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Delta 777 Firm Orders In July  
User currently offlineDL763DFW From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14679 times:

Just got an transcript email from a Q&A with Delta CEO Jerry Grinstein and DL employees. Some very interesting things were brought up. Here are a few exerpts from the email :

"We will have to buy new aircraft as well. We will look at the Boeing 787 and Airbus A350 as logical planes for us. We have two long range 777s on order and will confirm them with Boeing in July. The 787 or A350 orders will have to wait until after we exit bankruptcy"

I'm not sure if he is referring to 777-200LRs or just regular 777-200ERs.

"If we can obtain 757s that are over-the-water (ETOPS) configured we could move some of these to some of the Hawaii routes and free up more 767s for longer international routes. We could also use these 757s for trans-Atlantic leisure markets such as Ireland"

This has been discussed on here lots but it's the first I've heard from management that they are considering it. This is some interesting stuff.

-DL763DFW

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14608 times:

Quoting DL763DFW (Thread starter):
"We will have to buy new aircraft as well. We will look at the Boeing 787 and Airbus A350 as logical planes for us. We have two long range 777s on order and will confirm them with Boeing in July. The 787 or A350 orders will have to wait until after we exit bankruptcy"

I'm not sure if he is referring to 777-200LRs or just regular 777-200ERs.

Well, it could indeed be the 772LRs, because a) I doubt that he'd otherwise put a focus on the "long range", and b), the current 772ER orders have been confirmed long ago, so no need in confirming an already confirmed order. Still I guess we'll have to wait until July to know for sure.

Quoting DL763DFW (Thread starter):
"If we can obtain 757s that are over-the-water (ETOPS) configured we could move some of these to some of the Hawaii routes and free up more 767s for longer international routes. We could also use these 757s for trans-Atlantic leisure markets such as Ireland"

This has been discussed on here lots but it's the first I've heard from management that they are considering it. This is some interesting stuff.

Indeed interesting to hear it straight from Gerry himself. Putting 757ETOPS on Hawaii-SLC/SFO/LAX flights thereby freeing up around 5-7 764s, don't know how the planes are currently routed, which could then be used for more transatlantic flights, and 5-7 additional planes is plenty enough for another major expansion in 2007, especially is you also include the 2 777s mentioned above. So in other words, sending 757ETOPS across the pond would not be necessary for DL to add more Euro flights.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14592 times:

I really hope Delta doesn't put 757s on HNL routes. While it is okay to OGG and KOA, I would like Delta to fly widebodies exclusively to HNL, as does Continental. I plan to fly the 767-400ER to Hawaii some day. If not, maybe I should look into transatlantic 767-400ER routes. I have flown the 767-400ER four times: MCO-ATL (July 2003), ATL-TPA (March 2005), TPA-ATL (March 2005), and SLC-ATL (June 1, 2006). Hopefully by the time I fly to HNL if the 767-400ERs are still flying there, they will have PTVs installed.

While Delta is considering both the 787 and A350, I don't think Delta will go with the A350 as it destroys Delta's fleet simplification plans.



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User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14517 times:

Highly unlikely they would go for the LR as they are GE90s....the wavy fan blades...seems like it is way too expensive investment for only two airframes for Delta. I believe the LRs don't come with Trent option.

TokyoNarita.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4744 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14496 times:

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 3):
Highly unlikely they would go for the LR as they are GE90s....the wavy fan blades...seems like it is way too expensive investment for only two airframes for Delta. I believe the LRs don't come with Trent option.

Not necessarily an issue - DL has a history of operating different engines on different birds - the 767s.

As for 2 vs. more, DL will probably confirm orders for more -200LRs (if that's what they're getting) when they get out of BK along with a boat load of GE powered 787s.

i'll put $5 on that one



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14441 times:

I'll put $55 on an order for 777-200LRs.

Part of the attraction of widebodies to Hawaii is the cargo business, something the 757 cannot accommodate. However, AA and UA both fly a combination of widebodies and 757s to Hawaii which means they are able to get incremental passengers without giving up the cargo business.

What is the date of this transcript (or when did Grinstein say this)?

There will always be some leisure markets that do not need a business elite product, including summer supplemental service to cities that are served year round with BizElite aircraft. Ireland is a good example of a market that needs lots of extra summer capacity and is well within the range of the 757. Other markets in the UK come to mind as well.


