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More Future Service At New Mexico Airports?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

This is not a poll. What are the chances of some New Mexico airports gaining more service? Some of the airports have lost commercial air service, such as Gallup, Alamagordo, Taos, Ruidioso, and Las Cruces (ironically the second largest city in New Mexico). However, what are the chances of other New Mexico airports gaining service, besides ABQ? I personally think that Farmington, the #2 airport in New Mexico, could use service to Salt Lake City. To reduce future overcrowding at ABQ, Delta Connection should perhaps start CRJ service on SAF-SLC, and Southwest should add 737-500 service from SAF to PHX and DAL. Any thoughts on this?


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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

I seriously, very seriously doubt that WN would ever start service to SAF with ABQ a very easy drive just down I-25.

It has been many, many years since I was at the SAF airport? Has it been upgraded in recent years?

I was just thinking about SAF the other day. If memoery serves me correctly didnt American Eagle fly to DFW at one time, from SAF? Do they still do it?

I just think that much of the traffic will be routed through ABQ, for at least the foreseeable future.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

SAF could indeed perhaps become a backup airport to ABQ. The people in Santa Fe may be willing to pay more for the convienience. Some LCCs may indeed prefer SAF over ABQ. For example, in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, Airtran chooses to fly into PHF rather than the busier ORF. Since the Albuquerque area is rapidly growing, SAF could indeed gain traffic in the future.

FMN is perhaps another airport to watch. They currently have service to three destinations (ABQ, DEN, and PHX), making them the second busiest airport in New Mexico. They could indeed use service to SLC.



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User currently offlineOkelleynyc From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

I have a house in Red River and my only options are ABQ, COS, and AMA. I typically fly into COS because the drive is so beautiful. Would surely love a Taos connection. On the other hand, the whole Enchanted Circle is still fairly unknown to most and maybe it should stay that way....


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting Okelleynyc (Reply 3):
Would surely love a Taos connection.

Taos used to get service by Rio Grande Air to Albuquerque, until RGA stopped flying.



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User currently offlineEclipseFlight7 From Somalia, joined Apr 2004, 518 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

SAF is in no way prepared to handle a large passenger aircraft. The airport is small, and, if I remember correctly, is limited to expansion as it is on a small plateau. Besides, it's only an hour drive from Albuquerque, or half an hour if you know where the state police like to camp out. ABQ is not in need of relief, and SAF has no need for large commercial service. They should be satisfied with the United service to Denver.

Any expansion in NM will most likely take the form of Mesa expanding its operations in state with B1900's.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 5):
Any expansion in NM will most likely take the form of Mesa expanding its operations in state with B1900's.

I doubt we will be seeing ABQ-SAF, due to the Rail Runner Express being built. I think that SAF should get at least CRJs to places such as PHX and SLC. I do believe that at one point, United considered upgrading SAF to a Dash-8 under their own name, rather than via Great Lakes Airlines. I don't know why United scrapped those plans.

[Edited 2006-07-01 20:10:29]


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User currently offlineLeo777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

The problem with Las Cruces New Mexico is that it is 47 miles away from El Paso, Tx. With a population of about 74000 in Las Cruces compared to 600,000 in El Paso and 2 million in Juarez, I dont see any scheduled to service to Las Cruces to begin anytime soon, again. There is just not enough feed or demand for direct service to Las Cruces at this point give it 30 years then the area might support a second airport but even then....


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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5581 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 5):
SAF is in no way prepared to handle a large passenger aircraft. The airport is small, and, if I remember correctly, is limited to expansion as it is on a small plateau.

SAF is quite capable of handling a wide array of aircraft, certainly including regional jet and (for example) 737/A320; in addition, there is plenty of room for expansion (most notably, extension of rwy 2/22) should the need arise. Now, whether the demand is there, is an open question. Santa Fe is a growing market, and one suspects that greater availability of rationally-priced service might lead to greater demand.

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 5):
They should be satisfied with the United service to Denver.

If you've ever priced that service, you might know why "they" (meaning, people who actually earn and spend money for travel) are not "satisfied" with the single-source model.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 8):
SAF is quite capable of handling a wide array of aircraft, certainly including regional jet and (for example) 737/A320; in addition, there is plenty of room for expansion (most notably, extension of rwy 2/22) should the need arise. Now, whether the demand is there, is an open question. Santa Fe is a growing market, and one suspects that greater availability of rationally-priced service might lead to greater demand.

From a previous thread, a user said that SAF used to get DC-9 service. If Airtran chooses to fly into New Mexico, they indeed could perhaps choose SAF over ABQ for 717 service. Delta and American could start RJ service to SLC and DFW as well. If such an expansion of flights occurs, the airport IMO should be renamed to "Santa Fe International Airport" or "Santa Fe Regional Airport". "Municipal Airport" gives the impression of a general-aviation-only airport. Strangely, the airport in Las Cruces is named "Las Cruces International Airport", but does not get ANY commercial air service.



