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B6 Officially Announces TUS!  
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

I was just at JetBlue's website and they show daily non-stop service to TUS beginning September 28. Fares are starting at $129 one-way. I'm hoping that they will prove all of you doubters wrong, but we will see.

http://investor.jetblue.com/ireye/ir...cript=410&layout=-6&item_id=877057

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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

A320 service to boot. I guess all we need now is the SRQ announcement.
B6 is the king of redeyes to the east coast!

JFK-TUS
Depart - Arrive
8:00pm-10:30pm

TUS-JFK
Depart - Arrive
11:30pm - 7:15am


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25126 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 1):
I guess all we need now is the SRQ announcement.

Its been already out for a few hours...
http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/060628/1307899.html?.v=1



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

I hate to say it, but this flight dosent make much sense. Another expensive (fuel-wise) red-eye to a smaller west coast city, that is bound to produce low yields. I mean if CO couldnt make it work to their big hub in EWR, what makes B6 think it can work for them. Also, CO was prob more well known in the TUS area than B6 is now. Meanwhile these major markets in the Midwest are being left alone yet again, all (MSP, MDW/ORD/GYY, DTW, STL, IND, CVG, CLE, CVG...).

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3942 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4180 times:
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i agree LGAtoIND.........if htey have problems on other west coast runs, i wonder what makes them think TUS will work............


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 3):
I hate to say it, but this flight dosent make much sense. Another expensive (fuel-wise) red-eye to a smaller west coast city, that is bound to produce low yields.

Well I'm guesing that B6 ran the models and think they can make some kind of profit by running a redeye rather than having an A320 RON somewhere...This flight fits in with what B6 has done since the beginning--Run overnight flights instead of having the 320s sit around doing nothing. From my understanding, even with fuel prices high, they still make money on most of their transcons from JFK...B6's woes are from other problems including decreased revenue on the Florida operation, the high fuel costs, and general growing pains.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 3):
I mean if CO couldnt make it work to their big hub in EWR, what makes B6 think it can work for them.

I wonder why it never worked for CO...It was a 735 right?


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
...This flight fits in with what B6 has done since the beginning--Run overnight flights instead of having the 320s sit around doing nothing

I remember Easter doing this with there A300's. They used to run something called the "moonlight" special or something like that. They were making runs at night with lots of cargo in the belly and combined with the pax, had a good thing going. If I am not mistaken, they all went through IAH for some reason.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32723 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

The "it didn't work for CO" excuse is trash. EWR-OAK and EWR-SMF didn't work for CO either, and jetBlue does fine.

I'm not saying this mean JFK-TUS will be a huge hit, it is definitley one of their riskier moves, but don't start with the "it didn't work for CO" garbage.



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 3):
I hate to say it, but this flight dosent make much sense. Another expensive (fuel-wise) red-eye to a smaller west coast city, that is bound to produce low yields.

Exactly what isn't making sense to you? This flight will utilize an airplane that would otherwise sit on the ground not making money. The route is underserved and probably overpriced which is why JetBlue chose to serve the route.

The TUS metro area is home to nearly 1 million people. It also has a decent sized business community with companies such as Raytheon, IBM, AOL and Bombardier having a strong presence there. Someone also said in a post that some 100,000 people travel 2 hours north to Phoenix to get decent air service every year. Do you really think after posting a loss we are just going to start throwing A320's into cities that will make us bleed money? Give the route planners a little more credit than that. They are not as dumb as you'd like them to be.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 3):
if CO couldnt make it work to their big hub in EWR, what makes B6 think it can work for them. Also, CO was prob more well known in the TUS area than B6 is now

So what? JFK- NAS, AUS, SJC, SEA are a few of our success stories. What works for one doesn't work for all (ATL-OAK, LGB...)
CO and every other legacy airline that we compete with are probably more 'well known' in any market. We make a name for ourselves and its worked well thus far.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 3):
Meanwhile these major markets in the Midwest are being left alone yet again, all (MSP, MDW/ORD/GYY, DTW, STL, IND, CVG, CLE, CVG...).


In time. I'm sure we'll see MSP, STL in the near future.