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 971 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14400 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
I really hope Delta doesn't put 757s on HNL routes.

The only HNL routes that would likely see 757's are LAX and SFO. I don't believe even the ETOPS 757 has the range for SLC-HNL and certainly not ATL or CVG to HNL, those would likely remian operated by 764's. LAX-HNL has so much capacity and is well known for being low-yielding. Operating 757's would be a good thing because it will allow them to maintain their presence while reducing some capacity.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4744 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14382 times:

My only sincere and bias hope is that Delta orders the 787 upon exit from bankruptcy.

The plane seems like it was designed with them and most operators in mind, and I'm partial to boeing.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14237 times:

Jerry would be a fool to order Airbus at this point...wrong aircraft for the fleet. He probably only said it to let Boeing know that they haven't scored the order just yet.

I'd love to see some more -400's enter the fleet though...now's the time.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineDL763DFW From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14159 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):
What is the date of this transcript (or when did Grinstein say this)?

This meeting took place June 14, 2006. I would include the link to the entire Q&A session, but it's on the Delta intranet, thus only being accesible from a Delta VPN. It's also too large to post here.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14073 times:

Tinpusher: All the 757's will have to be ETOPS. There is no difference in range. So SFO-LAX would/could go to the 757. SLC service I think could be done by a 757, without weighing in the environment. SLC-HNL is 2992 mi. and LGW-CLE is 3744, so this leads me to believe it can be done.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14073 times:

There have been repeated comments made internally by various Delta executives all but confirming that Delta will:
- convert the remaining 777 delivery slots to 777-200LRs
- make a final decision about the 767 replacement around the end of this summer
- following emergence from bankruptcy, confirm and announce an order for more 777 category aircraft and the aforementioned 767 replacement

Recent announcements of production ramp ups by airframe manufacturers seem to have come at quite the convenient time.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14004 times:

Quoting DeltaSFO (Reply 11):
There have been repeated comments made internally by various Delta executives all but confirming that Delta will:
- convert the remaining 777 delivery slots to 777-200LRs
- make a final decision about the 767 replacement around the end of this summer
- following emergence from bankruptcy, confirm and announce an order for more 777 category aircraft and the aforementioned 767 replacement

So from what I've gleaned from this thread is:

2 possibly more 772LRs (a conversion and possibly new orders)
767 replacement which means they'll evaluate the 787 vs A350/A370..787 is the odds on favorite...interesting that they plan on finalizing a decision at the end of the summer does this mean an order will be placed this fall?



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User currently offlineTranstar01 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13979 times:

I have flown them all from mainland to Hawaii. The absolute best flight, best service, and best aircraft from LAX to HNL and back is the Continental 767-400 flight.

Why would anyone want to fly a 757 after an experience on a beautiful wide body aircraft, superb PTV systems, great meals, and the typical outstanding Continental Airlines service.

Try it. You will like it.


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13952 times:

They maybe talking about using the B757's on the LAX-HNL routes. I can't see them using the B757's from SLC, ATL, or CVG.... They have alot of flights from LAX.

Chuck P


User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

didn't DL signed a exclusiv contract with Boing for like 15 years?

DALelite



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13830 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 15):
didn't DL signed a exclusiv contract with Boing for like 15 years?

The EU forced the deal to be voided after Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas merged.



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User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13830 times:

It is my understanding that the SFO-HNL flight is operated on behalf of a freight company and is profitable without carrying any passengers.

The cost disparity of operating a 767-400 as opposed to a 757 is overcome by the ability to carry 1/3 more passengers and freight. For that reason, I believe the 767-400 will remain on service to HNL and OGG from SLC and LAX. The 757's would be used for KOA, with an upgrade to a larger a/c during peak travel. Or perhaps operating 2 flights from SLC-HNL on a 757 opposed to 1 daily on the 400.

Possibly opening new markets from California to Hawaii such as SAN-HNL or LAX-LIH or KOA.

Personally, I would like to see a return of ANC-LAX service as well as new service to SJO from LAX.

Flying the 757 to Ireland in winter and 2x daily in summer from JFK and possibly BOS makes perfect sense.


