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Forgeard: I'm Still The Best Hope For Airbus  
User currently offlineAeroPiggot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 283 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8613 times:

Can you believe this guy's ego!!!, with this guy at the top we should all be buying Boeing stock now!!!

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060628/france_airbus.html?.v=6


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8585 times:

Same ol...same ol!! No bigger than other wanna-be´s

Didn´t Boeing had a quite retarded CEO couple of years ago?

Micke//SWE  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8562 times:
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Quoting AeroPiggot (Thread starter):
we should all be buying Boeing stock now!!!

So do it. Get rich. Why bother about Airbus?

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
Same ol...same ol!!

You wouldn't fight for your job?

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
No bigger than other wanna-be´s

During his watch, Airbus became the largest manufacturer of civil aircraft in the world. That's an odd thing for a "wanna-be" to achieve.

mariner



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

Sure Forgeard wants to stay in the job. He's not the type that would like the embarrassment of being pushed out plus he might be able to keep the stock sales investigation under a little more control.

The Board at Boeing properly ousted a CEO not long ago when his behavior was not appropriate. Now, with Forgeart's stock sales clearly in the public eye, it will be interesting to see if Airbus has a Board that holds their CEO's to the same high standards.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

One thing is for certain: Leahy aint the answer to Airbus woes.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8555 times:
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Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
One thing is for certain: Leahy aint the answer to Airbus woes.

I am not sure how he got into this "bash Forgeard" thread.

 confused 

mariner



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User currently offlinePicard From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

Although Forgeard may not be the best CEO on this planet, I want to ask how can anyone on in this post know what his job is like? Can anyone here do his job or do anywhere near as well as he has? If not how can you judge?

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

From Article:

One proposal under discussion would see both CEO posts kept, with one devoted entirely to troubleshooting at Airbus -- a plan Forgeard endorsed at the hearing, while underlining his own suitability for the job.

Now that's having chutzpah!


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8446 times:
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Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):
Now that's having chutzpah!

Life would be very dull without it.

mariner



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8384 times:
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Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
Same ol...same ol!! No bigger than other wanna-be´s

Hi, Solnabo.

Thanks for your message. You are right, I misunderstood your post. I thought you referring to M. Forgeard.

Now I see that you meant "someone else" - and I can only agree with you.

 Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 8):
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):
Now that's having chutzpah!

Life would be very dull without it.

I agree, it must have been great theater in the hearing room with all the hostile french politicoes leering down from the dais as the "french leprechaun" vigorously defended "ango-saxon" compensation schemes. Big grin


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8339 times:
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Quoting Leelaw (Reply 10):
it must have been great theater in the hearing room

Yep, great theatre. Wish I'd been there.

Who knows, he may even win and give a number of a.netters conniption fits.

mariner



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User currently offlineOkelleynyc From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

Personally, I could care less whether Forgeard remains or leaves. And I don't wish to sound callous. The theatrics are interesting, however:

Yes, CEOs are important and yes they are the face of the organization, but he's not the one who's going to crawl around in the A380 splicing wiring harnesses.

If he stays, then I'd I liked to hear more about how he is marshaling resources and expertise to address the current production issues and support the efforts of the folks in the assembly halls. I would suspect that they (the line workers) may feel slightly abandoned and left holding the bag? Or - maybe they're more in tune with the facts at hand, are already working the bugs out, and are confident that the worst is behind them.

Quoting Picard (Reply 6):
Although Forgeard may not be the best CEO on this planet, I want to ask how can anyone on in this post know what his job is like? Can anyone here do his job or do anywhere near as well as he has? If not how can you judge?

I certainly wouldn't want to walk a mile in his shoes, Picard. I can't even imagine how much pressure he must be under given conflicting directives, a split management hierarchy, political interference, the press, the airlines and not to mention the auditors turning over every file cabinet in my office.

I only hope that we see a more proactive leader, one who's in charge and setting a clear direction, rather than the current vision we've been presented.

