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Sida Badges And Their Authority  
User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1905 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17874 times:

Hey everyone. Today I got my first SIDA badge of my life. I work for MCO doing ramp. I'm very excited to have this job finally. Anyway, my question is: What authority does a SIDA badge have outside of your home airport? I've heard people say it's useless at other airports and I know of others who have used their SIDA badge to get onto other airport ramps. Any airport employees on here have any feedback on this topic? Just curious. Thanks

-Justin

[Edited 2006-07-01 00:28:35]

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17854 times:

Quoting Dlx737200 (Thread starter):
What authority does a SIDA badge have outside of your home airport?

Zero, Zip.... Nada. It's only good at the airport of issue. If you get caught on an other airport with that badge and without their issued ID or an escort you are in serious-serious trouble. Now I have had a SIDA badge help me get a temp pass at an airport. I was chashing a damaged airplane and when I stopped by the Ops Office they issued me a temp pass based off my other Sida badge. It was only good for a week and only within 100ft of my aircraft.

[Edited 2006-07-01 00:38:48]


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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6015 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17850 times:

If it's badged for one airport, as you've already said, it's useless as other airports—especially since non-airline personnel don't know city codes, added to the fact that each airport has a different design, so there is no way that they can honor badging from another airport.


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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17795 times:

Basically, like EMBQA said, it's only good to get a temp badge at other airports, and that's pretty much only if you're there on a temporary job assignment... for example, when I was working on the ramp at BNA, for a short time we had some guys from a station in South Carolina helping us out... they got temp BNA badges because they had SIDA badges at their home airport, but they had to wear both and they were only good while they were in uniform and working.


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User currently offlineSCXmechanic From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17761 times:

Ha! This reminds me of a story of when I showed up at an "unnamed to protect the guilty" airport.  

I needed a SIDA badge for a short program my airline was running at this facility. I was required to do overnight mx on the 727 and ride with it when necessary.

At my arrival at the Security badging office, the Security Director or trainer saw the mass of SIDA badges hanging from my neck along with the Airline ID, he just told showed me on a large diagram of the airfield and where my badge wouldn't work. He took my photo and printed out an ID for this "unnamed airport" without any hesitation.

I was quite shocked that I didn't have to "sleep" through another SIDA class. And would you believe, the same film shot on location at MCO years ago is the one that was shown at a vast majority of the airports I had the pleasure of being badged at?

At the time, I had active SIDA badges for the following airports. LAX, MKE, SFO, MSP, DFW, LAS, IAH, DTW, BOS, IAD, JFK and PSM.

Oh the joys of being a Flight Mechanic... I miss it sometimes... But now its nice to be home every night.

BTW, Dlx737200 who are you working for? Come on over to Airside 2 and see us lowly WN mechanics on RON shift sometime! lol

[Edited 2006-07-01 03:53:54]

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17725 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Zero, Zip.... Nada. It's only good at the airport of issue. If you get caught on an other airport with that badge and without their issued ID or an escort you are in serious-serious trouble. Now I have had a SIDA badge help me get a temp pass at an airport. I was chashing a damaged airplane and when I stopped by the Ops Office they issued me a temp pass based off my other Sida badge. It was only good for a week and only within 100ft of my aircraft.

Correct. If you don't have a COMPANY-issued ID badge, you can't get through security outside your home airport. You have to have a boarding pass, company-issued ID, or other form of airport-related ID. That does NOT include a SIDA badge. I remember when I went to TPA in 2003 to do some spotting and terminal exploring for a day, I asked a TSA agent in Airside E (DL's base there) if I could get through security checkpoints with it. He said yes, but the reality was a resounding NO. Now, pre 9/11 that was possible. Now it is not. The only airports you can walk through and explore outside MCO are ATL, ORD, DEN, PIT, and JAX IIRC. Those are the only major airports that have one common security checkpoint that everyone goes in and out of. All the others have seperate security checkpoints for each concourse/terminal. Do you work for DGS at MCO? Good luck. You'll need it.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17688 times:

In Canada we have a Canada wide Airside pass. I have one... I can go airside on any airport in canada...without any kind of escort.

They are hard to get.

GS



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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17677 times:

Your airline company ID will in most cases get you through the Employee security lines at any major airport. I've used mine to get through DEN, PDX, IND without any problems and mind you that PDX isn't served by any YX fleet. However going through DEN and PDX I flew Frontier and the IND trip was on skyway. Also I've noticed that F/As tend to give you top service if they know you're an airline employee, yes this is borderline breaking the #1 non-rev law, don't disclose your company affiliation.

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17662 times:

Some of us work at airports small enough they don't even issue SIDA badges for airline personnel, our airline IDs are good enough for them.  Smile


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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1905 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17657 times:

Quoting SCXmechanic (Reply 4):

BTW, Dlx737200 who are you working for? Come on over to Airside 2 and see us lowly WN mechanics on RON shift sometime! lol

SCXMechanic, email me. We'll schedule a meetup sometime.

-Justin


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17639 times:

Quoting Dlx737200 (Thread starter):
What authority does a SIDA badge have outside of your home airport? I've heard people say it's useless at other airports and I know of others who have used their SIDA badge to get onto other airport ramps.

SIDA badges are only good as a form of Government Issued Photo ID...which can be used to get through security. Other than that, they are absolutely worthless at other airfields. You cannot use them to access ANY restricted areas without, of course, a badged escort.

If anyone is telling you they have used their badge to access restricted areas at other airports, if it's true, they are committing a felony in doing so.

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 7):
Your airline company ID will in most cases get you through the Employee security lines at any major airport.

