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RUMOUR: UA/CO Merger In The Works?  
User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 19081 times:

A good friend who is in senior management with UA has told me theat Bethune and Tilton have been talking merger. Last week the two played a round of Golf in New Jersey then sat down and talked numbers for quite some time.

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User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 19081 times:

Bethune no longer works for CO.

A merger would be horrible, IMO.



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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19015 times:

This is a rumor. The title of your thread is very misleading. An exec and a former exec playing golf and talking business happens everyday and is not news.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18975 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
A good friend who is in senior management with UA has told me theat Bethune and Tilton have been talking merger.

Yeah right!!! Bethune doesnt work for CO anymore and has no control over a thing.

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 1):
A merger would be horrible, IMO.

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Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 2):
The title of your thread is very misleading.

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I move for deletion of this thread...seriously!



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18927 times:

The merger would make sense. Both airlines would benefit greatly. The possibilities leave many of the other airlines, namely American Airlines out in the cold. One airline flying Chicago to Tokyo, Hong Kong to Newark, San Francisco to Sydney, Paris to Houston, Kuwait to Washington. United and Continental would serve all of the major premium international routes inclusive of:

Houston to London
Houston to Sao Paulo/Rio de Janeiro
Houston to Tokyo
New York to London
New York to Delhi
New York to Peking
New York to Sao Paulo
New York to Tel Aviv
New York to Tokyo
Los Angeles to London
Los Angeles to Sydney
Los Angeles to Tokyo
San Francisco to London
San Francisco to Hong Kong
San Francisco to Tokyo

However, the synergies of the routes would most likely come at the expense of Cleveland, Denver, and Washington D.C. At this point we can all be happy with the idea, but until the ink is on the paper, dont hold you breath. One good thing is that good old AA' would get kicked to the curb.


User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18927 times:

Bethune has long said that UA and CO were good candidates (which I agree: CO's European network, AirMike, and strong NYC presence, combined with UA's Pacific network, LHR access, and *A would be good), but as has been said, Bethune no longer is a part of CO. Plus, there are a number of issues to a merger: (1) Hub overlap (ORD/CLE & EWR/IAD), (2) Fleet commonality, or lack thereof (737NG/A320, 747s), and (3) Engine commonality, or, again, lack thereof (GE v PW). This rumor has been going a long time.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18757 times:

And the best reason is that UA is not in bankruptcy but is also not consistently profitable. It would be very hard to combine to combine two airlines that are not in bankruptcy, esp. when one of them has the potential to drag down the whole netwok.

It is very doubtful that UA will combine with anyone until it goes into bankruptcy again. And by that point, DL probably will be a more compelling merger partner than CO. If DL continues its transformation as successfully as it is doing so far, it will probably be a more profitable airline and have a stronger balance sheet than CO as well as being larger. In competing proposals, investors will go with the larger and stronger company when it comes to lending money which will certainly be necessary to facilitate consolidation among the big six US airlines.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18757 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 4):
However, the synergies of the routes would most likely come at the expense of Cleveland, Denver, and Washington D.C. At this point we can all be happy with the idea, but until the ink is on the paper, dont hold you breath. One good thing is that good old AA' would get kicked to the curb.

Not that I think a merger would be a good idea, but if it had to happen, I'd much rather see CO partner with UA.

It's interesting to note that the Cleveland was formerly a United hub (pre-Continental) and Denver was formerly a Continental hub (I beleive simultaneously with UA)...

Lincoln



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User currently offlineAzstagecoach From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18728 times:

someone pointed out the labor issues involved in another thread. can someone explain how the union seniority would work in a merged UA/CO? I believe it has to do with the age of the contract?

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18728 times:

I don't see how it could happen since the merger with UA/US was turned down...CO is bigger...the new airline would dominate too much of the air system in the US!

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18686 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
A good friend who is in senior management with UA has told me theat Bethune and Tilton have been talking merger. Last week the two played a round of Golf in New Jersey then sat down and talked numbers for quite some time.

GASP!!!

Not golfing together!! Egads!!

BTW, they were golfing at Liberty National I believe, the new course. Big grin


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18609 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
A good friend who is in senior management with UA has told me theat Bethune and Tilton have been talking merger. Last week the two played a round of Golf in New Jersey then sat down and talked numbers for quite some time.

Can someone say "insider trading". No "senior management" would ever divluge anything like.

But, I have a friend, who has a sister, who knows this guy.......