Maybe this perceived persona is exacerbated by the "media" and he does have things firmly in control. I also understand that he needs to "defend" himself aggressively; I would too. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope to hear a full disclosure of the challenges the facing the A380 along with a cogent recovery plan. Otherwise, lose the hubris and find a person that is capable of getting this great beast in the air and generating some revenue. I'm anxious to see it grace the skies - regardless of its economics.  Wink

The current side show seems to be distracting from the real issues - certification and EIS.

Mon Dieu!



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User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8274 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
During his watch, Airbus became the largest manufacturer of civil aircraft in the world. That's an odd thing for a "wanna-be" to achieve.

What winning new aircraft were designed under Forgeard's watch ? The only thing Forgeard as able to do for Airbus was provide ooddles of money from the European tax payer to Airbus ! Nothing to write home about !

Under Forgeard's watch Airbus is now in one of there worse situations in there history . Blunders that were made by him half a decade ago are now materializing .

Mr "Foot in the Mouth" Forgeard is a liablity for Airbus not an asset !

Halibut


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6774 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8246 times:

Quoting Picard (Reply 6):
Can anyone here do his job or do anywhere near as well as he has? If not how can you judge?

Fundamental missteps in the overall strategy of your commercial aircraft segment is a pretty major whiff. And makes it easy to judge.


User currently offlinePicard From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8235 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 14):
Quoting Picard (Reply 6):
Can anyone here do his job or do anywhere near as well as he has? If not how can you judge?

Fundamental missteps in the overall strategy of your commercial aircraft segment is a pretty major whiff. And makes it easy to judge.

A380 misstep? You believe it was a misstep I believe there was a legitimate business case for it.

A350? Its easy to say it was a misstep with hindsight, but who at the time could guess the rise in fuel prices?

Its looks easy from the comfort of siting infront of your computer but I am pretty sure his job and all the decisions he has made is less than easy.

[Edited 2006-06-28 23:21:57]

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8221 times:

I must reiterate my personal sentiment that I would be more than delighted to see Forgeard take a hike. His "consultancy", or whatever he thinks is the great job he could do, could also be accomplished without holding his current position. One can even create the position of "Inspector-General" and let him have what might or might not be a sinecure -- at considerably less pay and prestige.

There is an appearance of impropriety here that I think is significant. And I do not think that it is quite to be expected, or even particularly becoming, for someone as high up in the organization as this man should "fight for his job", since his job is in some ways more of a public (or at least shareholder) trust than an ordinary position.

I think that Leahy should also offer his resignation if it is true that he oversold the customizability of A380 with insufficient regard for the difficulty of compliance.

[Edited 2006-06-28 23:26:28]

User currently offlineMrcomet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 511 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8152 times:

Quoting Picard (Reply 15):
Its easy to say it was a misstep with hindsight, but who at the time could guess the rise in fuel prices?

Uhhh....just about everyone on EARTH including BOEING. The supply and capacity trends have been going that way for years. They are in the transportation busines for god sakes. They should have seen it.

I agree that Forgeard is overrated. He came in 1998 and oversaw the A340-500, A380 and A350/70. None of them are Airbus's finest achievements from. Airbus's other successes that is really what built Forgeard's reputation predate his arrival. More over, look at the opportunity costs of not competing earlier with the 787 and more sucessfully with the 777.

In fact, a dispassionate look shows that Forgeard actually was a pretty pedestrian CEO and he bet most of the company on the A380 and then didn't deliver (so far). He allowed Boeing to have no competition in the largest part of the widebody market. I think Airbus can do A LOT better.

Sorry.



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User currently offlineSaturn5 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8120 times:

Quoting Picard (Reply 15):
A380 misstep? You believe it was a misstep I believe there was a legitimate business case for it.

You may believe in whatever you want but it doesn't mean most aerospace pundits or aviation industry watchers would agree, to this day by the way.

Quoting Picard (Reply 15):
A350? Its easy to say it was a misstep with hindsight, but who at the time could guess the rise in fuel prices?

The A350 debacle has nothing to do with fuel prices but with underestimating the 787. The only Airbus affected by fuel prices is A340.


