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AA 777 JFK-EZE-JFK Soon!  
User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1129 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

According to internal AA news, JFK-EZE-JFK will be upgraded soon to 777 using the equipment coming off SJC-NRT route. Also, first A300 comes off lease on 2008, no decision yet about a type replacement. AA is still debating wether to keep the first AB6's coming off lease or move some 763's to cover A300 flying. They admit their A300s serve well the hi-density/cargo mid-short haul missions flown.

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

AA must be getting another 777 from somewhere, because only the 777 from SJC-NRT won't cut it. That's only one plane. A daily JFK-EZE-JFK rotation with a redeye in both directions requires 2 full aircraft. Perhaps the planes to fly this route could come from the DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW 2-aircraft rotation? If AA upgrades the JFK-EZE market to a 777, especially for the peak winter season, it certainly would not be surprising, as the market can definitely support it.

My completely unscientific count of AA's 777 utilization this winter, based on the current forward-looking schedule, shows utilization as:

LHR
BOS-LHR: 2 aircraft
JFK-LHR: 7 aircraft
ORD-LHR: 5 aircraft
LAX-LHR: 1 aircraft
MIA-LHR: 1 aircraft*

LGW
DFW-LGW: 1 aircraft

FRA
DFW-FRA: 1 aircraft

NRT
DFW-NRT: 4 aircraft
ORD-NRT: 2 aircraft
JFK-NRT: 2 aircraft
LAX-NRT: 1 aircraft

KIX
DFW-KIX: 2 aircraft

PVG
ORD-PVG: 2 aircraft

DEL
ORD-DEL: 2 aircraft

GRU
MIA-GRU: 2 aircraft
JFK-GRU-GIG: 2 aircraft

EZE
MIA-EZE: 4 aircraft
(JFK-EZE: 2 aircraft)

*aircraft for weekend flights LHR-MIA come from LHR-JFK flights not operating on weekends

Including JFK-EZE, that's a total of 43 aircraft by my count, and AA currently has 44 flying right now (not counting the one on 1-year lease to Boeing). So, I suppose, assuming I haven't counted wrong (which I very well may have), they definitely have the planes for it after cutting SJC-NRT and reducing RDU-LGW and the second DFW-LGW down to 777s.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32618 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6094 times:

It is true. The 772 is going to JFK-EZE between November and early April. I'm not really sure how they are rotating it in to the schedule, but I can confirm it.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6080 times:

Thanks, MAH, for confirming.

Also -- caught my own mistake. In my first reply, BOS-LHR requires 3 777s, not 2, which would bring the total count right up to 44, the number AA currently has flying. I should have known better than to think AA would give itself some 777 breathing room -- they always utilize these things intensively!

[Edited 2006-06-29 22:39:56]

User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

What is AA's frequency between BOS and LHR? If it is just daily, I would think one aircraft would be sufficient. If you have a moment, please provide more details. Thanks.

I am truly asking because I do not know but am interested. I mean no disrespect. You clearly have a lot of knowledge on this topic.

Andrew


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Quoting Adh214 (Reply 4):
What is AA's frequency between BOS and LHR? If it is just daily, I would think one aircraft would be sufficient. If you have a moment, please provide more details. Thanks.

AA runs double-daily BOS-LHR, which would ordinarily, as you indicate, require 2 aircraft (1 for each flight). However, one of AA's eastbound BOS-LHR flights (not operating Saturdays during the winter) is a morning departure from BOS, meaning that it requires another entire aircraft in order to make a daily rotation in both directions because the planes doesn't get to Heathrow until after 8:00 at night.

Quoting Adh214 (Reply 4):
I am truly asking because I do not know but am interested. I mean no disrespect. You clearly have a lot of knowledge on this topic.

No worries -- no offense taken whatsoever.  Smile


User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

As an AA frequent flyer on the JFK-EZE and GIG-MIA I'd pop the bubbly everytime AA retires a 767 from a route I fly and replaces with 777. AA's 767s are just disgraceful.


Killer Fleet: E190, 737-900ER, 777-300ER
User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

I think that N7AL will be comming back from Boeing this fall. There is one more aircraft.

User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 7):
I think that N7AL will be comming back from Boeing this fall

Why it was in Boeing?



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Thread starter):
Also, first A300 comes off lease on 2008, no decision yet about a type replacement.

Thee should replace their A300 with their oldest 763s as a temporarly resolution. On the future, they should think of the 787 as a plane that could fly both the 763s and the A300s routes.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 8):
Why it was in Boeing?

AA leased the plane to Boeing last fall for up to a year for Boeing to do some testing with the plane. AA obviously felt that the revenue from Boeing would exceed what they could get from flying the plane around for a year.

Quoting Thering (Reply 9):
On the future, they should think of the 787 as a plane that could fly both the 763s and the A300s routes.

That's pretty much what everybody is expecting, that AA will eventually replace the A300s with the 787s. The 787's cargo capacity and economics are a perfect fit for the current A300 markets. Most regard that as a matter of "when," not "if."


User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):
That's pretty much what everybody is expecting, that AA will eventually replace the A300s with the 787s. The 787's cargo capacity and economics are a perfect fit for the current A300 markets. Most regard that as a matter of "when," not "if."

