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User currently offlineLY334 From Israel, joined Apr 2002, 292 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Hi,

Yesterday (06/27/06) at 6.00PM I saw a DELTA a/c landing at Tel Aviv Ben Gurion International Airport.
I think the A/C was a B764.

I just want to check if anyone of you knows how it came to here as they never fly to Israel, they usually codeshare with LY, but never come to here.

I appreciate any further information.


Regards,

LY334


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

The reason you saw a Delta A/c at TLV is because they recently began services to Israel!

DL now fly 7x weekly to TLV from ATL using the Boeing 777-200ER  Smile

Flights arrive at 17:25 in TLV; and depart at 23:40 back to ATL  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

I'm surprised you have heard nothing of this service. They have been advertising the daylights out of it over here in the States since last year before they even had the approval to fly the route. Given that they want full loads both ways i would think they would advertise it in Israel also.


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User currently onlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Yes, exactly, and I heard that DL is very successful on this route


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User currently offlineFocus From Israel, joined Feb 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

So how are they doing, anyway? What are the loads?

IIRC, They started flying ATL-TLV on March 30. Do they consider the route a success? Is it nearly as successful as CO's EWR-TLV?

--Focus


User currently offlineLY334 From Israel, joined Apr 2002, 292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Thank you friends,

But here in Israel I didnt see any add's on it.

LY334



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2259 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Quoting LY334 (Reply 5):
But here in Israel I didnt see any add's on it.

Indeed, almost no advertising was done in Israel. The only bits of info were minor articles in Globes and Haaretz .



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2259 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

On top of that DL should really upgrade their office in TLV. The Allenby st. location really does not suit a top notch airline like DL.


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User currently offlineLY334 From Israel, joined Apr 2002, 292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Are ATL connections good or is it long waiting?


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

Quoting LY334 (Reply 9):
Are ATL connections good or is it long waiting?

Depends on the destinations. For most domestic destinations, and a good number of international destinations, connections are pretty much ideal. Only exceptions are most flights to South America, which can require layovers of around 12 hours both ways, and of course the Europe routes, though they are obviously of no interest (unless you are on a desperate hunt for miles  Wink ).


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

Quoting LY334 (Reply 9):
Are ATL connections good or is it long waiting?

It arrives just before 6 in the morning. At that time you would be able to clear Immigration and Customs pretty quickly and make the early morning flights from about 7:30-8:00 onwards.



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User currently onlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Quoting LY334 (Reply 5):
Thank you friends,

But here in Israel I didnt see any add's on it.

LY334

LY334, there is an important add on the Ayalon, I saw it last April



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4512 times:
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Quoting Focus (Reply 4):
Do they consider the route a success?

Yes, according to senior DL execs, ATL-TLV has been profitable pretty much from the start.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 6):
Indeed, almost no advertising was done in Israel.

Outside of inaugural press releases, given the fact that they have high load factors, and are doing well on the route, DL does not need to, nor do they have the $$$$ to spend on advertising.

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 7):
On top of that DL should really upgrade their office in TLV. The Allenby st. location really does not suit a top notch airline like DL.

Most North American airlines rely heavily on internet bookings, and as such, costly and fancy ticket offices are a thing of the past. Many have closed their CSO's in favour of airport facilities.

Considering LY is the "hometown" airline, their ticket office on Ben Yehuda is nothing special.

[Edited 2006-06-28 16:03:18]


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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2259 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 13):
Most North American airlines rely heavily on internet bookings, and as such, costly and fancy ticket offices are a thing of the past. Many have closed their CSO's in favour of airport facilities.

Considering LY is the "hometown" airline, their ticket office on Ben Yehuda is nothing special.

I do agree with you on the financial issue, but I don't know if you had a chance to see DL's office in TLV. I am not talking about upgrading to fancy, I'm talking about upgrading to presentable  Smile.

Regarding LY - they will be moving to T1 at TLV, vacating the Ben Yehuda building.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 14):
Regarding LY - they will be moving to T1 at TLV, vacating the Ben Yehuda building

Seems to be the worldwide trend, given financial pressures experienced by most airlines. Again, given the volume of internet transactions, increasingly street front/major ticket offices are becoming a thing of the past.

And you're right. DL's CSO is a dump.

[Edited 2006-06-28 16:29:01]


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

Remember that DL and LY are partners and LY's code is on DL's ATL flights. By default, DL gets advertising in Israel from LY for its flights.

User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 16):
Remember that DL and LY are partners and LY's code is on DL's ATL flights.

Would the codeshare arrangement continue if DL resumes flights on the JFK-TLV route, as is currently rumored? If DL and LY remain codeshare partners, other airlines probably would argue that this alliance almost has a monopoly on the JFK-TLV route, and it controls too much of the market for flights between Israel and airports in the NYC area.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Quoting LY334 (Reply 5):
Thank you friends,

But here in Israel I didnt see any add's on it.

LY334



Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 6):
Quoting LY334 (Reply 5):
But here in Israel I didnt see any add's on it.

Indeed, almost no advertising was done in Israel. The only bits of info were minor articles in Globes and Haaretz .

What?
There was a HUGE sign over the Ayalon Freeway, they had and still have Full page ads in all the major newspapers. Maybe you guys are prone to advertisment.  Smile


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2259 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 18):
There was a HUGE sign over the Ayalon Freeway

Actually I recall it now. Was on 20 South before Kibbutz Galuiot exit, right?

Quoting Amirs (Reply 18):
they had and still have Full page ads in all the major newspapers.

I read Globes and occasionaly Haaretz, but I only saw a handful of ads, none recent.

Quoting Amirs (Reply 18):
Maybe you guys are prone to advertisment

Doing my best Big grin



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User currently offlineTzadik From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

I tried to book Delta TLV-ATL-TLV and was todl by their website they only accept bookings as ATL-TLV-ATL... that could be the reason for the smaller marketing campaign in Israel.

User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 7):
On top of that DL should really upgrade their office in TLV. The Allenby st. location really does not suit a top notch airline like DL.

Lets not forget that DL is in bankruptcy... Not the best time to upgrade offices.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

delta.com probably does not accept Israeli originating bookings.

There are a number of markets which DL and a partner both serve. There is no reason to think that DL service from JFK to TLV would cause El Al to pull the plug on its relationship w/ DL.


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2259 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 22):
delta.com probably does not accept Israeli originating bookings.

Indeed. can be booked via LY website though.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 22):
There are a number of markets which DL and a partner both serve. There is no reason to think that DL service from JFK to TLV would cause El Al to pull the plug on its relationship w/ DL.

Same goes for LY in several destinations.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 17):
Would the codeshare arrangement continue if DL resumes flights on the JFK-TLV route, as is currently rumored? If DL and LY remain codeshare partners, other airlines probably would argue that this alliance almost has a monopoly on the JFK-TLV route, and it controls too much of the market for flights between Israel and airports in the NYC area.

I don't see a problem with that, since you also have CO in the market with 2 daily 777 flights, plus supposedly a third flight soon, plus Israir, though I don't know much about their frequency or plane type. But there definitely is healthy competition. Also, if market domination was a problem, e.g DL and AZ or DL and AF would not be allowed to codeshare on each others flights to FCO/MXP and CDG, respectively.


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