User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 8):
The TUS metro area is home to nearly 1 million people. It also has a decent sized business community with companies such as Raytheon, IBM, AOL and Bombardier having a strong presence there. Someone also said in a post that some 100,000 people travel 2 hours north to Phoenix to get decent air service every year. Do you really think after posting a loss we are just going to start throwing A320's into cities that will make us bleed money? Give the route planners a little more credit than that. They are not as dumb as you'd like them to be.

Excuse me, but a red-eye to JFK? For a business traveller from Raytheon or IBM? Are you kidding me?

Most of these people would be taking a more convenient fligh time. And, most of these people would need connections to European bound flights (whcih B6 currently does not have) Raytheon Missle Systems does not have much O&D to JFK. IBM.... maybe. Does anyone know if B6 will at least interline baggage to/from another carrier? I could then see some non-O&D traffic. Also, I would expect that these large companies would have contracts for travel with one of the major legacy airlines.

I think that the times are aimed primarily at lesiure travelers.

Ok, so let's look at lesiure travelers. TUS loses about 50,000 people during the summer months. University of Arizona students are gone during the summer. The snowbirds are also gone during the summer (Snowbirds are people who move south during the winter to avoid the snow... usually senior citizens and retirees). I should expect B6 to only operate this route seasonally.

I would be VERY interested to see what their load factor will be next summer.

Most other mainline service to TUS is seasonal anyway. For example, UA has seasonal ORD service. UA mainline goes off the ORD-DEN route... it becomes UX only.

I wish B6 the best of luck. I have never flown them, but I like their "anti-establishment" treatment of PAX (The IFE, snack services, seat comfort, etc..). They will do well initially with the $129 fare specials. But, I can see them struggling with low yields when they have to bring fares back to a profitable level.

[Edited 2006-06-28 22:37:33]

User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 8):
In time. I'm sure we'll see MSP, STL in the near future.

I wonder how NW will respond. Seems like NW and B6 are on decent terms since they are both supporting the repeal of the Wright Ammendment.



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
The "it didn't work for CO" excuse is trash. EWR-OAK and EWR-SMF didn't work for CO either, and jetBlue does fine.

OAK is a completely different story because of the huge metro area it serves, combined with the fact that CO already has a decent operation at SFO. As far as SMF goes, how are you sure that it is doing fine? Many of the transcons are not profitable, hence JetBlue's announced shift toward shorter-haul flying, so what makes you think that one of the smaller cities (SMF) is doing fine?


User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 9):
Excuse me, but a red-eye to JFK? For a business traveller from Raytheon or IBM? Are you kidding me?

Did I say this was going to be the JetBlue Corporate Express Shuttle??? I was just giving an example of TUS being a 'bigger' city than most think it is. I ,for one, had no idea.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 11):
As far as SMF goes, how are you sure that it is doing fine? Many of the transcons are not profitable, hence JetBlue's announced shift toward shorter-haul flying, so what makes you think that one of the smaller cities (SMF) is doing fine?

For starters, SMF went up to 2x this summer. In addition, it's been selling at $179 o/w alongside the highly profitable LGB and OAK flights, while a couple of other markets have lower fares to JFK (thereby meaning that there is less demand and most likely are less profitable flights). And B6 just recently launched LGB-SMF; I don't see B6 launching additional service to an unprofitable city.

I agree that the whole "CO couldn't make it work" reasoning is invalid. B6 has a different product, a different airport, different costs, and will charge a different amount than CO.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 11):
so what makes you think that one of the smaller cities (SMF) is doing fine?

Why would we then add another daily frequency, to lose more money?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
I wonder why it never worked for CO...It was a 735 right?

Correct, it was a 735 which probably was not the best aircraft to operate this rather long segment with (never understood why a 73G was not used). In any case, what I was told is that loads were OK, yeilds were so-so, the route was pulled, although it usually returns for atleast a few weeks each winter during the holiday weeks and the snow-bird season in Feb-Mar.

Quoting B777ER (Reply 6):

I remember Easter doing this with there A300's. They used to run something called the "moonlight" special or something like that. They were making runs at night with lots of cargo in the belly and combined with the pax, had a good thing going. If I am not mistaken, they all went through IAH for some reason.