User currently offlineFlight7E7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18576 times:

United needs to stay alone. They have not by any stretch of the imagination come much further financially than they were before bankruptcy.

Continental is a gem in the mix. They DO HAVE IT RIGHT....and maybe DL will come around again to the great A/L it once was. However, UA is mired in it's old ways...and for the love of pete, let's hope that the boys in the boardroom never drag CO down from it's lofty perch....on top of the world in service and strength from the standpoint of any US trunk carrier. They have (CO) earned boasting and gloating rights.....on the basis of hard work and delivering a product and service far superior to their home turf competitors.

Stay in ORD and dig deeper into the black hole you are in already, UA.

Cheers  frown 


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7545 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18506 times:

At the very least thier fleets are not common (ie engine types)


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18483 times:

Why on earth would nearly-profitable, innovative, globally-focused, globally-respected Continental want to merge with United?

User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18416 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 16):
Continental want to merge with United?

Market Share, Asain Market.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1607 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18391 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 16):
Why on earth would nearly-profitable, innovative, globally-focused, globally-respected Continental want to merge with United?

That's what I keep asking, but no one here seems to listen. I can tell you that I believe, though without handing out surveys I have no rpoof, that most CO employees would rather stay as far away from a merger with any other major airline as possible.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18366 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 18):
Market Share, Asain Market.

If Continental was smart (and they clearly are) they would stick to their strategy of linking their U.S. hubs (mostly EWR) with Asian points using long-range, very popular, and right-sized 777s, rather than throwing it in with United, which -- while, admittedly, producing a strong Asia-Pacific network -- would also cost Continental billions in integration and ruin employee morale.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 19):
That's what I keep asking, but no one here seems to listen. I can tell you that I believe, though without handing out surveys I have no rpoof, that most CO employees would rather stay as far away from a merger with any other major airline as possible.

Absolutely, I think that is a given. Continental's employees, at least in my estimation, stand to gain virtually nothing from a Continental-United tie-up.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18366 times:

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 8):
can someone explain how the union seniority would work in a merged UA/CO?

It'd be kinda like the Trojan War.



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User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18306 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 9):
I don't see how it could happen since the merger with UA/US was turned down...CO is bigger...the new airline would dominate too much of the air system in the US!

The UA/US merger was turned down pre-9/11 (actually UA backed out of the deal first). It has been said that in today's environment a merger would be more likely to get approval (of course not guaranteed).

As for domination, a UA/CO combo would be #1 in terms of passengers, but only carry 12.6% more pax than AA (based on January 2006 numbers). That compares to #1 AA now carrying 13.7% more pax than #2 Southwest (and 32.9% more pax than the next-largest legacy carrier in terms of pax, Delta).


User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18282 times:

Didn't the UA CEO and PanAm CEO agree to the selling of PanAm's Pacific routes over a game of golf?

-J  Smile


User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18235 times:

And one would be naive to think that Bethune has nothing to do with Continental anymore.

-J


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18201 times:

Is this rumor from your same source as the UA 777-300 purchase?

Don't post until you have real news.



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User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18172 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):
Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 8):
can someone explain how the union seniority would work in a merged UA/CO?

It'd be kinda like the Trojan War.

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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18172 times:

I love how these types of threads always start with "a good friend in senior management", or "a highly reliable source", or "a very senior captain", or "a friend in training", the list goes on and on. YAWN - I've worked in this industry long enough not to believe anything until the paint's dried....

