MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 30435 posts, RR: 77 Posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6751 times:
Delta will be announcing another destination in Florida very, very soon. This will mean Delta will be flying to serventeen Florida airports. The PR is supposed to come out today, but I can't promise that.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6746 times:
Hmm, not too many airports left for DL to start in Florida. Only realistic choice I could think of would be Stuart/Ft. Pierce. Marathon won't happen without any SCAG in place.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6602 times:
I mentioned a few months back about how eventually one of the airports between PBI and MLB could eventually see service...but some bashed the idea. Vero Beach (VRB) and Fort Peirce (FPR) are both Part 139 certified airports. Marathon is a commercial service airport already and could be tied into MCO. VRB or FPR could be via ATL. Im not sure of St Augustine is Part 139 or not, but thats a distant possibility. The only other ones left are SFB and PIE and DL really has no need to go to either of those.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3339 posts, RR: 20 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6592 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2): mentioned a few months back about how eventually one of the airports between PBI and MLB could eventually see service...but some bashed the idea. Vero Beach (VRB) and Fort Peirce (FPR) are both Part 139 certified airports. Marathon is a commercial service airport already and could be tied into MCO. VRB or FPR could be via ATL. Im not sure of St Augustine is Part 139 or not, but thats a distant possibility. The only other ones left are SFB and PIE and DL really has no need to go to either of those.
I thought these communities were fighting to keep these airports corporate???
A friend of mine looked into the APM job at VRB and they weren't big on commercial service at the time...
It is the last 'hole' in Florida where there is no very close airport that has service (between PBI & MLB).
Hold on, maybe I was thinking about Ocala...
...anyway - looking fiorward to seeing what it'll be.
FLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6577 times:
I wonder if Delta may try serving Ocala (Taylor Field). The population of the Ocala and Marion County has been booming, but it is 83 miles from MCO and 44 miles from GNV. I think there is enough demand to fill up a few RJs to ATL every day.
The other city might be Lakeland, which depends on traffic-choked I-4 to reach TPA - the nearest airport with major airline service. Growth in Lakeland and Polk County has been substantial during the last 10 years.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6563 times:
I had been talking with FPR about an ops manager job a few years back and they mentioend their Part 139 status and I believe they have Florida Coastal Airlines, which is like a Cape Air type airline. I believe they also have commercial (not jet) cargo operations.
Id rank the likelyhood as:
#1 Marathon- MCO
#2 Fort Peirce OR Vero Beach
#3 St Augustine
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3339 posts, RR: 20 Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6485 times:
OK lets through some details into the mix:
Runways:
LAL: 8500 x 150 & 5000 x 150
OCF: 6907 x 150
VRB: 7314 x 100 & 4974 x 100
FPR: 6492 x 150 & 4756 x 100
SGJ: 7996 x 150
MTH: 5008 x 100
OCF is BOOMING and far enough away from MCO - but that WAS the airport my friend went for an informational interview and he clearly stated they weren't actively pursuing commercial service. Could be a possibility though...
VRB - less than the standard commercial runway width of 150, but no big deal (can get FAA waiver if even needed) - may be too close to MCO (will have to check that). FPR is right down the road and is more central to the area when referenced to MLB/PBI/MCO.
FPR would be my guess if it is a 'new' airport so to speak. I don't think DL will send RJs to MTH - sorry. I would also hope for DL's case that they wouldn't start a 'split operation' at JAX (St. Augustine and DAB), TPA (PIE), or MCO (SFB) as it would canabalize traffic.
SGJ: could be possible - has the facility, but is fairly close to JAX and DAB - 2 good markets for DL already.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3339 posts, RR: 20 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6485 times:
Quoting Humberside (Reply 6): What about Gainseville or do DL already fly there
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6456 times:
You have to assume that DL is going after some sort of premium,like when they added Naples, .... something that OCF, SFB and PIE dont offer.
SGJ (St Augustine) VRB/FPR and MTH all can offer a premium. While MTH does have a rather short runway... it is longer than EYW's. If these VRB/FPR and MTH add new coverage, wheras SGJ really doesnt add much more.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6420 times:
Remember that DL is going to be squeezing larger jets out of the domestic fleet and onto int'l routes so the prospect for some of these smaller cities goes up as fewer cheap seats are available from the big airports.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3339 posts, RR: 20 Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6401 times:
well, the more I get into this - the more I'm dying to find out which one it'll be - I keep changing my mind.