The Moonlight Specials........brings back memories. Low fares, and I dont think you could check baggage since the bellies of the airplanes were packed with cargo.......and yes, Eastern routed the flights via IAH to allow for east-west and west-east connections.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
The "it didn't work for CO" excuse is trash. EWR-OAK and EWR-SMF didn't work for CO either, and jetBlue does fine.

You have a point, but I think that the Tuscon market is a bit different. Is there enough demand year round to make this flight work? Many claim that the airlines have not put much effort into TUS and focus on PHX......but, can TUS support a connection to the NYC area? And that CO could not make the TUS-EWR flight work (and EWR is a hub offering connections to most east coast and New England cities) is something to consider. In any case, it will be interesting to watch. I am not sure that pax will be happy with the overnight flights......but its been JetBlue's style to open new transcon (or almost transcon) routes with redeyes and pax have never seemed to object.

CO pulled EWR-OAK since it seemed pax simply preferred flying EWR-SFO - as for SMF, CO honestly could not make that route show a profit, but we dont know if JetBlue is making money on the SMF route either.

----------

I have raised this issue in other posts and here I go again: This is another long route for JetBlue......JFK to Aruba, Cancun, Houston, Tuscon are the new routes that we know about and all are long segments. What happened to JetBlue's plan to increase revenue by focusing on shorter segments?


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
I have raised this issue in other posts and here I go again: This is another long route for JetBlue......JFK to Aruba, Cancun, Houston, Tuscon are the new routes that we know about and all are long segments. What happened to JetBlue's plan to increase revenue by focusing on shorter segments?

While I certainly see what you're saying, I don't think B6 management meant that every single new route was going to be a regional one- they'll vary. They've added tons of shorter routes lately- JFK-PWM/PIT/RIC/BNA/RDU/CLT, BOS-BUF/RIC/PIT. You shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket. Think about winters in the Northeast corridor- what happens when a snowstorm runs through? That's right, massive delays. If you've got a flight coming from AUA, you can delay it a little bit and make up time in the air if the storm is supposed to pass during the time it'd be in flight. If you've got a flight coming from PIT, you can't take off until the storm has passed both PIT and JFK or BOS.
What I'm trying to say is that B6 management isn't just going to add ultra-short routes. They have to have some variation, and lately we've been seeing plenty of that. They may not be right 100% of the time, but I think the monetary losses are some that can only be wished for by larger airlines like NW, DL and UA- all of the aforementioned airlines would love to have lost 'only' $42.4 million in a quarter. If the city works, great! If it doesn't, you can always cut your losses and close up shop. I salute B6 for at least trying something ballsy, something rarely seen in this industry in the past few years. I wish them continued success.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
What happened to JetBlue's plan to increase revenue by focusing on shorter segments?

I saw you raising that point in the past but I never addressed it.

Basically, B6 is focussing on more short segments comparatively speaking. In the past, B6 was opening up transcons left and right, but there was not much really going on in the < 1750 mile field. Now, however, B6 has launched/will launch JFK/BOS-RIC/PIT/AUS, BOS-BUF, as well as JFK-JAX/CLT/RDU/HOU/SRQ/BNA/BDA/IAD/PWM - all of which are shorter segments than cross-country flights.

While all of these routes have been launched/announced, only JFK-TUS/AUA/ CUN, BOS-PHX and IAD-LAS have been launched/announced as much longer segments in the network.

As you can see, percentage-wise, there are many more short- and medium-haul routes being started. In the past, B6 would fly mainly transcon flights and add capacity there like crazy while staying away from shorter flights. However, capacity on certain transcons has been cut or will be cut this winter (JFK-LGB/OAK/SJC/ONT).

If you flip through the routes that B6 has launched in the last few years, most have been transcon flights that are over the 1750 mile mark. However, if you look at the most recent announcements, there seems to be a much higher concentration on shorter flights (not necessarily short - just shorter) and a lower concentration on long-haul flying.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 17):
I saw you raising that point in the past but I never addressed it.

Thanks for taking the time to reply......lets see if this new plan works for JetBlue.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32723 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
but we dont know if JetBlue is making money on the SMF route either.