- Travis


25 Post contains images BMIFlyer : In the current climate, I just can't see it happening, not while UA is still losing money, and CO is making a profit Lee
26 BA787 : Do that over here and lawsuits begin to be filed. Miserable sods at VS Not a bad idea. Would prefer CO and AA. Which alliance would they go to? Tom
27 Antoniemey : He has no legal authority at CO. He may advise Kellner on things related to the "Go Forward Plan", but I've seen no evidence other than rumor that an
28 ARGinLON : This is my favourite topic here discussed over and over without serious/actual sources. This should be deleted.
29 Joeman : ...and yes, the obligatory CLE "hub" closure comment so traditional with any CO/UA merger discussion.
30 Airzim : How sweet. Defending Worldtraveler by defending the integrity of this forum. How sad really. One correction, his views are 100% opinion and 0% fact.
31 UAORD2000 : Seriously people. I cant believe how many rumors about UA/CO merger i have heard. Lets wait until something is official. -J
32 MoPac : Wait a minute... Gordon doesn't play golf!!!!!!!!!!!!
33 SeeTheWorld : It's comments like that that destroy the credibility of most of your posts, regardless of their content.
34 SeeTheWorld : Ok, now if that's true ... how FUNNY!!
35 Post contains images UAL777UK : thats brilliant! All jokes aside, assuming this deal did happen, why does everybody assume they will be merged into one company. look at AF/KLM..two
36 ORD : Actually, the fact that UA is losing money makes it more likely they will be looking to merge.
37 MasseyBrown : Google source says that he enjoys golf but isn't any good at it. [Edited 2006-06-29 18:43:07][Edited 2006-06-29 18:43:54]
38 MalpensaSFO : Heathrow, Sydney, Ho Chi Minh, Seoul, Osaka, Shanghai, Bangkok, Singapore, Taipei, Melbourne, Kuwait.. SFO Hub IAD Hub DEN Hub LAX Hub ORD Hub JFK Fo
39 Turnit56N : A while back when UA was in bankruptcy there were reports that a few different parties (including an investing company headed by Bethune) were interes
40 Post contains images UA777222 : Has anyone ever thought about the fact that CO own's almost no aircraft of it's own? UA's major finance issue was lease agreements and because of this
41 Mcdu : CALite, Peanuts Fares and various other death door nails laid into the twice Bankrupt CAL. So your point is? UAL is on a strong return path despite w
42 GeorgiaAME : But then, "Continental United" does a nice ring to it... Or even "United Continental Express", but you would probably need a 787-10 rather than an RJ
43 Airzim : Oh God we have another Worldtraveler on our hands. And you're an expert because you ride in the front! And you had to throw in the 20+ years didn't y
44 Commavia : I thought I had made my point fairly clear. Continental is a strong, financially stable, economically viable, innovative carrier that is exceptionall
45 Sean-SAN- : CAL would be better off buying AS if they really want to get their foot in the west coast...and the fleets would work out alot better as well.
46 Luv2fly : I saw a CO and UA plane taxing one after another, maybe that is a sign?
47 Isitsafenow : My turn.............. I don't buy the merger mentioned. Perhaps Mr. Tilton wants Gordon to take over the reigns of UAL. That rumor, I will listen to.
48 Onetogo : Uh, yes it does. If you do not respect the job that he and his coworkers have done, then I suggest you simply forget about a.net. Also, how about try
49 ORD : JFK is not a UA focus city.
50 Airzim : What? He's a pilot, not in management. This is a lesson in reality not fantasy. I'm calling bullshit when appropriate. A pilot is no more an expert o
51 Dutchjet : If one round of golf is going to lead to a merger, can you imagine what would happen if they had dinner together?
52 Ludavid777 : BINGO!!!
53 Post contains images Typhaerion : You know, thats wierd, cause I have witnessed this phenomenon too. I think it is a sign. Come to think of it, I saw a UA plane at a gate in CLE, a CO
54 Post contains images Zone1 : You have gone a little too far in this thread Airzim. Does every post of yours have to be a personal attack? It is totally uncalled for you to blame
55 Evan767 : This post has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. I have suggested deletion as it is just a personal attack on WorldTraveler. The least you co
56 Letsgetwet : "And you're an expert because you ride in the front! And you had to throw in the 20+ years didn't you. Now that gives you tons of respect" I know a gu
57 Airzim : When people make dumb statements, no doubt! I unequivically disagree. United's pilots have everything to do with driving their salaries to unrealisti
58 Zone1 : Based on this reasoning WN and CO should be headed to bankruptcy too since their pilot pay is high compared to most other airlines. Pilot pay is only
59 Post contains images Ludavid777 : ROCK ON AIRZIM!! It looks like Mcdu has met his match!! I agree completely with AIRZIM... you see right through the bullshit and big HEADS!!
