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Why No B6 At ISP?  
User currently offlineEmseeeye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Forgive me, I'm not from New York and havent been there for a number of years but I dont know too much about ISP but why isnt B6 flying from ISP?

EDIT: Other than WN living there why has B6 avoided ISP?

[Edited 2006-06-29 17:00:37]

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User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting Emseeeye (Thread starter):
Other than WN living there why has B6 avoided ISP?

Sort of answered your own question!! Though I do believe that the IFE alone would cross some people over.



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User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Quoting D950 (Reply 1):
Sort of answered your own question!! Though I do believe that the IFE alone would cross some people over.

Yes I did! LOL


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2978 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Basically, WN has already brought down fares enough that there's no reason for B6 to be there. I don't think that B6 is 'afraid' of WN or vice versa as both are very popular with Long Islanders (B6 - more Nassau County, WN - more Suffolk County) and they would have no problem filling up their planes. I just don't think $79 fares to MCO is going to make anyone money.

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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1:

Basically, WN has already brought down fares enough that there's no reason for B6 to be there. I don't think that B6 is 'afraid' of WN or vice versa as both are very popular with Long Islanders (B6 - more Nassau County, WN - more Suffolk County) and they would have no problem filling up their planes. I just don't think $79 fares to MCO is going to make anyone money.


Not only that but I believe WN has bought almost all the gate rights out of ISP. Leaving only one or two and that makes no sense for B6 just to have only one gate at an airport where they might want to expand routes.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

I know the 'easy answer' is '...because Southwest is there.' Up here at Manchester and I'm sure over at PVD, that's the reason why jetBlue isn't at either station. The 'reason behind the reason' is that Boston's Massport is quietly making sure jetBlue stays in Boston and doesn't go to either MHT or PVD. But if you look across the route maps of both carriers, you'll see overlap.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineSxmarbury33 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Why doesnt B6 go into HPN white plains airport and bring prices down. Many of the residents in the area already love Jetblue out of Kennedy and would be thrilled to fly a 320 or even the ERJ over the other props and commuter jets. Are there some other types of restrictions I have overlooked?

User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6745 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Quoting Sxmarbury33 (Reply 6):
Why doesnt B6 go into HPN white plains airport and bring prices down...Are there some other types of restrictions I have overlooked?

Yes, there are, I believe, restrictions imposed by the county on how many passengers may use the terminal per hour. Southwest would have gone into HPN years ago if the airport's restrictions weren't so severe.

Quoting Emseeeye (Thread starter):
EDIT: Other than WN living there why has B6 avoided ISP?

Fares between ISP and Florida on WN are already lower across-the-board than what jetBlue gets on comparable routes from JFK. Lower airport costs at ISP help to compensate for that, but there's little opportunity for B6 to stimulate traffic with lower fares in the ISP market.


User currently offlineGman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 7):
Yes, there are, I believe, restrictions imposed by the county on how many passengers may use the terminal per hour. Southwest would have gone into HPN years ago if the airport's restrictions weren't so severe.

Growing up all my life 6 miles from HPN, the airport indeed has always had hurdles, mostly from my town of Greenwich CT. There is a hourly pax cap and not much room to grow. The terminal before was just a hut that was added on to. They built a beautiful terminal, but I think it was kept purposely small to inhibit any further growth ( anyone who has been in the gate area knows exactly what I mean)
On paper, I am sure many airlines would love to start service there. B6 could have definitely profited from an HPN-Florida market route. I remember as a kid Air Florida served the airport.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3207 times:

Quoting Sxmarbury33 (Reply 6):
Why doesnt B6 go into HPN white plains airport and bring prices down. Many of the residents in the area already love Jetblue out of Kennedy and would be thrilled to fly a 320 or even the ERJ over the other props and commuter jets. Are there some other types of restrictions I have overlooked?

HPN is a difficult airport for the airlines - the airport is surrounded by affluent suburbs who "rather not" have a major airport in their backyard, thus operations are limited and expansion possibilities are remote. That being said, AirTran suprised everyone and recently started service to HPN with 717s.