Sacramento is actually one of the bright stars in jetBlue's trans-con market. It didn't go twice daily for fun.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
It didn't go twice daily for fun.

Lets agree to disagree on this one - and lets see if two flights per day works in JFK-SMF market. Did the flight go twice daily just for fun or was it a way to keep another newly delivered A320 busy? I will admit that I am the skeptic here....but I always get concerned when an airline (or any company) announces one thing and then does another.....JetBlue is not reducing its focus on transcon flying.


User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 16):
hey may not be right 100% of the time, but I think the monetary losses are some that can only be wished for by larger airlines like NW, DL and UA- all of the aforementioned airlines would love to have lost 'only' $42.4 million in a quarter.

But yet B6 is much smaller, AA is more than 3 times B6's size, to loose 42 mil to B6 is the equivelent to loosing 120Mil to AA (by this logic that is). Don't compare apples and oranges bud.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32723 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 20):
Lets agree to disagree on this one - and lets see if two flights per day works in JFK-SMF market. Did the flight go twice daily just for fun or was it a way to keep another newly delivered A320 busy? I will admit that I am the skeptic here....but I always get concerned when an airline (or any company) announces one thing and then does another.....JetBlue is not reducing its focus on transcon flying.

The flight went twice daily because SMF-JFK has been an exceptional performer for jetBlue, one of their bright spots lately, as other routes trans-con routes haven't been huge hits and, as you mention, have been just launched because they need to put a plane somewhere.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 8):
So what? JFK- NAS, AUS, SJC, SEA are a few of our success stories. What works for one doesn't work for all (ATL-OAK, LGB...)

I wouldn't exactly say SEA is a huge success story. It only last year went to 2x daily, where it has remained. And BOS has been rumored to be doing very poorly. Has that improved at all?


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

I remember a few months ago there was an article in Time or Newsweek about illegal immigration and it focused on illegal immigrants in the Hamptons.
In the article, it mentioned a lot of immigrants... both legal and illegal.... cross the border south of Tucson... then grab a flight in Tucson to where ever they are going.
It mentioned immigrants in Long Island tended to fly WN from TUS to ISP. Maybe B6 is hoping to tap the immigrant market... there is probably a lot of VFR traffic between JFK and TUS to cross the border into Mexico.