60 WorldTraveler : Oh some of us know precisely why some people post on this board and it is because they have a general grudge against the world and specifically those
61 MalpensaSFO : Thats right, they just fly to Tokyo, London, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Washington from JFK for the fun of it!
62 B777A340Fan : No, it wouldn't. I agree with you. I don't think a UA/CO would make through any court. The companies are too strong, big, and financially sound (comp
63 Post contains images AirframeAS : Reminds me of Martha Stewart..... Ughh! Bingo! Dude, nobody could AFFORD to buy-out AS. AS is a codeshare whore and they are way too profitable for t
64 FlyHoss : Ah, yes, the never-ending-UA-CO-merger thread. Part XCIV?
65 Mcdu : So zim, Could you elaborate on what it is you find interesting about airlines and aviation that brings you to this forum? As I stated earlier I am a
66 AirframeAS : Thats why I suggested that the tread be deleted in my reply #3.
67 Jamake1 : This thread is completely false. There has been no discussions between UAL and CO. UAL management is busy at work trying to increase operating margins
68 Post contains images Incitatus : I don't agree with almost anything you write, but that one is right on the spot for yourself.
69 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Speaking of pathetic, is the way you talk when you're socializing with people you don't know? There are plenty of those on this board - unless they a
70 ORD : From Wikipedia: "In the airline industry, a focus city is a location that is not a hub, but from which the airline has flights to at least several de
71 FLY764 : No one has to believe this but here..... I just started working for CO as a F/A. During training Larry came to meet our class, and quite a few asked t
72 Jamake1 : What a silly remark, and ignorant one, to make. This is how bankruptcy works: To attract exit financing, distressed companies have to remove signific
73 AirCanada014 : I don't see any successful yet, where's the net profit? still in bankruptcy..
74 Airzim : OMG, I am laughing so hard right now I'm crying. That has got to be the all time worst rebuttal I have ever seen in my life. "and I had to walk every
75 Lincoln : Wait.... I never said that!
76 2travel2know : If CO had a decent mini-hub, maybe even smaller than CLE, in the U.S. West Coast (suitable candidates: ANC, PDX, OAK, SJC, SMF, ONT, LAS) with flights
77 Antoniemey : If it could make the hop and make money, I'm sure they'd do it. Heck, I'd fly on it too... one aisle or two makes no nevermind to me as long as there
78 MalpensaSFO : SMF - Boarded nearly 10,000,000 passengers last year/About 27,000 passengers O/D on a daily basis![Edited 2006-06-30 01:28:10]
79 Ual777 : You are an idiot, and a rude one at that. If you knew how to ADD or maybe even knew what pilots make, you would know that FEW pilots even touch 200,0
80 Airzim : Boo ho. Go cry me a river. I'll say it again, the engines stop whining when they get to the gate, unlike pilots. You sound like a spoiled brat. YOU c
81 COewraatysaz : I pray that this does not happen. I think the airlines have two very different "personalities", especially amongst employees. UAL employees are shot f
82 Halls120 : Thank you for being one of the Captains that turn CH 9 on. I look forward to this every UA flight. Absolutely correct. My brother is a DL Captain, an
83 Post contains images Hiflyer : Now you don't think someone was 'funning' someone do you?
84 UAL777 : First of all, I am far from spoiled nor am I on a high horse. I pay for my own flight training, work 50 hours a week, and attend university classes a
85 Post contains images B6WNQX : Sorry this may not be too nice, but you have to admit it is funny.
86 Callufrax : UAL777 didn't say he was in it for the money. He said he was doing it because he loved it. People don't do a job just because of money. Some actually
87 B6WNQX : Very good point. If I had the money, I would be getting a CTP license as well, but unfortunately I am a semi-borke college student. Hopefully once I
88 BillReid : This is all very interesting. Continental is in a tremendous hole. They are fighting new onwnership laws because Virgin USA would pose a threat. The r
89 HunUtazo : they will be acquired as will nw and ua soon
90 Aeroman62 : Maybe this is it - CO buys UA pacific division, and takes over most of its SF hub, leaving UA with DEN/ORD/IAD, Star Alliance partners...
91 Polar1 : ...right, because those that have "mostly upgraded" do not whine or complain at all, if ever...I'm sorry sir, your upgrade is still waitlisted...and
92 HunUtazo : ahhh, no, the whole thing with ALL their pilots... all very young pilots too
93 Tommy767 : Those points are good ones, especially regarding fleet commonality. But we all know what would be the better hub candidates: EWR and ORD. Drop IAD an
94 STT757 : CO/UAL Hubs: EWR, ORD, DEN, IAH, SFO Focus Cities: IAD, LAX International Hubs: Narita, Guam
95 F14ATomcat : Then comes marriage and after that they have a darling little regional airline.
