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LH Picks DEN And Phx!  
User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

I saw this press release info in rec.travel.air. I've been waiting for DEN-FRA forever!!! The press release shows all of their new routes.

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Summary of the LH press release 9/11/00:

- New daily A340 service between FRA [Frankfurt, Germany] and Denver, CO
(dep. FRA 13.10, arr. DEN 15.40, dep. DEN 17.40)

- New daily A340 nonstop service between FRA and Phoenix, AZ (dep. FRA
11.00, dep. PHX 15.30)

- UA will offer additional nonstop service between FRA and DEN (for a
total of two new LH/UA presumably code-shared daily roundtrips) during
the peak summer season; details yet to be announced

- New thrice-weekly service between MUC [Munich, Germany] and Sao Paulo
(A340), MUC and Singapore (A340), and MUC and Hong Kong (A340).

- New daily 747-400 nonstop service between MUC and Los Angeles

- An A340 will replace the A321 on the thrice weekly MUC-Tel Aviv
nonstops.

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User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Here is the actual press release


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11/09/2000 Lufthansa with new long-haul services

US destinations Denver and Phoenix - Four more routes served from Munich

Lufthansa is further expanding its worldwide route network as of the summer 2001 timetable. With the inclusion of two new US destinations - Denver, Colorado, and Phoenix, Arizona - and a major increase in long-haul services from Munich, the airline is assuming an even more important role as a global player.

The new services to Denver and Phoenix will be launched on 25 March 2001. From that date Lufthansa will offer daily non-stop flights from Frankfurt to these two centres of commerce and tourism. That will raise the number of American cities served directly by Lufthansa from 12 to 14.

The Frankfurt-Denver service (flight LH 446) will be operated by a 247-seater Airbus A340. It will depart from Frankfurt daily at 13.10, landing at 15.40 local time in Denver, the second largest traffic hub in the United States. The return flight will leave Denver at 17.40. Flight time is ten-and-a-half hours.

Lufthansa's Star Alliance partner United Airlines will also be offering flights on this route in the 2001 summer timetable during the high-season months. Details have still to be announced.

Phoenix is an u-and coming commercial centre, especially for the semiconductor and e-commerce sectors. From 25 March 2001, a Lufthansa Airbus A340 (flights LH 448) will depart daily at 11.00 for the Southwest of the United States. The return flight to Frank-furt will depart at 15.30. Flight time is eleven-and-a-half hours.

Meanwhile Munich is playing an increasingly important role in Lufthansa's long-haul offer. In the 2001 summer timetable four new long-haul destinations - Sao Paulo, Singapore, Hong Kong and Los Angeles - will be served from the Bavarian capital.

A thrice-weekly, Airbus A340 service will be operated to Singapore, Hong Kong and Sao Paulo. Los Angeles will be served daily from Munich by a Boeing 747-400.

Lufthansa is also boosting frequencies between Munich and San Francisco from three to seven a week. The Californian city will be served by a Boeing 747, which can accommodate about 140 more passengers than the Airbus 340 operated to date on this route.

On the Munich-Tel Aviv route Lufthansa introduces with the 2001 summer timetable the Airbus A340, at the same time increasing passenger comfort. At present flights to Israel are operated by an Airbus A321.

Deutsche Lufthansa AG
Corporate Communications
Tel: 069 / 696 -3669 oder -2999
Fax: 069 / 696 -95428




User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

          WOW!          

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

That sure is a lot of expansion for the Munich hub. I hope all of these flights do well.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

It doesn't suprise me that they picked both PHX and DEN... both cities have been pushing hard for international service. What suprises me is the possibility of Summer-only UA DEN-FRA service. Seems that United was more cooperative than we thought.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Hello,

So United Airlines would operate a flight (I don't see anything but the 777-200ER for it) only in summer (if I understand properly "peak times").
But would they have two daily flights, or just UA adding some flights per weak to cope with the higher traffic of some days (like the weekends)?

Anyone would have more info please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

UA's flight will operate from June until October and will be a daily flight in addition to LH's daily flight. My guess is that the 777 or 767 will be used.