User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13808 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 6):
I don't believe even the ETOPS 757 has the range for SLC-HNL

2994 SM is well within the range of a 757, even PW-powered.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
While it is okay to OGG and KOA, I would like Delta to fly widebodies exclusively to HNL, as does Continental

That's probably the thinking behind moving 75s to OGG and KOA. The demand for cargo is HNL, so they would likely continue with 76 service to HNL.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13725 times:

the equation is not just 764s vs 757s. DL also has 21 763s nonER/nonETOPS. It is relatively inexpensive to convert these aircraft to ETOPS configs which provides widebody capability to the west coast and SLC where it is needed while keeping the 764s only on ATL/CVG flights.

While DL has operated just one aircraft type to Hawaii at a time (1st the L10, now the 764 - and 763 on ATLOGG), it will likely have a multi-type fleet to Hawaii that includes nonER 763s, 764s, and 757s.

And as for why passengers fly on any aircraft, price is a major factor. Much of the business to Hawaii is under contract to the large tour operators which AA, DL, and UA have a much better lock on than CO. Despite what alot of people here think, the vast majority of the travelling public can make it just fine without PTV on a 6 hr flight to Hawaii - and with minimal food. They are happy if they get there on-time, with their bags, and are not treated rudely. Sadly, that is the state of service industries in the US but it is reality.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13701 times:

Quoting Exusair (Reply 17):
The cost disparity of operating a 767-400 as opposed to a 757 is overcome by the ability to carry 1/3 more passengers and freight. For that reason, I believe the 767-400 will remain on service to HNL and OGG from SLC and LAX. The 757's would be used for KOA, with an upgrade to a larger a/c during peak travel. Or perhaps operating 2 flights from SLC-HNL on a 757 opposed to 1 daily on the 400.

 checkmark  I do think they'll keep a 764 on all SLC flights except to KOA, where it will be converted to a 752 with ETOPS, they have the range even on a weight restricted, hot, gosh-awful SLC summer day like we had today (98F/37C).  hot 
The 772s will be the LR model I'm quite sure for going to South Africa, India and eventually China from ATL, JFK and possibly LAX.
What Jerry pointed out confirms to me what DL has plans to do and follow the post BK fleet transition that AC has implemented by replacing 762ER, 763ER & non-ER a/c with a 787. I just don't see Airbus cracking into DL as a customer with all of the headaches they are going through with the A350/A370. DL wants to keep fleet simplification.



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 971 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13497 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 10):
Tinpusher: All the 757's will have to be ETOPS. There is no difference in range. So SFO-LAX would/could go to the 757. SLC service I think could be done by a 757, without weighing in the environment. SLC-HNL is 2992 mi. and LGW-CLE is 3744, so this leads me to believe it can be done.



Quoting Mlsrar (Reply 18):
Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 6):
I don't believe even the ETOPS 757 has the range for SLC-HNL

2994 SM is well within the range of a 757, even PW-powered.

I stand corrected as far as range is concerned. I still believe however that the only routes to HNL that may be downgraded to a 757 are SFO and LAX. SLC being a DL hub with connections thru SLC on to HNL will probably remain a 764 IMHO.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

If DL puts some 757s on Hawaii routes, it will be for the thinner routes and for routes with multiple flights. I agree that HNL will see 767 service to every gateway on at least one flight.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11766 times:

[quote=Exusair,reply=17]Possibly opening new markets from California to Hawaii such as SAN-HNL or LAX-LIH or KOA.
You could definitely see new Hawaii routes with ETOPS757s, though I doubt it would be from someplace else than SLC or LAX. DL doesn't really have a stronghold in other markets, so it would not be worth the try. Now, SLC-LIH would probably be a given, along with SLC-KOA going 757 as well. LAX-KOA would probably be next, with the last being LAX-LIH.
Now, the 763s are an interesting point as well. At 24 planes, the fleet is not to shabby, so a few of those could easily be used to Hawaii as well. That said, I could very well imagine that the 764s to Hawaii could soon be limited to the 2x daily ATL-HNL and daily CVG-HNL flight, 763ER on ATL-OGG, 763 on LAX/SLC/SFO-HNL, and 757s on LAX/SLC-OGG/KOA/LIH, and perhaps as additional capacity on LAX-HNL.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10414 times:
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I seriously doubt that the 777 confirmations will be LRs. I think that he means he's going to tell Boeing that they won't be deferring or selling those slots to anyone else, and they'll take delivery of the two scheduled ERs to supplement the existing fleet. 2 LRs would not be enough to ensure regularity on any routes DL has that would require that extra range, whereas 2 more ERs would really come in handy with the extra international routes coming online.