Quoting Gman3 (Reply 8):

Growing up all my life 6 miles from HPN, the airport indeed has always had hurdles, mostly from my town of Greenwich CT. There is a hourly pax cap and not much room to grow. The terminal before was just a hut that was added on to. They built a beautiful terminal, but I think it was kept purposely small to inhibit any further growth ( anyone who has been in the gate area knows exactly what I mean)
On paper, I am sure many airlines would love to start service there. B6 could have definitely profited from an HPN-Florida market route. I remember as a kid Air Florida served the airport.

You bring back memories, Air Florida was a big player at HPN....not only did they fly to FLorida, I flew Air FLorida out of HPN to both BOS and DCA, with the 737-100 (the shorties, as they were called). You are right, HPN was nothing more than a hut.


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I am surpised that JetBlue has not opened up service out of Islip and Stewart, both airports serve the NYC area and in its short history, JetBlue has developed a very strong following in the New York City area. Service from both Islip and Stewart to Florida cities (MCO and FLL in particular) would be successful......the amount of travel between the NYC and South Florida area alone boggles the mind....with many pax flying back and forth every week. Its an enormous market. JetBlue has gone beyond JFK and now operates from EWR and LGA...Stewart and Islip would be successful additions.


User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3191 times:

B6 could probably make a little bit of money at ISP, but not much, due to the fact that WN already has very low fares. And as someone said, while B6 is very popular in Nassau County and the city, WN has many loyal fliers in Suffolk. IMHO, B6 has MUCH bigger fish to fry than ISP (cough MIDWEST cough).

User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3172 times:

I was going to ask about Stewart in this post but I just figured it would be way too out of the way for someone to drive just to save a few $$$ as opposed to flying out of JFK, LGA or EWR. I would imagine Stewart being a good destination route.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 10):
B6 could probably make a little bit of money at ISP, but not much, due to the fact that WN already has very low fares. And as someone said, while B6 is very popular in Nassau County and the city, WN has many loyal fliers in Suffolk. IMHO, B6 has MUCH bigger fish to fry than ISP (cough MIDWEST cough).

The Southwest effect is probably the reason JetBlue has not opened service at Islip, which is a shame; in this case, JetBlue is under-estimating its marketing power and even if JetBlue offered slightly higher fares than Southwest on Islip-FLorida routes, pax would go with JetBlue. The NewYork (Long Island)-South Florida crowd is an interesting one....many people I know fly to JFK when Islip would be far more convenient for them simply to avoid Southwest and,instead, fly with JetBlue. I am honestly not the biggest JetBlue fan, but when it comes to NYC-FLorida, they have convinced pax that they are the best choice.

This is an honest story, I have friends who are quite wealthy....they have homes in Fort Lauderdale, the Hamptons and Manhattan; frequently they travel by private jet......but when they fly between NYC and FLL, they go JetBlue and say, JetBlue is great, it almost as good as flying private?! You figure it out, but I do think JetBlue could make any NYC area airport work with flights to Florida cities.

Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 11):
I was going to ask about Stewart in this post but I just figured it would be way too out of the way for someone to drive just to save a few $$$ as opposed to flying out of JFK, LGA or EWR. I would imagine Stewart being a good destination route.

There are large population area for which Stewart is very convenient...Rockland, Putnam, northern Westchester County, etc. I agree that NewYorkers are not going to "schlep" to SWF to save a few bucks, but for many people, SWF would be a very convenient alternative.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4247 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Why no B6 at ISP? Because the A/C sucks at ISP and it is hotter than a Kenny Rogers Roaster oven in that terminal.

Seriously, ISP is not a very attractive opportunity when WN has the market saturated and they'd probably end up cannibalizing some customers away from JFK. In other words, there is little point....



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Well if they want to get debris in their engines and have people check in at 95 degrees in the check in area and have no working sprinkler systems in the gate area then they could go to ISP but if not, stay away. ISP is a mess now and the town won't fix any of the problems and wont fix the AC until next year!

I could see them starting up Stewart service as well as maybe like 2 flights a day to MCO and FLL from HPN. They could be larger at Stewart though. Some great opurtunities up in the Great North (NYC).

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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

That's because the town of Islip is too busy with the McGowan controversy and adding more town specific parking lots at the airport.


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