Does MTH really offer enough traffic for a 50 seat RJ though???
SGJ could be good with the higher fare premiums (see DAB). DL is really strong in DAB, MLB, and PBI - the missing piece is FPR - right in between MLB/PBI. FPR could also grab some passengers from southern central Florida (Kissimmee south). Interesting topic to say the least.
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2685 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6361 times:
This may sound silly, but what about Lake City Florida? Isn't the closest airport to them up in Valdosta Georgia? Thats probably about 50+ miles away. I am not sure where people in Lake City and that area go. Its not a really big town, but the nearest airport to the west is TLH, to the south GNV, to the east JAX. All of those are over 50 miles. Maybe Lake City could be an essential air service airport for Delta.
They have a runway that is 8002 X 150.
However I kind of agree it might be VRB, that area is really growing.
Pbiflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 185 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6338 times:
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6338 times:
Lake City has nothing really to offer, not much business, no real premium, and highway access in 4 directions to other airports, VLD - North JAX-East TLH-West GNV- South
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6303 times:
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6279 times:
I cant see why theyd do SFB with bith MCO and DAB less than 30 min away, and both being FAR more attractive facilities, there really is no need for it IMHO, esp when going to achieve a fare premium.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
TWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 581 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6110 times:
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 7): FPR is right down the road and is more central to the area when referenced to MLB/PBI/MCO.
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10): DL is really strong in DAB, MLB, and PBI - the missing piece is FPR - right in between MLB/PBI.
Fine....go ahead and open VRB or FPR. DL is already down to 3 mainlines soon to be 2.
Stick a fork in MLB and watch DL pull their remaining mains out if they open them. MLB may soon be an RJ station. Frequent Flyers can only cry so loud about 1st class seats.
With DL retiring the B737-200 fleet, they will have to move A/C around to fill the mainline gap and fill them with RJs or cut back on flts. Its inevitable.
This all may change even more when they load their Sept 06 schedule.
ArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6100 times:
Put me down for Vero Beach or Ft Pierce. (whoever has the bigger populace and/or airport)
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3339 posts, RR: 20 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6067 times:
"As part of Marathon's revitalization, community leaders have launched a renewed effort to bring a major commercial airline to the Florida Keys Marathon Aiport, which is currently utilized by private aviators and charter services."
"The addition of a major commercial carrier would complement the airport by providing a new option for passengers looking for seamless connections to Marathon and the Keys from Miami, Ft. Lauderdale and other cities."
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3339 posts, RR: 20 Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5981 times:
Quoting Ruuxxv (Reply 22): I believe it's MTH, once daily to ATL.
this seems the most likely the more I think of it. FPR will have its day though...
FutureFO From New Caledonia, joined Oct 2001, 3083 posts, RR: 27 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5944 times:
EYW is also served by E145's to MCO as well
Sean
I Don't know where I am anymore
25 RL757PVD: i would have thought MTH would be to MCO for two reasons: - Short Runway, less weight restrictions, MTH-ATL pretty much means CR7 - Intra FLA network
26 ScottB: Given the growth in St. Lucie, Martin, and Indian River Counties, it would seem like FPR or VRB would be excellent opportunities, although given that
27 AirScoot: It's way too close to Orlando. I believe that VRB had commercial service years ago. I don't know if FPR did. but as a native southern Floridian, I ca
28 Deltaair: I'll second the Lakeland idea. Although the idea is optimistic at best, Lakeland has been booming over the past 3-5 years. It's only a matter of time
29 RL757PVD: Ill put $$$ on Marathon, here is an article about how DL CO and US were all showing an interest in MTH... http://www.keynoter.com/articles/2005/05/04/
30 OttoPylit: I would agree it would have to be, in this order: 1. Marathon 2. St. Augustine 3. Lakeland. All have very valid reasons for being picked on the subjec
31 DAL767400ER: Didn't even think about St. Augustine, but it could definitely be a possibility. Now, while it may be smack between DAB and JAX, I could still imagine
32 Dutchjet: I am going to go with Vero Beach.....that airport has had commerical service in the past and there has been a huge amount of development in that area,
33 USXguy: It can't be Ft. Pierce or Vero Beach. Ft. Pierce's terminal was severely damaged by the hurricanes last year. And Vero Beach's terminal is a catering
34 OttoPylit: Being that I grew up in JAX, it makes good sense. It is about equal distance for the wealthy Ponte Vedra Beach community between SGJ and JIA. Also, S
35 DAL767400ER: The market perhaps, but not the terminal . Now, even a 40-seat CRJ could be problematic once the TSA has put one of their f'n huge baggage screen mas
36 PVD757: According to the Bombardier website the min runway length needed for a CRJ-701 take-off at MTOW is 5130 ft. MTH's 5008ft runway would restrict that sl
37 Pauara: Personally i doubt it would be Ocala true it is a large community however the airport dosent have the facilities needed from Commercial Operations at