User currently offlinePicard From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8114 times:

Quoting Mrcomet (Reply 17):
Quoting Picard (Reply 15):
Its easy to say it was a misstep with hindsight, but who at the time could guess the rise in fuel prices?

Uhhh....just about everyone on EARTH including BOEING. The supply and capacity trends have been going that way for years.

The A380 project was started well over 10 years ago back when fuel prices where stable and looked like it would be for sometime, yes I am sure prices where expected to go up. But prediction for the current level of fuel costs?

Lets see all the predictions on fuel costs for the next 10 years and see how many get it correct?

As said above A380 good or bad, yet to be seen.


User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8114 times:

There is an old addage in business that goes something like "the management that got you into trouble can't get you out of trouble."

Nuff said.



"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4312 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8061 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
Didn´t Boeing have a quite retarded CEO couple of years ago?

Yes, Boeing's CEO of a few years ago was quite retarded. But Condit's ego was nowhere near Forgeard's.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
During his watch, Airbus became the largest manufacturer of civil aircraft in the world.

During his watch Airbus lost its lead as the largest manufacturer of civil aircraft in the world [that hasn't happened yet but will in 2007]; squandered billions on an aircraft that is not needed [yet]; and Airbus effectively gave up the mid-market to its rival for approximately six years.

There is a time and place for every CEO in an organization's life-cycle. Forgeard's time has passed. To use the argument that he was good for the company in the past fails to address the company's needs in the future.

Quoting Picard (Reply 19):
Lets see all the predictions on fuel costs for the next 10 years and see how many get it correct?

I predict they will come down to and stabilize around $40 - $50 bbl.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8045 times:
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Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 21):
During his watch Airbus lost its lead as the largest manufacturer of civil aircraft in the world [that hasn't happened yet but will in 2007];

As you note, it hasn't happened yet, and he is no longer CEO of Airbus.

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 21):
Forgeard's time has passed. To use the argument that he was good for the company in the past fails to address the company's needs in the future.

That may be true, I am not arguing for or against his continued role at EADS or Airbus.

But I very much dislike the "bash-Forgeard for everything" attitude so prevalent on a.net.

mariner



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8045 times:

All this is not to say that Airbus is a bad company. Far from it. It's a good company, from what I can see of it. It's a very advanced company from a technological standpoint and it employs a great many talented individuals. By and large, labor relations appear good and physical infrastructure, as far as I can tell, is more than satisfactory.

Airbus has the know-how to make good large airplanes that I am proud to fly on. Darned good thing, too, since I would never want to fly on aircraft made by a crummy company.

However, from a program standpoint, there are real issues. I don't know how one can gloss over the A350 fiasco, let alone the A380 delays. And various other aircraft programs at Airbus have not been as competitive with the 777 as they could have been. Many people -- rightly, I think -- point to these factors as failures of strategic leadership, and as it stands, I think that the motto in this case is that the captain goes down with the ship. While the ship isn't sinking, the profit potential of Airbus right now appears to be. And the significant declines in shareholder value of its corporate parent, EADS -- who could be pleased at that? BAE and shareholders are abuzz with talk of litigation.

I would say this: If Forgeard is the best hope for Airbus, I think that Airbus may be quite doomed. But because I know that Airbus is far more than what Forgeard's talents (which in the past were not inconsiderable) can offer, I think that Airbus will pull through and do nicely in the near future.

I just don't think it should be under Forgeard.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 22):
But I very much dislike the "bash-Forgeard for everything" attitude so prevalent on a.net.

I think that if we bash Forgeard for what appears to have turned to mush under his watch (e.g., the A380 production schedule; the A350 program) then that's certainly sufficient, and since these things are much in the news these days, then it may very well be that he is being bashed a great deal -- even if not for everything. But my philosophy is, as far as Forgeard's fault may be concerned: If the shoe fits....

Who better to blame, in any event? Hamburg? Enders? Engineering? I would rather not, actually.

[Edited 2006-06-29 00:46:06]

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8031 times:
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Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 23):
I don't know how one can gloss over the A350 fiasco,

One could argue that the A350 "fiasco" was initiated by other people - that the mistake on the part of Airbus was to respond.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 23):
If Forgeard is the best hope for Airbus, I think that Airbus may be quite doomed.