25 TVNWZ : I have been going into TUS a lot this year. Every flight has been FULL. I mean packed...packed...packed. I think this might be a sleeper for them. (np
26 SKYYBLUE : It did have a slow start but BOS-DEN seems to be getting better. I flew that route last week and both trips were almost full.
27 Dolphinflyer : Why does B6 continue to add new spoke cities rather than expand nonstop service between existing cities?? I fail to understand the competitive "urgenc
28 RwSEA : I was asking about BOS-SEA.
29 Post contains images FA4B6 : Im glad that someone finally pointed out that business travelers are the only people that fly and that JFK does not work as a domestic hub for an air
30 JetBluefan1 : BOS-SEA started off very poorly but is now doing very well, which is similar to what happened with BOS-SJC/DEN. All three routes are now very popular
31 SKYYBLUE : Thats what I meant sorry.
32 Post contains images Bobster2 : Swell. Another red eye. Yawn. Why isn't their name jetRed?
33 GoBlue : Exciting news none the less. Are we going to see any more destinations in the Arizona area? I am hoping for more Texas markets.... and finally some mo
34 Post contains images MHO : Well, the population of the greater Tucson area is close to 1 million, and most of us would do anything to avoid the 2 hr drive to that zoo called PH
35 MAH4546 : No. 99% of Americans probably couldn't even name another destination in the Arizona area.
36 Azstar : The assumption by armchair airline planners, and some route planners themselves, is that TUS is strictly seasonal. F9 in Denver thought so too becaus
37 Socalfive : Sounds like a shot in the dark to me, Tucson is a weak market for a one-flight excursion. We'll see, I know I for one would rather them spend the res
38 GoBlue : They seem to be using the "Where do you want B6 next feature, to see demand? and then investigating the possibilities... we will see i guess!
39 Bobster2 : We all know Sedona because it's the name of an SUV. And Flagstaff, Arizona is a famous song lyric, in "Route 66". And perhaps a few of us dumb Americ
40 JetBlueNYFL : I'm sorry, do you mean "Shut Eye's"??? JetBlue treats their customers better so the get some shut eye, and they are well rested upon arrival... Expen
41 GoBlue : Slow and steady wins the race.... i like you analysis jetBlueNYFL
42 MAH4546 : I was thinking Grand Canyon when I typed it, but I meant in the line of cities. And, no, most people don't know about Sedona (let alone do people ass
43 SABE : Nice to see a new player in my current home town... I agree, the loads out of TUS have been incredibly high lately (at least AA). And we pay $200-300
44 Iowaman : Anyone know how this route is performing for B6?
45 JetBlueNYFL : While many new cities are being added, which is part of their business plan, you did not research before posting. JetBlue linked the following existi
46 JetBluefan1 : Not that great. BOS-LAS started off slowly last year, however, but now it performs very well. I have a feeling IAD-LAS will have a similar "warm-up"
47 JetBlueNYFL : Sorry, forgot to add another city pair connecting 2 existing cities to Reply # 45 in this thread: 11. BOS-BUF
48 Post contains images Indio66 : I agree - I can't see all of those retirees getting on a red eye - 7 hours after eating dinner
49 Azstagecoach : How true. TUS gets stuck with all 733 and 735 mainline tho. Come on, give em at least one NG! I was searching these fares last night and CO's lowest
50 Lat41 : JetBlue won't be happy until their spread out so much and so overextended that they're ready to go in the crapper!
51 Flyboyaz : They did use a 73G last year. It was great, no worries of weight restrictions and we had more seats. The 735 was a nightmare...and often overbooked.
52 Iowaman : Flights are pretty much packed everywhere. As many airlines have found out, packed planes aren't always money makers.
53 COEWRNJ : When I used to go to The University of Arizona I would always fly CO TUS-IAH-EWR. A lot of my fellow classmates would do the same routing. The TUS-IAH
54 Coronado990 : So I can expect the next red-eye to be TIJ-JFK?
55 COEWRNJ : LMAO! We all know airlines build routes based on the demand of the immigrants be it legal or not. Does Nogalas have an airport? Anyway I'm just playi
56 JetBluefan1 : Not just the Hamptons. Most illegal immigrants on Long Island live in Farmingville in extremely crowded facilities. Ever since the whole "send 'em ba
57 Post contains images Laxintl : I think Mexicali instead, as it has lower airport charges But seriously, while many might view this Jetblue move as a questionable market let me put
58 AirTranTUS : SEA on AS has always been mainline out of TUS. I don't think any of Horizon's planes could make the trip.
59 Dutchjet : I do agree that JetBlue has a resonable chance of making the TUS service work.....JetBlue seems to find its way in markets such as this. They have don
60 Post contains images SABE : But you can tell we still have a "small town" mentality in Tucson... the new B6 service between JFK and TUS was the first story on one of last nights'
61 COEWRNJ : Agree with you 100%. When I was going to school in TUS I would love watching the news on KVOA and seeing the same story night after night. They did a
62 Azstagecoach : I'm thinking now it was SFO that had the horizon service. Wish they would bring it back.
63 COEWRNJ : SFO did have the QX service. I also believe that they served SJC for a short period of time. I enjoyed watching the QX flights as I waited for my CO
64 TxAgKuwait : I am not sure where you get the idea that those fares for those distances constitute a reasonable yield. Boston-Denver 1754 miles for $154 gives you
65 ODwyerPW : I think it's fantastic! Now if B6 would only come to ALB. Then I could fly ALB to TUS with one change in JFK.
66 MAH4546 : Horizon Air flew both SFO-TUS and SJC-TUS for a while. Ended about a year or two ago, IIRC.
67 JetBluefan1 : Your way of judging this is quite flawed...no offense or anything: 1.) Those are only the starting fares. The average fares are much higher. Therefor
68 Crjflyer35 : When I was stationed at Ft. Huachuca in Sierra Vista (1 hour south of TUS), it was all price dependent on if I'd fly out of TUS or PHX to go home on l
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