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Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010  
User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

Good news again for Boeing! Another new 787 Customer....

Press Release Source: Boeing Co.

Boeing, Aeromexico, ILFC Announce Deal for 787 Dreamliners
Thursday June 29, 1:00 pm ET
- Aeromexico to become first Latin American airline to operate 787s
- Airline will lease three new 787-8s from ILFC


SEATTLE, June 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA - News) International Lease Finance Corp. (ILFC) and Aeromexico, Mexico's largest airline, today announced the carrier will operate three 787 Dreamliner airplanes, making it the first Latin American airline to incorporate the mostly composite airplane into its fleet.
Aeromexico will lease the three 787-8s from ILFC with deliveries scheduled to begin in early 2010. ILFC has 20 787 Dreamliners on order.

The announcement follows Aeromexico orders earlier this year for six Next-Generation 737s and the recent deliveries of two 777-200ERs. The twin-aisle 787s and 777s are part of Aeromexico's continued fleet renewal plan and will be used on routes to Europe and Asia and will replace Boeing 767s that are coming off of leases. The 777s, also leased from ILFC, and 787s will provide long-range, point-to-point capability and flexibility to respond to changing capacity demands.

"With similar speeds, mission capabilities and cockpit commonality, the combination of the 787 with the 777 will provide Aeromexico with optimum fleet flexibility on long-range missions," said John Wojick, vice president Sales, Latin America and the Caribbean - Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

"By ordering three 787s, the airline has given fresh impetus to its fleet modernization program, which aims to improve the airline's operational efficiency and consolidate its leadership in Mexico and Latin America, in both the quality of its aircraft and the service it provides its customers," said Andres Conesa, Aeromexico Chief Executive Officer.

"The 787 will provide Aeromexico with breakthrough passenger comfort and operating efficiencies on their long-range routes," said Steven F. Udvar-Hazy, chairman and chief executive officer of ILFC. ILFC ordered 20 Dreamliners in November and has ordered 698 Boeing jets since 1977.

To date, Boeing has received a total of 403 orders and commitments for the 787. Aeromexico joins a growing team of 787 customers who have recognized the 787's exceptional value and superior operating performance.

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is being designed with airlines, passengers, investors and the environment in mind. The technologically advanced airplane will use 20 percent less fuel than today's airplanes of comparable size, provide customers with significantly more cargo revenue capacity, and present passengers with innovations including a new interior environment with higher humidity, wider seats and aisles, larger windows and other conveniences.

The Boeing 777 family of airplanes is the world's most advanced, and continues to evolve with the recent addition of the world's longest-range airliner, the 777-200LR Worldliner, and the Boeing 777 Freighter. To date, 43 airlines have placed orders for 736 777s, making it the most preferred wide-body airplane in its class.

Additional 787 Dreamliner Information

The 787 is a family of airplanes in the 200- to 300-seat class that will carry passengers on routes between 3,500 and 8,500 nautical miles (6,500 to 16,000 kilometers). The 787 will allow airlines to offer passengers more of what they want: affordable, comfortable, nonstop, point-to-point travel to more destinations around the world. In addition to bringing big-jet ranges to mid-size airplanes, the 787 will fly at Mach 0.85, as fast as today's fastest commercial airplanes, while using much less fuel. Also, for the first time in commercial jet history, the 787 family will offer a standard engine interface for the two types of engines to be offered on the airplane, the General Electric GENX (GE Next Generation) or Rolls-Royce's Trent 1000, allowing the 787 to be fitted with either manufacturer's engines at any point in time. Production of the Dreamliner will begin in 2006. First flight is expected in 2007, with certification, delivery and entry into service in 2008.




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Source: Boeing Co.

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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5213 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Now it's confirmed!!! Told you!!! Good news for AM!!!


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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Excellent NEWS!!!!!! I'm glad AM made this nice and refreshing move! Aeromexico wants to be leader in Latinamerica! Great Job!

Congratulations AM!!



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User currently offlineMx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 827 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7656 times:
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YES!!!!

Fantastic.

Another great news by AM

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User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 376 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

GREAT NEWS!!!!

Congrats to AM for being the first Latin American airline that will have such an amazing aircraft!

keep up the good work!