M. Forgeard is not the CEO of Airbus. He still may - stress "may" - be its best hope, because the actual CEO doesn't appear to be doing much.

mariner



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25 AerospaceFan : With respect: How so, I wonder? I thought that the A350 was supposedly the 787-killer. Didn't Leahy and the like at Airbus, under Forgeard, openly di
26 Mariner : I'm not sure what else you would have had them say. Everyone puffs their own product. I don't think there were problems with the A350. It was never a
27 Lumberton : There's a difference between "puffing" one's product and deriding the competition. The "chinese copy" quote was clearly meant to ridicule.
28 Mariner : Okay, so - a salesman who is a known loud-mouth (as well as being a pretty good salesman) said something you don't like. It should have been an early
29 Lumberton : Chill out, Mariner. BTW, it was Forgeard who made the "chinese copy" statement. Google it.
30 Mariner : Who's not chill? You don't think the salesman comment applies to M. Forgeard? mariner
31 Lumberton : No.
32 Leelaw : IMO, the fact that the Forgeard "Showboat" remains afloat under withering fire that would have sunk most other CEOs days ago, indicates the patronage
33 Ruscoe : I know there are varying opinions on this, but in my opinion the underlying reason why Airbus was able to put themselves in this position, was not th
34 Mariner : I don't see how it can be. It is a first in an almost unique socio-political and historical situation. You want it to produce good planes and also be
35 Post contains images WarmNuts : *By "field" I presume you mean the market for intermediate-size aircaft -- projected to be 40% of the total dollar-value of the market over the next
36 Mariner : I don't think I said otherwise. mariner
37 Shenzhen : """Forgeard declared during the two-hour committee hearing that his resignation was "out of the question," several of the deputies said afterward."""
38 Lumberton : Indeed, one wonders. Speculation...the French and Germans simply can't come to terms on the management structure? Then there are the U.S. dollar hedg
39 AndesSMF : And is this 'retarded' CEO still with Boeing? And did this 'retarded' CEO say that it was better for Boeing to keep him? Fuel costs are one thing, bu
40 Atmx2000 : Airbus benefited (or was relatively less harmed) from events during Forgeard's tenure that were beyond Airbus's control: In 1998 the US$ was going up
41 Longhaulheavy : I'd argue one point beyond that. His job shouldn't even exist. The dual-CEO structure is not something normally recommended my management gurus as it
42 AirFrnt : I have to agree with MAriner on a lot of this. Forgeard and Leahy (in particular their partnership) are responsible for Airbus's metoric rise, along w
43 Mariner : If ever an opportunity existed for a new CEO to establish his position, his power, his credentials, his personality and his vision, it is now, at Air
44 Post contains images Halibut : Though I do not see Forgeard as you do Mariner & feel he and/or certain French goevernment factions are more concerned with gaining more power/contro
45 Post contains links and images AerospaceFan : Thank you for your compliment -- it is much appreciated! When I have more time, I hope to comment further on some of the other replies here. In the m
46 NAV20 : At a guess, because Chirac as well as de Villepin was up to his neck in the Clearstream affair, and Forgeard is in a position to blow the whistle big
47 Post contains links Leelaw : WSJ 06/29/06 (fair use excerpt): ...Mr. Forgeard's status will depend on the outcome of talks between EADS core shareholders -- Germany's DaimlerChry
48 Post contains images MBJ2000 : They could fire both and hire Condit instead?! At first thought of this to be a funny response, but in the end it may not be that stupid after all. W
49 Lumberton : Very dangerous course of action, IMO. I suspect Mr. Leahy knows where a skeleton or two are buried. Even if his sacking came with a massive golden pa
50 Haggis79 : While I personally think this might be not the worst idea on the planet I seriously doubt that the French would like to see their "national sanctuary
51 AerospaceFan : For what it's worth: I think that there is an interesting contrast to be had between the style of conduct seen in Forgeard's actions and the one that