I really am looking forward to DL flying the 787 (I don't really see them as a player for the Airbus, although with the right financing package and service support you can't ever say for sure until the engines are turning with blue and red cowlings).

What I'd really like to see is Delta recovering to the point that there is a new Spirit of Delta. That'd be very nice.



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25 1337Delta764 : The domestic 767-300s are not ETOPS, and I don't think Delta will spend the money on getting them ETOPS-rated.
26 DLPMMM : I think you are right on the money here. The whole reconfirming thing could also just be a Chapter 11 procedure where DL petitions the Judge to recon
27 GoCOgo : All this with 2 frames? Seriously, folks, they will be ERs, not LRs. He probably means "long range 777s" in the sense that they are the longest range
28 DAYflyer : I never thought I would see the day when DL would confirm more 777's entering the fleet.
29 Commavia : Why does Delta need 777-200LRs? I would have said to fly nonstop JFK-India, but it looks like Delta feels confident they can do that with their curren
30 B777-700 : There's no chance of Delta getting A350's....lol. It's just not happening.
31 WorldTraveler : all the "experts" have weighed in... it's time to let DL do its thing and let the accuracy of some of the predictions here be weighed.
32 Airzim : I agree completely. It makes no economic sense for any US carrier to buy 777LR's. Certainly not at the price premium that Boeing is charging for them
33 Post contains images WorldTraveler : Actually, DL is spending very little to facilitate a transformation as big as they are executing. Take a look at CO’s balance sheet and see how much
34 Commavia : Right, and where exactly "deep in Asia" does Delta have even the slightest chance of expanding to, for passengers, cargo or both? China is really the
35 Airzim : Not true. First, they have all new aircraft, something DL does not have. Delta is going to have replace the gas guzzling MD-80's, older 767's and 757
36 Stitch : While DL has been interested in the 772LR since the program was launched, lack of money has been at least one of the reasons they never pulled the tri
37 Dc10s4ever : From what I uderstand, DL is currently looking at AA's ex-TWA 757. They are all PW powered as are AAs, plus they are all ER's. They could be a very go
38 Alitalia744 : I'm sorry, all new aircraft? Help me understand something, CO has what - 45 or so 737-300s? Their 737 classic fleet averages (per airfleets) approxim
39 FWAERJ : But sometimes you have to spend money to make money and turn a profit again. IMO, Delta's doing the right moves to get out of Ch. 11.
40 Papatango : DL763dfw Where on the Delta site is this q&a session? I was on the site this am and could not find it. thx
41 Alitalia744 : Slightly incorrect, they are looking at AA's ex-TWA 757s, but AA powers their birds by RR and TW had PWs. There is no such thing as an "ER" 757, it's
42 Dc10s4ever : oops I ment to say that the ex-TWA are PW as are DL's. I have not had my coffee yet. Hmmm AA referes to all their 757s that they use for Hawaii, and
43 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Sometimes it can be useful to read a thread before replying to it . Except the USAF's C-32s , though of course those aren't commercial planes. I coul
44 AirRyan : Oh yeah, Delta buying soon to be defunct A350's let alone A370's, that is a real possibility, isn't it?!
45 Airzim : 45 out of 300 airplane. Sorry only 15%. Plus they're replacing many of those with new 737NG order that are still coming in. Try again. Well then that
46 Coa747 : The average age of Continental's fleet is much less than that given all the 737NG's and 767's and 777's they have. Yes the 737-300's are still around
47 1337Delta764 : How many years ago was it? I remember aircraft with RED and orange seats, but not pink and orange. Was it a domestic 767-300 or an International 767-
48 Panamair : IIRC, the 767-300ERs never had the gaudy seats; they started out with the very conservative-looking red, navy, and grey seats.
49 Coa747 : May have been red and orange. The color was not as big a shock as the pull down movie screen. Anyway that was a trip to forget as 20 minutes into a 7
50 DeltaSFO : It's actually five frames, not two. Three delivery slots for 2009. DL will get the China route authority, but will not fly LR's there. Even when it ha
51 OttoPylit : Lets not get ahead of yourself. Many, if not most, of DL's 732's are the newest versions out, coming into the fleet as late as 1987, which only makes
52 Post contains images AirMailer : Right, they don't need them today, but they can nuse them tomorrow. Here's what I think. Looking forward, remember that DL wants a simpler fleet. If
