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Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX  
User currently offlineSbaguy1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Why is it there is almost no nonstops from LAX to PVR ? Alaska is now
the only carrier doing this and at a premium. Aeromexico Discontinued
its lone nonstop in Feb of this Year and Aerocalifornia was the only
other carrier with 3x a week service and is all but gone. I was a regular
on AM for years 2xs a month and the flights were at least 80 percent.

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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

I think at least some of it is seasonal. We are entering hurricane season (low season) in the Summer. Airlines will add service back by Oct/Nov.

In addition, F9 was just awarded route authority for LAX-PVD, so look for them to begin flying the route soon!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26620 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 1):
In addition, F9 was just awarded route authority for LAX-PVD, so look for them to begin flying the route soon!

Didn't know you needed a route authority to fly Los Angeles to Providence  Silly. PVR has always been a strong destination from LAX load wise but it has always been seen as more of a discount resort, much like Mazatlan. A lot of the spring break and summer trip crowd on a budget does PVR as an alternative to the more expensive Cancun, Ixtapa and Cabo San Lucas. This, of course, hurts yields. Still, with 3 authorities now allowed on the route, I don't see why there isn't someone trying to pick up some business.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25432 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
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Quoting Travelin man (Reply 1):
I think at least some of it is seasonal.

Both Alaska and US Airways (America West/Mesa) fly LAX-PVR.

Delta was recently granted (provisionally) the third authority.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 1):
F9 was just awarded route authority for LAX-PVD, so look for them to begin flying the route soon!

Whoa, Neddy. Frontier was granted (provisionally) LAX-SJD. They did not apply for LAX-PVR.

mariner



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26620 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
Delta was recently granted (provisionally) the third authority.

Which makes no sense given their wishy washy committment at best to the LAX market.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25432 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2513 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Which makes no sense given their wishy washy committment at best to the LAX market.

Obviously, it made sense to the DOT.  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26620 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Obviously, it made sense to the DOT.

So does subsidizing wasteful, expensive and futile road projects while ignoring public transportation.  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25432 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
So does subsidizing wasteful, expensive and futile road projects while ignoring public transportation.   

That's some stratch, but okay, yes. I would suggest that the DOT is merely reflecting government policy.

And London could have done what Amsterdam did about traffic and Auckland NZ is totally screwed with virtually no public transport and the city cut in two by motorways.

So, in the great scheme of things, one small route to Mexico awarded - for the first time - to an LCC insread of a major seems rather small beer.

But - have it your way.

mariner



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
F9 was just awarded route authority for LAX-PVD, so look for them to begin flying the route soon!

Whoa, Neddy. Frontier was granted (provisionally) LAX-SJD. They did not apply for LAX-PVR.

See, that's what happens when you try to use your memory rather than looking things up. I stand corrected. DL gets LAX-PVR.

Jeez, thank goodness it's Friday before a long weekend.... I apparently need a break!  Wink


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26620 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
So, in the great scheme of things, one small route to Mexico awarded - for the first time - to an LCC insread of a major seems rather small beer.

Actually, I was more in favor of a United application than a Frontier one, but either way would have been better than Delta



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User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
Both Alaska and US Airways (America West/Mesa) fly LAX-PVR.

True, but the US/HP/YV flight is Saturday-only on a CR9. Ouch.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25432 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2414 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
I was more in favor of a United application than a Frontier one, but either way would have been better than Delta

A critical point of the Frontier application is the reduction of fares. Frontier gave the commitment to bring down the basic fare by at least a third.

United said that Ted could bring lower fares, but did not quantify.

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 10):
True, but the US/HP/YV flight is Saturday-only on a CR9. Ouch.

Oh, I agree, but they have it and have had it for a couple of years.

It was this use of mainline/express to grab Mexican rights that led to the changes to the bilateral.

The DOT has said that it would be okay for an airline wanting to use mainline aircraft to challenge the "express" authorities, that they would consider it.

But gee, I don't know who would do that.

mariner

[Edited 2006-06-30 22:21:11]


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25787 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

PVR has somewhat gone the way of Acapulco being an older resort destination. PVRs big boom was in the late 70s into the 80s and has since seen significant decline in demand.
While many folks swear by Vallarta, for West Coast folks with easy access to Mexico many other cities featuring as newer and "hotter" properties have taken the PVR shine away.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
PVR has somewhat gone the way of Acapulco being an older resort destination. PVRs big boom was in the late 70s into the 80s and has since seen significant decline in demand.
While many folks swear by Vallarta, for West Coast folks with easy access to Mexico many other cities featuring as newer and "hotter" properties have taken the PVR shine away.

Interesting point......it is true that some resorts are like fashion items, popular for a few years and then they are no longer in style.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):

Which makes no sense given their wishy washy committment at best to the LAX market.

I agree, but I think that DL is trying to re-establish itself at LAX - DL made a huge mistake when it dropped the LAX-Mexico services that they inherited from WA. Never mind routes like LAX-PVR or LAX-ACA......DL dropped LAX-MEX! Until recently, many US carriers including DL had little interest in the US's southern neighbor but all of that has changed and DL is now trying to catch up. All of that being said, I think that DL will have a tough time with LAX-PVR, AS is in a strong position in these markets.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25432 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2312 times:
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Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
I agree, but I think that DL is trying to re-establish itself at LAX

They're still playing funny buggers. Several of their applications for Mexico service from LAX are through the Connection carrier, there is little commitment by mainline, except in a couple of markets.

They had to change their application for LAX-SJD - originally they were suggesting very limited service, but then, criticized by the other airlines, they said they would offer the most seats, daily. I guess it didn't help.

And I not sure what to make of their curious attempts to transfer their (mainline) authority for LAX-GDL to ASE - a fairly blatant route manipulation.

mariner



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