52 DL021 : He did not lead in the development of the airplanes that gave them the edge they needed (the A320 and A330/40) nor did he implant any edge to the com
53 707lvr : Number of entries required before Bringing Up Boeing: 1 He may be referring to an individual in the Sales Department back in 1934 who was, in fact, t
54 DL021 : Yeah, well, he's got to try and deflect any criticism from Airbus. Can't have the truth getting out without muddying the waters.
55 Post contains images Jacobin777 : It's A.net..anything less would be a disappointment.. I agree..but maybe this message wasn't clear with Leahy.. ""This is the all-new A350," he (Leah
56 Halibut : Bingo DL021, Forgeard took control of Airbus in 98 . He was able to ride the wave of Airbus's momentum of the late 90's into the early 2000's . It to
57 Mariner : Whichever way you slice it, it happened on his watch. Reductio in absurdum. LOL. I'm the one who says there is a power vacuum at Airbus. That's a wei
58 AirFrnt : One of the A350 delays was because Airbus decided to move to a A380 cockpit rather then a 330 cockpit after this remark. I agree that's what Airbus a
59 Post contains links BoomBoom : Scott hamilton says Forgeard is using the Sgt. Schulz Defense: http://www.leeham.net/filelib/ScottsColumn062006.pdf
60 Pygmalion : Condit was the chief engineer of the 757 at launch, led Boeing Sales in the '80s and was responsible for the launch of the 777 and was in charge of t
61 Post contains links Leelaw : Richard ("The Great Satan") Aboulafia had some amusing zingers regarding the "wiring-harness imbroglio" in his June 2006 newletter as well (fair use
62 Post contains images Pygmalion : Of course! I mean, imagine, he has a Masters degree from Kings College in London!!! How could he be impartial???
63 Post contains links and images Mariner : pid=20601081&sid=akhMcDuw9Tyw&refer=australia Impartial? Gee, I don't think he's ever been accused of that before. Note his splendid defense of Boeing
64 AerospaceFan : Sadly, when I click on it, I cannot get the text to display correctly in the above link. I've always had trouble with Bloomberg's Website that way.
65 Lumberton : The link doesn't open, but does it discuss the issues with the Tiger attack helicopter, too?
66 Ruscoe : I think this is correct up to ~1999 when something changed that should have put caution signs. if not red lights up everywhere. That is the weight ju
67 Post contains links Mariner : No, that's odd, I jhust went back to the source (Google News) and it was fine there, but not here. Ah well. Here is (hopefully) a Reuter's link to th
68 Lumberton : Yes, it opens, thank you...and I see that there's no mention of Australia's difficulties with EADS' Tiger. As Co-CEO, doesn't Mr. Forgeard have respo
69 Mariner : I assume that to be because it is a "news" report - as I said, the source is Google News - and the Australian minister spoke very recently? mariner
70 Okelleynyc : Hey DL021, I think you missed my point and I probably didn't do a very good job of saying it... I was merely pointing out that I wouldn't want to "wa
71 Post contains images Jacobin777 : He's responsible for making sure a product is decent enough to sell in the market also.... he's the middle-man between the customers and manufacturer
72 Post contains images Mariner : I never met a salesman in Hollywood who had anything to do with quality control. Maybe my experience is too limited. mariner
73 Baron95 : "The comments, relayed to reporters by French lawmakers after a closed-door parliamentary hearing where Forgeard testified, were confirmed by a person
74 AirframeAS : I disagree. We're never gonna see under $2.45 per gallon here in the U.S.
75 Leelaw : I'm not sure whether Mr. Aboulafia's rather brief remarks today about the "Wedgetail" is enough empirical evidence to betray a lack of impartiality c
76 VinnieWinnie : "Parliamentary criticism of Forgeard appeared to weaken on Wednesday, after what was described as a confident performance by the 59-year-old former ad
77 Ruscoe : I think Nelsons reaction is just a reflection of the fact of how desparately Australia wants these aircraft. I think they will be giving early warnin
78 Post contains images Jacobin777 : he might be the first to buck the trend. Like a great sportsplayer, Forgeard might have done well "early" in his Airbus career..but like every great