User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

So now Lufthansa serves only one US-Destination less than BA. That being SAN. I bet that Lufthansa will soon announce non-stop service to SAN with an A340-300.

Avion


User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

BA actually serves several more destinations than LH. BA goes to SEA, BWI, CLT, TPA, MCO and SAN.

User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Does LH fly to Seattle, Charlotte, Orlando? I think they don't, but BA does. So there are some cities which aren't served by LH nonstop from Europe...
SR3496


User currently offlineJet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Lufthansa will serve 14 US Cities when the new flights start. British Airways already fly to 21 US Cities;

Atlanta
Baltimore
Boston
Charlotte
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Detroit
Houston
Los Angeles
Miami
New York-JFK
New York-Newark
Orlando
Philadelphia
Phoenix
San Diego
San Fransisco
Seattle
Tampa
Washington

Regards
JET SETTER


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Avion: British Airways serves 20 (BOS, JFK, EWR, PHL, BWI, IAD, ATL, MCO, TPA, MIA, DTW, ORD, IAH, DFW, DEN, PHX, SAN, SEA, LAX, SFO) US destinations, whereas Lufthansa only serves 12 (BOS, JFK, EWR, PHL, IAD, ATL, MIA, DTW, ORD, DFW, LAX, SFO), so it'll take Lufthansa a lot more to have equivalant amount of services.

LH423



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User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Lufthansa does serve TPA and MCO through Condor. Like Tampa and MCO are served by BA Leisure in full Ba livery. Hence the 3-4-3 configuration on the 777.

Avion


User currently offlineJumboClassic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

The press release states that the aircraft to DEN will be a 247-seat A340. Is that a standard configuration for a -300 or is it a -200? Are there any additional requirements for the A/C due to DEN's location?

User currently offlineJabpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

I'd love to see the A340 departure from PHX when it's 110 degrees or even the DEN departure in the mid-summer heat at 5,500 msl. I wonder what that takeoff roll will look like! Jeff

User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

I wonder if LH plans to add SEA soon. I think they could really capitalize on this route. SEA is only served by three airlines to Europe; that being BA to LHR (747), NW to AMS (DC-10), and SAS to CPH (767-300ER), unless you count Aeroflot. Most of these flights depart full, and passengers could really take advantage of LH's route network from FRA!

User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

I'm sure SEA is the top city that LH is considering now.

The configuration of the A340's for the DEN and PHX flights are the same.


User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

Does anyone agree that unless they get their act together on their alliance and sign an openskies agreement with the US that they will fall further and further LH and AF? Will this inroads by LH into profitable BA territory finally wake up BA? This in addition to British Midland starting service to IAD. Does anyone have any idea how much longer BA will hold out on this stuff?

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Among the cities that Lufthansa said they were considering with PHX and DEN were SEA, SAN, and PDX. Since PHX and DEN already have service, that means SEA and SAN would most likely be the next targets if LH wants to expand more in the Western US. LH really didn't accomplish anything in regards to giving SAN and SEA more options on European travel when they decided to open up PHX and DEN. SEA is far away from DEN and even though there would be ample UA feeder flights, there are still, as already mentioned, three carriers that serve Europe from there already. SAN is very close to Phoenix, but LH has no feed there, as they have no agreements with America West or Southwest, which serve the PHX-SAN route.

Between SAN and SEA, however, if I had to choose one city that would probably get nonstop Lufthansa service first, it would have to be SEA. This is simply for physical reasons, though. I do not think an A340 could operate safely out of SAN, which has only a 9400 ft, runway and a hill directly in the takeoff path of aircraft. This restricts long-range operations, and even though a 777 can now operate from this airport nonstop, I doubt the A340 could because of the apparent low rate of climb that it has leaving the runway. In fact, I believe that this restriction is one of the biggest reasons that LH chose Phoenix rather than San Diego to get a Frankfurt flight. I have little doubt in my mind that if San Diego had a better airport, then it would have been chosen over Phoenix for the service.

Now, however, we will need to see whether these newly added flights from PHX, DEN, and LAX (Munich) perform well to see if any expansion is needed.

Aaron G.