That wasn't his question. He inquired about SIDA badges, not employee ID's.

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 7):
Also I've noticed that F/As tend to give you top service if they know you're an airline employee, yes this is borderline breaking the #1 non-rev law, don't disclose your company affiliation.

Flight attendants are made aware of employees onboard via the passenger manifest. You don't have to tell them...as long as you sit in your assigned seat, they arleady know.



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User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4992 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17639 times:

While your SIDA badge may not be used for ramp access at airports other than the one it was issued for, I also use it for ID when checking in for a flight and as ID for passing thru security. I've never had it questioned, they take a look at it and just say OK. But they DO look for the hologram on it.


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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17526 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 10):

I was just adding onto what another user posted in here regarding company IDs, but thanks for sounding like a dick. Yes this is thread was started about SIDA however the company ID can be used to expedite your way through security away from your home airport. PILs are suppose to label you as a non-rev but that doesn't mean the F/As will remember where you are seated when there are 100+ other people onboard. Maybe it's a good thing you're retiring.


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17513 times:

my sida badge is only good at my home airport but business has taken me elsewhere where a company id and an escort is good enough for the ramp access i required. besides, when you're away from home and on business usually in casual attire going out onto a hot ramp to hang out isn't my idea of fun. i'll stick to the internet and air conditioning in the terminals if i'm not at the airplane or such.

even though the agency that issued my sida badge governs 3 other airports in the area my badge is useless at the others. in fact, we all risk getting the thing revoked if we're caught using it at one of thoer other fields.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 17456 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 10):
SIDA badges are only good as a form of Government Issued Photo ID...

My SIDA badge came in handy when I had to go get a replacement drivers license a few years back when I thought I had lost mine (the bank forgot to put in back into the tube in the drive thru teller line).


User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 17441 times:

Is it really that smart of us to be talking about SIDA priveledges and how you can use them to get through security checkpoints and such? Yes, it is common information to a large group of people, but it's not really out there for the general public to know or need to know. In fact, here at BWI, they instruct you in SIDA training and renewal classes to specifically NOT discuss how to obtain or credentials associated with a badge.

NTS



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17426 times:

Wow 15 posts and paranoia posts...I was supprised it took so long....

GS



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12103 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17379 times:
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Quoting Greasespot (Reply 16):
Wow 15 posts and paranoia posts...I was supprised it took so long....

GS

Agreed, maybe we should not mention the planes cockpit is located in the front of the aircraft.



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User currently offlineCritter From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17373 times:

Quoting Ntspelich (Reply 15):
Is it really that smart of us to be talking about SIDA priveledges and how you can use them to get through security checkpoints and such?

Absolutely Not!!!! The only thing that I will say is that the whole system sucks! There is no standard between airports. One airport may choose green another may choose red or blue for SIDA Access.

All of the airports in the US should have a standard color code and basic layout with an area clearly identifiable as to issuing airport including hologram. Flight crews from various airports frequently navigate around airports where they are not SIDA Authorized. This would make sure that all personel on the field can identify someone who does not belong regardless of where you are from.

If you have SIDA access and are not sure as to your privilages I highly suggest that you return to your respective Pass and ID department and get your questions answered.

critter


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17342 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 16):
Wow 15 posts and paranoia posts...I was supprised it took so long....

GS

It is hardly paranoia, rather it is following protocol. Anyone who has been through a boring SIDA or AOA class knows that one of the points that is made is not to discuss security measures with anyone who doesn't need to know. While the majority in this thread may already know that, who knows about the lurkers who may be reading this forum. It is hardly Paranoia to use common sense.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3657 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 17300 times:
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Quoting Critter (Reply 18):
There is no standard between airports. One airport may choose green another may choose red or blue for SIDA Access.

It's because the badges are airport specific and makes it much easier to spot those who are not supposed to have SIDA/AOA access at your home airport. You should be able to recognize the different types of badges your airport issues. If someone doesn't have the one of them, it should be automatic that you go up to them and challenge them. People are very visual and it would be a lot easier to spot someone if you can just glance at their badge to see if they belong there or not. The easiest way to do this is for every airport to have the ability to choose their own color and layout for their badges.


User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2041 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 17280 times:

When I got mine here in MSP, the APD staffer told me don't lose it or it or it will cost a $100.00 to replace. I said ouch a $100.00? I better protect this better then my charge cards. He than said he was told BOS is $1,500.00.

My reply, OMG !!!. Don't ever lose it.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 17262 times:

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 21):
He than said he was told BOS is $1,500.00.

When I was in BOS in '98 that is what it was....even more if you had a Customs sticker.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 17234 times:

Quoting Critter (Reply 18):
There is no standard between airports. One airport may choose green another may choose red or blue for SIDA Access.

At some airports, there may be several different colored SIDA badges in use. For example, airline employees have badges of one color (funny side note on this, UPS and FedEx drivers that make deliveries to customers inside the SIDA have the airline employee SIDA badges since their employer is also an airline), gov't employees (City, State, Federal) have a different color, vendors have another, contractors have another, construction crews another, and then there's the Non-SIDA badge that employees of retail shops and restaurants have in order to get through the security checkpoint.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 17225 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 22):
When I was in BOS in '98 that is what it was....even more if you had a Customs sticker.

1,500 dollars for an ID damn, and to think that the Port Authority was losing it when they raised the price from 50 to 100 2 years ago.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 25, posted (8 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 17196 times:

I have to pay 500 for my all canada access pass if i lose it. That is why the security guy giving it to me it will Never be lost........It will always be stolen...You know left it on the lunch room table and someone must have grapped mine by accident......that get you a new one for free...  Smile

GS



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