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7602 times:

Any word on the engines? I'm very curious on how they will look. Aren't they the first customer who uses a polished livery to order the 787?


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Any word on the engines? I'm very curious on how they will look. Aren't they the first customer who uses a polished livery to order the 787?

It'll be pretty interesting how they deal with the polished metal look but I suspect that it'll be painted. I think they are the first operator of the 787 who uses the polished metal look. I think they'll use GE engines since their 777 are also GEs.



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060629c_nr.html

Cheers to ILFC/Aeromexico and Boeing



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
I think they are the first operator of the 787 who uses the polished metal look.

Kinda hard to polish-up black plastic:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060629c_pr.html


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 8):

Thanks for the link, but that looks terrible. Time for a new livery? As much as I like the current livery, the grey does not look good. Kinda looks like the old United livery actually...



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

Nice job, Aeromexico........and I am certain that there will be additional follow-up orders from AM for both the 777 and 787 as AM increases international flying. The 787/777 is becoming a very popular combination for longhaul services.

User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

Awesome!



Good move. AM has now locked on time delivery slots

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

I was hoping that they would purchase them outright but considering that slots are sold out until 2012, it was a good move on AMs part. God, ILFC must be making a killing on lease rates for early delivery 787s!!!!


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30537 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7358 times:
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Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
I'm very curious on how they will look. Aren't they the first customer who uses a polished livery to order the 787?



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
It'll be pretty interesting how they deal with the polished metal look but I suspect that it'll be painted.



Quoting Leelaw (Reply 8):
Kinda hard to polish-up black plastic:

McLaren F1 paints their CFRP Formula One race cars to look chromed (saw them at Montreal last week and will see em tomorrow at Indy), so I imagine airlines like AM and AA will probably be able to find something similar to keep their "metal" look.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

Great for Aeromexico...too bad they will only fly just a few wide-body's.

User currently offlineQuig From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7149 times:
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What other airlines does ILFC have commitments from? Or any other lease holder for that matter. And what is the chance ILFC ordering more 787’s?

User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Thread starter):
The 787 is a family of airplanes in the 200- to 300-seat class

I might be wrong, but if the 777 and the 787 are in the same seat class (200 - 300), what are the differences between both of them other than the 787 is a smaller mostly composite plane?

Thanks in advance!


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5414 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7007 times:

So with the fact that Mexico City has an altitude of 7,240 feet above sea level and the 787's much touted ability to allow 6,000' pressurization...... What will they pressurize the 787 too!?!
Inquiring minds want to know!  Wink

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User currently offlineTradewindL1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

In regards to painting aircraft that cannot naturally display a polished metal finish. Everyone knows that the material Airbus uses for its skins (someone help as to what exactly it is) cannot be displayed as polished metal. As a result AA originally had to paint their A300s like this:

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Much in the same way as Eastern did with their A300s in the 80s.

Yet somehow in the 90s AA found a way to get their A300s to look as they do today, nicely polished even if it is paint.

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They even left some areas such as the tail and nose grey to match the rest of the fleet.

So I am sure that AM will not have a problem getting their 78s to look nicely polished as well.


User currently offlineGrantcv From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6912 times:

Quoting Tugger (Reply 17):
So with the fact that Mexico City has an altitude of 7,240 feet above sea level and the 787's much touted ability to allow 6,000' pressurization...... What will they pressurize the 787 too!?!
Inquiring minds want to know!

I guess your ears will pop on takeoff instead of landing.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5414 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 18):

Actually it is aluminum, the early one ones were either not ordered as, or did not have "matched" aluminum panels which is required if you are going to polish them up. (I read it in another thread a few months ago and somebody has pics and more info on it.)

Tug



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30537 posts, RR: 84
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6828 times:
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Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 18):
Everyone knows that the material Airbus uses for its skins (someone help as to what exactly it is) cannot be displayed as polished metal.

As Tugger notes above, Airbus uses aluminum for the A300's skin, which is why AA's A300s now sport the "polished metal" look for the most part. However, some of the pieces of the A300 were composites and as such had to be painted. Personally, I think AA's A300s look kind ratty now, as the grey painted pieces look kinda like "bondo" on an old car. Therefore, I prefer it when AA painted the whole plane grey.

