In order for TAM to join oneworld, they would h
35 123 : Maybe this will cause many airlines to rethink of only codesharing. LH used to have a great network in Latin America and it was dropped in favor of R
36 MalpensaSFO : No Expansion??? What again do you call Kuwait? Or what did you call Saigon?
37 Bicoastal : You should have posted my entire comment. I also said no new routes without eliminating routes and/or capacity elsewhere. Saigon and Kuwait come at a
38 Planecrazy2 : Oh yeah it's gonna be real fun for UA flyers tomorrow.
39 United787 : Why tomorrow?
40 Arcano : A few years ago, LH's CEO came to Santiago to speak with LA people for leaving oneworld and joining Star Alliance. Thanks god he failed. Really? I don
41 Commavia : Excuse me, but would you mind reading my entire posts before quoting only a section of them. I'm not saying that because TAM and AA already have an a
42 SOUTHAMERICA : Both airlines offer at least two different cabins onboard their aircraft, hence the possibility of providing a minimally differential service on any
43 SRT75 : The busiest travel day of the 4 July holiday weekend.
44 Arcano : Fine, you are excused. I would humbly suggest you to relax for a while and understand that is not a sin to quote parts of text. There's no need to be
45 Commavia : Well then I would humbly request that the next time you quote me, please don't take a specific piece of my comments out of context. That's all. I'm n
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