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User currently offlineEclipseFlight7 From Somalia, joined Apr 2004, 518 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
I doubt we will be seeing ABQ-SAF, due to the Rail Runner Express being built. I think that SAF should get at least CRJs to places such as PHX and SLC. I do believe that at one point, United considered upgrading SAF to a Dash-8 under their own name, rather than via Great Lakes Airlines. I don't know why United scrapped those plans.

I didn't say Mesa would fly ABQ-SAF, as going through the airport will take longer than driving to Santa Fe. Mesa could potentially add other destinations however, such as Taos and Las Cruces.

All United Dash-8's are operated by Mesa.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 8):
SAF is quite capable of handling a wide array of aircraft, certainly including regional jet and (for example) 737/A320

While Santa Fe can land an A320 or 737, it does not have the facilities to handle these passengers.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 8):
If you've ever priced that service, you might know why "they" (meaning, people who actually earn and spend money for travel) are not "satisfied" with the single-source model.

If they can afford air travel then they can most likely afford to go to Albuquerque. It's only an hour away, and offers reasonable connections to much of the United States.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
If Airtran chooses to fly into New Mexico, they indeed could perhaps choose SAF over ABQ for 717 service.

Why? Would AirTran rather fly to an airport that has limited commercial air service infrastructure or an airport that is already well established among commercial carriers?



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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5581 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 10):
While Santa Fe can land an A320 or 737, it does not have the facilities to handle these passengers.

It has runways, ramps, fuel and a terminal with ticket-selling and baggage-handling facilities. What else do they need?

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 10):
If they can afford air travel then they can most likely afford to go to Albuquerque. It's only an hour away, and offers reasonable connections to much of the United States.

Not quite sure what you're saying here; that any city within an hour's drive of an air-carrier-served airport should be forever denied reasonably-priced air travel?

I have visited SAF twice in the past year, and I chose to fly to SAF rather than fly to ABQ and drive, and the reason is simple: I like to fly to the place to which I am going, not to some other place where I can gather up a car and drive to my destination.

Now, in my case, I am fortunate enough to be able to fly myself there (and by the way, SAF is a very good airport from a pilot's perspective); I imagine that, if I had to fly there commercially from Dallas, I'd probably just go to ABQ and drive, since connecting through DEN would cost more time anyway.

But it would be nice to have a choice in the matter, wouldn't it?



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 11):
I imagine that, if I had to fly there commercially from Dallas, I'd probably just go to ABQ and drive, since connecting through DEN would cost more time anyway.

Didn't Lone Star try that route in the mid-90's? I will try and locate my OAG from that era.

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 10):
If they can afford air travel then they can most likely afford to go to Albuquerque. It's only an hour away, and offers reasonable connections to much of the United States.

With that philosophy, a goodd 75% of the nation's airports could be taken off line, and make the airline travel experience so much better!

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
From a previous thread, a user said that SAF used to get DC-9 service

I Believe that was TTA (Trans-Texas Airlines, or Tree-Top Airlines), the predecessor of TI/Texas International....can't imagine who else it could have been.



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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5581 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):

I Believe that was TTA (Trans-Texas Airlines, or Tree-Top Airlines), the predecessor of TI/Texas International....can't imagine who else it could have been.

My grandma used to fly to SAF on TTa / TI, but I recall her boarding Convair twins. But I wouldn't doubt that TTa brough "PamperJets" there- they brought them to a lot of stations which did not routinely expect jet service.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2480 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
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From my TTA 7/1/70 timetable:
Flt 973 (DC9) lv SAF 8:33am to MAF-DFW Ex Su
Flt 625 (CVR) lv SAF 11:03am to ABQ Daily
Flt 666 (CVR) lv SAF 2:25pm to CVS-LBB-Big Spring-BWD-DFW Ex Sa
Flt 901 (DC9) lv SAF 7:25pm to ABQ Ex Sa

Also, Mesa/Air Midwest will have 3x week FMN-CNY-SLC flights to intertwine their new services to SLC-CNY and SLC-VEL, as well as SLC-CDC-LAS-HII-PHX.



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

I thought (hope) that Mesa was going to start ABQ-Alamogordo within the next 2 or 3 months.

User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Ya know, despite still being number 2, FMN has lost TONS of service in the last decade. I work for Mesa there in the early nineties. At one point we had:

Mesa Airlines (EM2s and BE1s):
ABQ (13X daily)
GJT (2X daily)
DRO (1X daily)
TEX (1X daily)

America West Express (EM2s and BE1s):
PHX (5X daily)
LAS (5X weekly)

United Express (EM2s, DH8s, and BE1s):
DEN (8X daily)

Additionally, there was Continental Express service to DEN on ATRs, but was pulled with the DEN hub. Later American Eagle came in with SF3s and AT7s to LAS/LAX/AMA/DFW. It was a busy little airport (not like the 80s when there were 737s, CV580s, and BAe146s, but fun nonetheless).

At one point, there were nearly 40 daily commercial departures. These days there's about 10 flights total, and there all BE1s, yet DRO right up the road, gets more and more service. Oh well....

- Travis (F/A for AirTran in ATL now).


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