User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Here is some info on UA's flight:


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United's Denver-Frankfurt flight will go open for sale on Tuesday,
September 12, with the first date of operations beginning on June 1, 2001,
continuing through October 26, 2001. Flight 964 will depart Denver at 8:55
p.m. and arrive Frankfurt the following afternoon at 2:35 p.m. Starting June
2, 2001, flight 965 will depart Frankfurt at 3:20 p.m., and arrive Denver 6:05
p.m. the same day, and continue operating through October 27, 2001. The route
will be operated with United's technologically advanced Boeing 777, the
largest and most modern airliner in service today. Like the Lufthansa flight,
United's flight will be timed to allow convenient connections from
destinations throughout the Western U.S. served by United, United Shuttle and
United Express. United's flight will also allow seamless connections to
Lufthansa flights beyond Frankfurt. United's service will offer three class
service, including 12 seats in United First with its recently introduced
"United First Suite" lie-flat bed product, 49 seats United Business and 217
seats United Economy.




User currently offlineGyro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

Yes, I also believe that it will be a great route. Avions comments on BA flying to far more destinations in the U.S. than LH is also true... But at least LH doesn't have to cut a heck of a lot of jobs like BA did... Are some of those 20+ routes BA offers to the U.S. maybe generating losses...hmmmmm.

User currently offlineGyro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Yes, I also believe that it will be a great route. Avions comments on BA flying to far more destinations in the U.S. than LH is also true... But at least LH doesn't have to cut a heck of a lot of jobs like BA did... Are some of those 20+ routes BA offers to the U.S. maybe generating losses...hmmmmm.

User currently offlineTurboTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Every international airline is invited to STL. COME ON ALREADY!!!!!!

TurboTristar


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Is this true... LH departing at 3:30 in the afternoon from Phoenix to Frankfurt!!? I suppose it can be done or else they wouldn't be doing it. Both Phoenix and Denver offer very interesting hot and high situations, or just really damn hot and somewhat high in the case of Phoenix. I suppose this is part of the reason why the BA flight leaves for Gatwick at 10:30 at night.

This is pretty exciting though. It gives me a good 8 months to plan ahead to be at Sky Harbor to watch the first plane come in.

Is there any word that these routes might eventually be upgraded to a 744, like BA did with the DC-10-30 to the 744?



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offline24291 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Great news for both DEN and PHX! Unfortunately, Denver is taking too much of the limelight. It was only a matter of time before DEN got another transatlantic flight, but the addition of an another 'real' European airline at PHX is a real breakthrough.

I'm amazed that some people think Phoenix offers no feeder traffic! Have you not been to T4 at PHX lately? Southwest will never codeshare, but with such low fares, the advantage of such an arrangement is negligible. FYI, America West already does codeshare with British Airways—just because HP isn't a member of the Star Alliance or One World doesn't mean they go untapped!

It may be a little early to speculate about an equipment upgrade out of PHX. It will be very interesting to see how the competition affects BA's operation/fares. An A340 in PHX will be a sight for sore eyes. We're going to need a four-holer after BA goes to 777. (Honeywell counts as a five-holer   )


25 Trvlr : DesertJets: It may be a little early to speculate about the PHX flight's opportunity to have an equipment change, but if the market responds, then it
26 DIA77 : I'm pretty confident that both the DEN and PHX flights will succeed. Both cities are major high-tech centers and big tourist attractions.
27 AAmericanguy : Its gonna be nice to see an A340 here in Phoenix. I love the 744 but considering thats the only LARGE jet flown here in will be a nice change. I was d
28 DesertJets : All the international flights, except Alaska and Air Canada depart from the international concourse at T4. The only reason why I mention an equipment
29 24291 : Trvlr, I wasn’t trying to specifically target you, but I have this perception (perhaps misguided) that many forumites believe that because America W
30 DesertJets : I'd imagine that LH would operate exclusively out of T4... it is a much nicer facility than T2 by far. Don't know who'd handle ground ops... my guess
31 Avion : Dont forget that LTU is a charter/leisure airline. In this type of market frequency doesnt matter. Price is what counts and the tickets they sold were
32 Pbb152 : You forgot IAH among the U.S. destinations LH serves. That makes 13! Pete
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