But hopefully AA and the others will ask McLaren where they got their "metallic" paint and use it to keep the "polished metal" look.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 16):
I might be wrong, but if the 777 and the 787 are in the same seat class (200 - 300)

The 777 is in the 300+ seat class - Boeing quotes 301 passengers for the 777-200ER in a three class layout. The 787 is a smaller aircraft than the 777. If Boeing goes ahead with developing the second stretch (the 787-10), then that will be in the same piece of market as the 777-200/-200ER.

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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Aren't they the first customer who uses a polished livery to order the 787?

Maybe they should start thinking on a livery change!



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

I thought JL used polished metal or is that only JL Cargo?

Either way CONGRATS to AM and Boeing. Yet another carrier that has chosen that 777/787 combo to advance their fleet and growth for long-haul operations.  Smile

Also noticed the CX 744F's posted on Boeings site today. Big grin



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25 FLY2HMO : It'll probably be something similar to what SU uses. Also AM has (or had) a 73G that was painted in a similar metallic grey as SU. It didn't look too
26 Cun757 : It supose to come more 777 to AM... any one knows about that...?
27 Juventus : NOOOOOO. Never, leave it the way it is...
28 Post contains images Alitalia744 : Looks like they're going to. Hopefully Boeing finds a way to keep the great metallic look of the birds... from Boeing:
29 EddieDude : This is great news, read about this earlier but did not have the chance to log on and post a comment. I just hope that AM's sale is completed soon at
30 Post contains links and images SpinalTap : View Large View MediumPhoto © Terry Wade Jetstar also has the metallic paint look: View Large View MediumPhoto © OlivierG
31 DeltaDAWG : Great News for AM and Boeing!!! Will love to see the paint scheme when it is done. I know the automotive industry uses an aftermarket "Chrome" paint o
32 Tugger : I am wondering how much chrome paint weighs. I can only guess but I would think it is pretty heavy for paint. Especially if it has some type of metal
33 Luis777 : Aeromexico is going to change its paint scheme, that's true, the first airplanes with the new livery are the 737-800s, now they are going to be mostly
34 ElPelon : Regarding the new AM 787, have you mexican guys have seen the tv promos from AM announcing that the 787 is coming for AM.. It was weird thet they are
35 Ghost77 : Finally confirmed! And more white and blue... as if we need it! ghooost77 APM
36 Ghost77 : In respect to fleet changes, AM intends to increase it's B737 fleet to 60 frames by 2009 and phase out all MaDog's... It is said a 3rd new B777-200ER
37 Post contains images Fly727 : I'd say it is the other way around. More necessary money spent. Just being literal here, bro Seriously now, either AM's new owners (though it hasn't
38 Post contains images Latinplane : Wow, I'm so used to AM's silver polished frames since I was a kid that its going to be really weird to see AM going white. Silver is a tradition for
39 Tsaord : Wow I thought the 24 hour Airline, Mexicana, was the leader in Mexico. Learn something new on this board everyday! But Aero Mexico has a bad Livery!!
40 Post contains images Ghost77 : LOL! Well pretty much, things will look like this: In terms of pax flown MX is #1 above all mexican carriers. In terms of fleet, employee's, ASK's, s
41 Juventus : The day I see the AM livery go away, will be a sad day for me. Best one ever.
42 Ghost77 : **Update** More details on this deal disclosed... AM has got to an agreement with the Pilots union! The 3rd B777-200ER is confirmed, most probably due
43 EddieDude : I read today in the press that the mission for the three initial 788's will be to do the South American flights. If MEX-LIM continues to be operated w
44 Juventus : Finally, aggressive expansion from Aeromexico. Indeed, very good news
45 Anthsaun : Congrats for AM. The business is for the ones looking forward. Over a decade ago AM used to fly to FRA and FCO, perhaps these aircrafts will give AM t
46 XA744 : To me this whole long haul " fleet expansion " seems quite insufficient. You see, in terms of RPKS and fleet size, Aeromexico has shrunk dramatically
47 Anthsaun : XA744 You are right, but 3 B787's are better than none at all. Even one is good. I hope AM and MX see the present as clear as we see it now and cut ah
48 Ghost77 : Sounds smart as these B788s will probably have a seat config near to 200-230 which will sure increase it's offer and will make AM save some money if
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