96 HPAEAA : Hm... well what can I say... well AA came pretty close before they picked up TWA... if AS had had an MD80 go down the deal would have gone through, h
97 Ludavid777 : why so? planes are full... fares have increased and passengers are still flying...
98 HPAEAA : Fares stil have a little further to go IMO before the industry stabilizes.... gas has gone up a lot.. and fares didn't begin to rise until the last 1
99 USPIT10L : UA's assets are NOT for sale. I've already suggested deletion of this thread. Come on, folks, let's stop beating the dead horse. CO will NOT give up
100 Ludavid777 : you are probably right... but i just don't see how compounding your problems through a merger/acquisition would help solve the gas bill not to mentio
101 Post contains images Badlydrawnboy : HEAR HEAR!! Usually the first reply I see while surfing this site that states anything about deletion (provided it's not incredibly offensive or a bl
102 ORDTerminal1 : Gordon Bethune is a major investor in the new United (UAUA). It would make sense he would want to talk numbers with Glenn Tilton if he had invested hi
103 Mkirch72 : I'm glad to see you value your customers so much. With an attitude like this, it's no wonder your service is so abysmal. Just remember this, the armc
104 Post contains images TristanHNL : While I too believe AirZim is being too rough on WorldTraveler, I do share some of Airzim's sentiments against WorldTraveler. Being a DL fan is no pr
105 Amazonphil : I really believe that DC10s forever just thought to himself that he really wanted to liven up the A.net forums some more and created a rumor to get t
106 AirMailer : Ditto!!
107 Amazonphil : Anybody notice that Mr. DC10s4ever only made one other post after his "stir the pot rumor?? Repy 15. Looks almost like Bugs Bunny creating a fight the
108 Airzim : Hmm, now I'm confused. Either I was right that they made over $200,000 or I was wrong. But then you agreed with me? So you did get my point; UAL pilo
109 DeltaDC9 : Personal attacks are sad, it also means you lost the debate without even trying.
110 AirMailer : Calling my doctor and my preist RIGHT NOW!! Looking out the window for flying pigs as I type. While the tone displayed by Airzim is a little over the
111 AirMailer : I try, but sometimes I fail.
112 WorldTraveler : I have not bashed CO in this thread. I have simply stated that DL will very likely become a more profitable airline and have a better balance sheet th
113 Slider : I'm not going there with this thread, but that's a BS excuse. Proper sound management that would keep the concern fiscally viable was the right recou
114 Sshank : Well, I am one such customer and UA treats me just fine, thank you. For all your comments about "customers being the one who pays the bill" (as if you
115 Amazonphil : You have to remember though that aircraft don't last forever. DL ...WILL HAVE TO REPLACE THEIR FLEET soon or incur multi-millions in MX $$ to keep th
116 HunUtazo : I would keep as much dal memorabilia as possible, they've already been chosen and are moving to that end, as is the whole of this industry...
117 Airzim : Spot on as always. Excuses are like a**holes, everyone's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. Spot on again. Plus within the next 5-10
118 WorldTraveler : Buying new/replacement aircraft is not a new concept for any airline. The question is how much one airline is forced to buy based on expected retireme
119 Slider : Nice post overall WT, admittedly. But when a company divests itself of billions in pension liability, and the PBGC is stuck holding the bag, that IS
120 MasseyBrown : - - not trying to get in the middle of a brawl here, but - - No, it isn't - not all of it, anyway - and that is one of the controversies about the wa
121 WorldTraveler : Pension assumptions by the PBGC are not public assistance because the PBGC is still funded as a standalone unit and has not been bailed out by the Ame
122 WorldTraveler : Massey, You validate my point about CO completely. CO’s highly leveraged balance sheet is a large deterrent to a takeover attempt but it also will i
123 Leskova : Outside of the United States - or, to be more specific, in Europe - for the most part, Continental is seen as just another US carrier; they are, at b
124 Commavia : Fortune Magazine has ranked Continental as the "Most Admired Global Airline" three years running.
125 Onetogo : Words cannot describe. CH9 saved my life.
126 Floridaflyboy : You're not looking carefully enough at this. The route systems are not the entire picture. You also have to consider fleets and labor situations.
127 Post contains images Leskova : "Most Admired Global Airline"?? That must be one of the biggest jokes in history! Sorry, but they're not even close. Maybe they're the "Most Admired
128 AirframeAS : Uhmm No, thats NW. AA wasnt even as close as NW was.... What?! Source please! It really goes to show how much you know about AS! Please provide a sou
129 Letsgetwet : You can laugh all you want, but that will not change the fact that Fortune Magazine's survey picked Continental as the most admired global airline in