38 Knope2001: I saw someplace it's Marathon-Atlanta 2x/day with RJ. Nothing on delta.com yet.
39 USPIT10L: After checking through the "flight schedules" section, it does list "MTH Marathon FL" as a city in the network, but then it says "city code invalid o
40 CVG777: I am going to throw my guess in for Marathon. Air service to that airport is something that I have been wanting to see for a while, and I hope this is
41 COERJ: SFB and PIE are the only airports that currently have comercial service but aren't served by Delta in Florida. I could possibly see PIE simply because
42 CRGsFuture: Its got to be MTH due to the fact that it would allow a small amount of traffic to grow; add to the fact that the community doesn't have to go a milli
43 Hslightnin: SUA, FPR, or VRB would be awsome, Driving to PBI has become somwhat of a pain. SUA I dont see happining there would be way to much complaining, It thi
44 727LOVER: Dind DL Connection serve LAL before? Stupid question: Where is Marathon?
45 USPIT10L: Does that answer your question? Not that I know of.
46 Kkfla737: My guess is either Ocala or Vero Beach. Delta once served Ft Pierce from Orlando, but the US Airways flights from Orlando to VRB I believe were more s
47 Hslightnin: In the Keys between mainland FL and Keywest
48 MontanaFL: I read recently that "DayJet" is making LAL their base of operations in Florida. Maybe DL is thinking of attracting pax from there. Driving on I-4 is
49 Amwest2United: Yes, Comair (Delta Connections) used to serve Lakeland back in the 80's, I believe.[Edited 2006-07-01 07:10:16]
50 Amwest2United: Yes, Comair (Delta Connections) used to serve Lakeland back in the 80's, I believe.
51 MAH4546: Let's hypothetically say it is MTH. The frequency of the new service (daily flight plus one weekly) won't support the entire market, and the fares wi
52 OttoPylit: Ok folks, I can put this baby to bed. IT IS MARATHON!!! Deltamatic is showing service starting Thursday, November 16 with one CRJ a day, increasing to
53 TWAL1011727: Yes...US airways served VRB in the early 90s with B1900s, but they pulled the flts. The pax were generally VRB retirees and were on senior discount f
54 USPIT10L: Actually, Allegheny Commuter started flights in Florida in 1979, and they ran until 1990! OCF-MCO-VRB was started right after AL got to TPA. I only h
56 CVG777: It is Marathon! I just checked Delta's schedules, and my look at MTH-ATL departing on November 24 and returning on Sunday November 26 shows this sched
57 DAL767400ER: Comair operated 4x daily flights on MCO-LAL with 19-seat EMB-110 Bandeirantes in 1987/1988. Certainly didn't last too long, but really no wonder give
58 Floridaflyboy: I'm just hoping for more and better service to Daytona Beach!
60 DeltaMIA: EYW does great. Plus the airport provides enough incentives where DL doesn't really need much else. It helps, but it isn't necessary for DL to start
61 Stirling: Well Actually, Allegheny Commuter got the Ocala and Vero Beach routes when Eastern abandoned the routes. These were original cities Eastern served da
62 ExpressJet_ERJ: Why doesnt a major carrier go into PIE any more?
63 LV: Im still surprised ASA or Comair doesnt serve SFB. Grant it... its close to both DAB and MCO but that is still a growing area with several businesses
64 TPAnx: I live close to PIE--can hear the Coast Guard C-130's warm up. It takes me about 20 minutes to drive to TPA. The only time I've been "had" by the How
65 73G: Nope. The longest runway (5/23) is only 5,290 feet long.