Yes I agree! The 787 in mu sight will be a very versatile airplane, that would fly JFK/ORD or JFK/LHR for example with the same efficiency!



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Including JFK-EZE, that's a total of 43 aircraft by my count, and AA currently has 44 flying right now (not counting the one on 1-year lease to Boeing).

Some of the routes you've listed only require 1.5 aircraft instead of 2. For example, the flight from Tokyo to New York arrives in time to make one of the evening departures to London, same with NRT-ORD and possibly one of the NRT-DFW flights.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

One minor correction.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
MIA-EZE: 4 aircraft

As far as I know, currently MIA-EZE is served 2x daily. However, one of these flights is on a 763, so that would mean MIA-EZE demands just two 777's.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
LHR
BOS-LHR: 2 aircraft
JFK-LHR: 7 aircraft
ORD-LHR: 5 aircraft
LAX-LHR: 1 aircraft
MIA-LHR: 1 aircraft*

ORD-LHR goes down to 4x/daily during the winter season...now does that mean they need 5 aircraft, I don't know...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

JFK-EZE was a 777 in the past with both AA and UA. At one point UA even operated the 747-200 on the route. This is nothing more than a restoration of capacity.

User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

Also keep in mind that AA is using 777's for military charter work as well.

User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5698 times:

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 16):
Also keep in mind that AA is using 777's for military charter work as well.

AA is not currently flying any military charters with 777 at the moment.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1129 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

AA flies 1 777 between BOS-SDQ-BOS only on Saturdays (hi-season). Equipment not used when 2nd BOS-LHR (day time flight) does not fly on Saturdays.

User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

[quote=Dc10s4ever,reply=17]AA is not currently flying any military charters with 777 at the moment.


No, not at the moment, but for the upcoming holiday season they will be doing a fair amout of R & R flights for the troops.


User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 19):
No, not at the moment, but for the upcoming holiday season they will be doing a fair amout of R & R flights for the troops.

AWESOME! This is an EXCELLENT source of revenue for AA, plus when we are flying them, the troops REALLY prefer AA!  Smile


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1232 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5635 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 17):
AA is not currently flying any military charters with 777 at the moment.

I know ATA often uses L1011s for military charter into DFW, and just tuesday I was coming into the international terminal D here at DFW from SCL, and I saw a huge group of soldiers that had just come home. I think it was an AA flight. I know the old L10s have to make a tech stop going to Iraq, but can the long legged 772er make the flight from DFW to Baghdad, Doha, Istanbul, or wherever in the middle east they pick up soldiers, nonstop? That would be awesome if it could, an explain why AA has picked up some of the contracts from ATA.

Oh and by the way AA does have 45 777s flying, even with 1 at boeing... they just got a new one about a month ago.



Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32618 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 9):
Thee should replace their A300 with their oldest 763s as a temporarly resolution. On the future, they should think of the 787 as a plane that could fly both the 763s and the A300s routes.

Their oldest 767s are older then their oldest A300s and cannot profitably handle the high number of takeoffs/landings the A300 does on routes like MIA-PAP and MIA-MCO, both under two hours.

Quoting Jj (Reply 13):

As far as I know, currently MIA-EZE is served 2x daily. However, one of these flights is on a 763, so that would mean MIA-EZE demands just two 777's.

Effective 4 September 2006, both flights are a 777, year-round.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24869 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

The second LAX-LHR flight ends on 10/28 freeing and aircraft also.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineArgento From Argentina, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Quoting Jj (Reply 13):
As far as I know, currently MIA-EZE is served 2x daily. However, one of these flights is on a 763, so that would mean MIA-EZE demands just two 777's.

MIA-EZE-MIA will be upgrade from 763 & 772 to 2 daily 772 , begining OCT 06.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 15):
JFK-EZE was a 777 in the past with both AA and UA. At one point UA even operated the 747-200 on the route. This is nothing more than a restoration of capacity.

Before 9/11 & Argentina financial crisis , AA opereted 772 from JFK & MIA (2 daily), before the introduction of 772 ,MIA-EZE was a MD11 route.
UA routes to EZE were MIA, JFK & ORD -EZE all with 772 , until 2002.
MIA-EZE was operated with 741 from 1990 to 1998.


25 Mason : So nice to see 777 operating to South America again. I remember when AA flew 777s DFW and MIA-SCL; those were the days! One can only hope to see that
26 MAH4546 : AA and LAN don't compete. They have anti-trust immunity. The 777 was used to Santiago for cargo capacity. DFW-SCL is a huge money loser in the passen
27 Tockeyhockey : does this include the one that just rolled out of everett?
28 PolymerPlane : They are testing the new 787 control computer program on the leased AA 777 Cheers, PP
29 AA777223 : I can agree here. I just flew this route here and back this past weekend. It was pretty empty, and I was thinking there was no way they were making a
30 Incitatus : Is American doing this as a pre-emptive move before Delta starts flying between NY and Buenos Aires?
31 Commavia : I think it has more to do with it being peak season for U.S.-Argentina traffic, and AA having 777s to spare for the route, which operated with a 777
32 MAH4546 : Delta isn't starting EZE-JFK. They competed with CO for the route authority and lost. Yes, believe it or not, they do. The cargo on that route has ba
33 AA767400 : MAH4546, Mark do you know of any upcoming routes in the near future? Any news on anything out of JFK?
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