53 Jbmitt : DL actually has 121 757's. You might have skipped the Song birds, which would have also been the new ones. At airfleets.com select Song and you will
54 Post contains images AirMailer : Well at least you know what you're up against. Excellent Breakdown!! Do you mind if I ask the source? (Just Curious.)
55 Commavia : That's a lot of confidence considering that Continental is going to be vying for Newark-Shanghai, American for a flight to Beijing, plus other applic
56 Airzim : You can quibble over the average age calculation but yet nobody has refuted that Delta is going to have to order a crap load of new airframes in the n
57 Post contains images ER757 : Hey - I resent that remark! Of course my user name refers to an airline code but nevertheless........
58 Coa747 : I'm talking out of Austin and my brother was a load master. It may not have been SLC but the story is true and happened more than once. You obviously
59 Coa747 : Did you ever fly out of Mueller? I flew out of their hundreds of times and it was a very tight fit. There was only one runway suitable for commercial
60 Floridaflyboy : I'd be willing to bet money on it that we will never see an A350/A370 in DL colors. Delta is simply an all-Boeing airline. My dad is a pilot for Delta
61 Ua2162 : Personally, I think they should keep the 764 on the KOA route. The loads have been pretty good and it looks like it's making money. It's done so well
62 Post contains images B777ER : Next paycheck says the two -LR T7's will be used for ATL-PEK nonstop. Yes I know they dont have route authority yet but they will I am sure. Refer bac
63 DeltaSFO : In fact, I was not referring specifically to you. I was referring to a sort of amalgam of all the people here who continue to insist that DL is doome
64 Post contains images Panamair : Well, you better start saving up now 'cause ATL-PEK is entirely do-able with the current 772ERs without penalties whereas JFK-BOM (which has already
65 Commavia : I do not believe that Delta is doomed, nor do I refuse to recognize the definite, tangible progress the company has made. Since 9/11, Delta has made
66 WorldTraveler : And to further expand DeltaSFO’s comments, DL is on the verge of becoming the 2nd largest airline to Latin America and is already the 2nd largest ai
67 Post contains images B777-700 : And your evidence of this is where? Oh I'd say it's pretty good. Read more below... But LAX isn't. Or didn't you read how Jim Whitelaw stated that th
68 Commavia : Right. A Delta hub at LAX. I'm not holding my breath for that one. Once again, I never said it was hopeless, and seeing how valuable and lucrative th
69 B777-700 : I guess you know more than the COO.
70 Commavia : Well, I'm not aware of the quote you referenced (a link or some text would be appreciated), but I'd say the fact that Delta has been shrinking its pr
71 GoCOgo : 2 points: 1. Who cares what a Chinese delegation was in ATL? I do believe it is the US DOT that will award the routes, not China. 2. CO's EWR-PVG and
72 B777-700 : I never said you'd see it soon either. I did say 'long term'...
73 Post contains images OA412 : IIRC the China route authorities which will be awarded in 2008 are for new entrants so DL will not be competing with CO, UA, AA, etc. for its route au
74 DeltaSFO : That's entertaining, but you wouldn't be talking to me. There was a time, though, when you would have.
75 Panamair : Partly correct. The 2007 award is open only to incumbents whereas the 2008 award is open to all, not just new entrants. So if CO does not get EWR-PVG
76 OA412 : OK, thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't 100% if 2008 was open to all or not.
77 ArtieFufkin : You've got a bad habit of accessing the situation in the industry today using water cooler talk from years back. The Delta you know, especially from
78 Post contains images Stirling : Technically, the 757 is shutout of only Atlanta and JFK...unless they went to some screwball business/first only offering....the antitheses of SONG.
79 DAL767400ER : Don't quote me on it, as the article about it was written around 5 years ago, but essentially, the main difference between the 757 and the C-32 were
80 Post contains images Stirling : I love the "What-ifs?" in aviation. Adding 1000nm to the 757 would have produced an even more fantastic aircraft. This is the range picture from Atla
81 AirMailer : No one is asking you too.
82 WorldTraveler : It should be apparent that the DL of 1995-2005 is not the Delta you will see going forward. There is a whole new vision of what the company can do whi
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