79 AerospaceFan : Without further information, I'm not prepared to offer a defense of Boeing here on the delay regarding production and delivery of Australia's early wa
80 F14ATomcat : Boeing takes up to $500m charge for 18 month delay in 737 Wedgetail early warning programmes. I wonder if the Boeing Execs that are responsible for th
81 Post contains links and images BoomBoom : And this observation: http://www.richardaboulafia.com/shownote.asp?id=221 Yup. They're saying it's problems with the IFE [Edited 2006-06-30 02:23:36]
82 Ruscoe : Whilst not trying to make any excuses for Boeing in this matter I think there is a big difference between a state of the art military project and a C
83 Mariner : That may indeed be true. It does not negate his achievements. And if he is found guilty of insider trading, then he should pay the full penalty that
84 Glacote : A few thoughts: - all of Airbus fame or shame are not due solely to Forgeard's actions. Most of Airbus success could arguably be attributed to a very
85 Post contains links BoomBoom : I did not say this, Richard A. did. Please try to read the thread more carefully. As for actual "fuel burn and performance were better than advertise
86 Pygmalion : Turns out the wiring problems are not aluminum related but EMI issues. Still a huge miss on the design side of Airbus. EMI is not a new issue. How did
87 BoomBoom : Do you have a source for "most analysts". My analyst says: From what we can see, as long as the world economy is on a growth track, demand will not o
88 AirFrnt : I have not seen (nor do I expect too see) any creditable commentator on Oil suggest that oil is twice as expensive as it is. More to the point, the r
89 Glacote : No (no public source). Agreed. I don't. Airbus case for the A388 was the CASM in a large part (the "economies of scale" argument). That's why at leas
90 Atmx2000 : Not so trivial. Feminists, a core constituency of the Democratic party, have advocated for and have gotten passed laws against sexual harrassment. Po
91 NAV20 : I'm surprised that you put the word 'ethics' in inverted commas, Glacote - as if ethics somehow don't matter in business. A great deal of business st
92 BoomBoom : Clinton didn't get us into a war that killed 2,500 Americans, wounded far more, and wasted $500 billion that could have been spent at home. There's a
93 Atmx2000 : On the other hand Clinton's actions were used as justification by al Qaeda to attack the US, leading to the deaths of around 3000 Americans in numero
94 BR715-A1-30 : Quite a few actually... After the days of Bill Allen, Boeing was never quite the same.
95 Post contains links Halibut : Glacote, With all due respect . The structure in which Airbus/EADS is designed , simply put - " SUCKS " ! It is a system where corrupt emmployees " li
96 AirFrnt : To quote a popular creed, "Good Business is Good for Business." In other words, doing the right things, being ethical, having a good work enviornment
97 Post contains links Lumberton : Little late for that.... Eads Wins US Helicopter Contract (by BHMBAGLOCK Jul 1 2006 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)
98 Post contains images Halibut : Halibut
99 AerospaceFan : Agreed. I am, as I have said, disappointed in the problems with Wedgetail and believe that this is an important warning to Boeing's management not to
100 BoomBoom : There is no justification for what Osama bin Laden did. Why are you trying to make excuses for him?
101 Post contains links NAV20 : According to this, the 'powers-that-be' plan to 'keep it in the family'. Forgeard goes, Lagardere goes, Humbert goes - Enders stays as CEO, Gallois st
102 Post contains links Baroque : Both of these are bad for headaches! You could get into all sorts of complex arguments such as Bill only just missed OBL with one of his missiles. Bu
103 Jacobin777 : This is the last thing EADS/Airbus needs...to be competitive, they need to get their house in order....this recent imbroglio (thanks Leelaw) has show
104 Post contains links Halibut : BREAKING NEWS NAV20, Looks like the "musical chair shuffle" is about to begin . The article states Humbert will quite . My question is why ? Is it be
105 NAV20 : As to 'why?', Halibut, I'm afraid that it's obvious. If they fire a Frenchman a German has to go too.
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