66 LawnDart: Detroit City Airport's (DET) longest runway is 5,090 feet long, and Southwest and ProAir flew 737s there...with ProAir flying to ATL 613 miles away.
67 73G: How many seats were on ProAir's 737's? How far did WN send their 737's? Did CRJ's and ERJ's exist at that time as a viable alternative?
68 DAL767400ER: Remember that EA also used to send 721s into EYW, which is even shorter. That aside, DL mainline at APF? Ha, yeah right. First, that would be one hell
69 LawnDart: Don't know. They were 733s and 734s. If there is a former ProAir employee on the forum, maybe they can shed some light? At least 249 miles to MDW...d
70 73G: Either way, I'll concede is possible. I just wouldn't want to deal with the nasty performance.
71 AmtrakGuy: And Florida School for the Deaf and Blind. One of the few largest schools in the USA....FSDB used to be a model school and maybe one day, they'll be
72 727LOVER: But now, would it work with 3 ASA CRJ-200s to ATL? AA, CO & ML all tried seving both PIE and TPA. Obviously it didn't work, but I think DL/ASA could
73 Rookinla: I really hope that OCF Airport Management wakes up and realizes that air service is vital to a growing community. OCF is certainly large and strong en
74 Dj1986: I'm not sure but I think US Express was serving APF once from Tampa. I was wondering if DL can make ATL-APF work CLT might be a hub big enough for US
75 DAL767400ER: Doubtful, as LAL is lying smack between MCO and TPA, 2 DL focus cities, and is right alongside a relatively traffic jam-free interstate. More service
76 73G: Thrice daily from TPA and once daily from MCO as recently as 2000. The flights were operated by Air Midwest Beech 1900's. I flew on MCO-APF and was o
77 FLALEFTY: When they attempted commuter (US Air Commuter) service to LAL back in the late-1970s, Lakeland and Polk County were relatively-sparsely populated, an
78 MAH4546: AA is in talks to come back with two daily ATR-72s. American Eagle is ready to come back as long as APF offers a good enough incentive package.
79 Fewsolarge: If they're doing a route as thin as ATL-Marathon, I'd expect that we'll see most of the rest of the cities mentioned in this thread soon.
80 MoMan: Industry in Lakeland? You are kidding aren't you? The reason high numbers of road warriors live in Lakeland is because of the extreme housing costs i
81 727LOVER: Are you on crack? Granted, I don't know where you are in Pinellas, but On a weekday afternoon, it'll take 45 minutes just to get to the 275/4 interch
82 AJMIA: I have heard that CJ Cannon's Restaurant which is in the VRB airport terminal is moving... I wonder if they are making space for something? AA had MIA
83 ASFlyer: Piedmont used to fly F28's into APF from both TPA and MIA several times daily. When US and PI merged, I believe that US flew these routes for a short
84 FLALEFTY: It was US Air Express (Chautauqua, using Be-99s) that used to serve MCO-OCF. Back in the day, that service failed because Martin Marietta (Ocala's ma
85 DLX737200: This is extreme. I have driven to TPA countless times from my home near Orlando and it generally takes me 95 minutes or so from start to finish. I ca
86 Rookinla: And don't forget also that the OCF-MCO flights were only 2X daily IIRC, and US' MCO service was extremely limited at that time. Looking back at the t
87 MAH4546: No, no Delta. They are all near a major airport already. It isn't like Lakeland residents have to drive three hours to get to MCO.
88 MoMan: There has been a lot of discussion about trucking companies, freight distrubutors, and the like setting up in Lakeland (low wage industries) but I do
91 TOLtommy: Thank goodness it's ATL-MTH. I was really afraid it was going to be MCO service. Single connections to the middle keys! Whoo hoo!
92 PVD757: I think since it's via ATL - it'll do well. Figure that 241 (plus codeshare destinations) other online destinations can scrape up 40-50 people a day t
93 PVD757: I think since it's via ATL - it'll do well. Figure that 200+ (plus codeshare destinations) other online destinations can scrape up 40-50 people a day
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