130 CO767FA : Just as LH, BA, AF are just "another" european airline!
131 Letsgetwet : I have used LH, BA, KLM, and AF. and was not impressed. Like you said, "just your average Euro airlines".
132 MalpensaSFO : European airlines have been and always will be miles above those on the other side of the pond! Yes, your average European airlines that still are se
133 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Oh do they not obey the laws of economics anymore ?
134 Mlglaw : Whether about golf or the financial markets, I would guess it was still about par.
135 TVNWZ : Me too...and the griping has tapered off a lot. Enjoy flying them again. But, also, the most productive. Not yet. They will be in the future if you a
136 Letsgetwet : Care to to compare destinations? (can you beat 290?)[Edited 2006-07-04 05:27:48]
137 CO767FA : Really, is that why there was a very recent thread about the great service on BA? Is that why Sabena is still around? Is that why Swiss Air is still
138 ANNOYEDFA : I am so sick of reading about this stupid rumor, Continental does not want to merge with UNITED. The only value UAL has is their Pac routes and LHR ri
139 Uadc8contrail : ANNOYEDFA, it wasnt all that long ago that "that broken down, broke airline"had frank lorenzo spewing BS in the nations newspapers about how CO was t
140 CO767FA : Oh right...and UA now has Tilton saying the same about it. You are mortgaged to the hilt and banking on fuel at $50 a barrel (now it is selling close
141 ANNOYEDFA : I mean seriously...... Your proud the airline is so broke it had to mortage it's most profitable routes to exit chapter 11? I mean come on UAL has NOT
142 Uadc8contrail : CO767,ANNOYED.... how many times has CO been in bk????
143 AADC10 : It could well be that there is a merger or sale in the works at UA, although not necessarily to CO. The lack of capital investment and barebones staff
144 WorldTraveler : Actually, bankruptcy spreads the cost cuts which the airlines need over more people. The government pays less (although it certainly helps some) but
145 Toxtethogrady : Who keeps starting these rumors? It's never going to happen, unless CO can find someplace to ditch UA's Airbus aircraft and other odds and ends. The
146 Toxtethogrady : "can someone explain how the union seniority would work in a merged UA/CO?" The purchased will be stapled to the bottom of the purchasers. That's trad
147 Toxtethogrady : Your proof is on the Yahoo! CAL message board. The investors think a CO combination with UA is a joke. Too many negatives. Only the route system is a
148 Amazonphil : Alot of the problems started at old Stapleton Airport in Denver. I worked there for 13 years and there were always some problems with TWO major carri
149 HunUtazo : ...simple, they're going to LCC.
150 HunUtazo : aahhh, no
151 HunUtazo : ..that's the vocal minority.
152 CO767FA : Ouch....that really stings.....why don't you face the truth; UAL is in another sprial towards its second BK and the ship is going to break apart.
153 Ludavid777 : I was just informed that under the new bankdruptcy laws that went in effect last fall.... that upon exiting bankruptcy a company cannot re-enter for
154 Uadc8contrail : CO767, KARMA is a beautiful thing....keep spewing the crap that oozes from your all leased fleet and lets see where you are next year in a united uni
155 Post contains images CO767FA : Again...ouch...such a sharp tongue you have UADc8contrail! Yeah...you order me that UAL Uniform so I can have one to offer the local air memoriablia
156 Post contains images ANNOYEDFA : No doll I can afford to have my own uniforms custom fit, but since CO would probably pull a AA/TWA to UAL I woulden't be exactly excited to be working
157 MasseyBrown : NW cannot transfer or encumber their one share without CO's approval. Doing so allows CO to buy back the share for a "nominal" price. See CO's 10K fo
158 COTXDFW777AA : If I was CO I would just wait till UAL starts its selling off of assets and then cherry pick routes and craft and good people, and come out of it with
159 UAL777UK : Hmmmm...me thinks you are in for a very, very long wait!
160 FlyHoss : CO's fleet is not "all leased" (though the majority is). For example, CO owns 9 of the 10 767-200s and 14 of the 16 767-400s (at the "high end"), 26
161 Post contains images AirframeAS : My guess: PILOTS!!!!!!!! and CEO wannabes on this forum.
162 Post contains links STT757 : Here's an interesting article, apparently US is eyeing NWA for a possible merger. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06181/702279-28.stm
163 Jahmike : Threads like this will never stop will they?
164 HunUtazo : I know, why would it ever be discussed in 'I Wish I Was In Aviation-Land', when you have major airline, CEOs and ex-CEOs talking about it.....regular
165 Post contains images Fleet Service : Hmmm, about as likely as CO/UA if you ask me... One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this free for all thread is the fact that CO has maintained the
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