Airways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14456 times:
Agree about the Stage II comment - lack of Stage III hushkits make this a difficult deal to sell. Plus, there are such small numbers of 1-11s flying now that maintenance going forward is going to get harder (and more expensive). Add to this the fuel that the old Spey engines like to drink and, as much as I hate to say it, these birds won't be flying for long. Shame. But, hard economic fact.
Thecheese From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14423 times:
To prove that I'm not a total troll, I will follow up my previous comment by saying:
It's a shame that these planes have come down to selling on eBay. Such circumstances indicate that they found no buyers on the used/classic bizjet market.
Also, it seems to me that anyone looking to buy a pair of planes at that price isn't going to bother with 40 year old aluminum that's going to be a maintenance headache from the get-go, unless they are willing to strip them to the stringers and rebuild them, which will put them in the price ranges for planes with a lot fewer years under their wings.
Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3316 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14402 times:
There have been other aicraft selling on ebay. An Avro Vulcan was sold, although it was in a complete state and the buyer had to remove it from its resting place (I forget where, although it was some airport in the UK).
Also I have seen a yellow Mig 29 on sale for roughly one million dollars.
Nice way to pick up a cheap plane.
Out of interest...what is the address of the military version of ebay where you can pick up second hand military equipment such as old aircraft etc etc?
Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14290 times:
Stage II - Actually not as big a problem as you may think. That is the reason for the 75K maximum gross weight. Aircraft under this weight do NOT have to comply to Stage III. The only restriction you would face is there are a handfull of airports that have been able to ban Stage II a/c (i.e. some Californis airports), through expensive court action. While you would not be able to operate into every airport at any time, you could probably do so 95% of the time. Even at a Million Bucks per a/c, they are quite a bargain. Check out the price of a comparable corporate jet these days!
Vivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14242 times:
Would be a shame to see them go, they are a regular ramp fixture @ UES. Oddly they are stored outside the majority of the time, they are quite ramp queens as I rarely see them out. They were used heavily during the 2004 Presidental Campaign.
The are indeed owned by the Safro group, with the primary business concern being Automotive Sales.
ClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14110 times:
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 11):
Not to mention you get a LLC that holds a clean part 125 certificate as part of the deal as an added bonus.
Only a 135 certificate can generate enough revenue to finance such an aircraft imo.
Serious bidders should consider that both planes are not RVSM equipped. At least another half-a-mil per plane for that...unless you want to burn fuel stuck at FL280. Best place for these planes would be Africa.
"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."Ã¯Â¿Â½ Alfred Kahn, 1977
Viscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13710 times:
One of them was actually Braniffs FIRST One-Eleven, which SHOULD make it a candidate for some sort of preservation at least. The other has ALWAYS been an exec'/private transport, having originally been delivered to Tenneco.
Nice old birds - I hope, (though I doubt), that they manage to find a good new, caring home!
Atomother From United States of America, joined May 1999, 440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12302 times:
Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 14): Right now N200EE is sitting at BJC (Jefferson County) here in Colorado. Just yesterday I took my first flight in a G-1000 equipped C-172S, and there sitting on the ramp was this BAC 1-11!!
I saw that too yesterday... How was your flight? You know that G1000 has more goodies up front than both of those other planes combined.
: I was thinking this as well! Anybody want to start an airline??? Chris
: Arent you the guy who reported the safety card collectors as well? Furthermore, aircraft are sold everyday on ebay, what makes these any different? I
: I think it was the Blackpool beach fun fair, if I'm not mistaken. Plane was initially listed (again, if memory serves) for GBP6000 with transport cos
: uh huh... so every car bought from his dealerships goes to fund those bad boys. Actually his main business is reality and the auto dealerships are pa
: Next time I'm walking the lot looking at cars, I'll ask for a free ride!
: I think you and JulianUK need to hook up... Talk about paranoia. It's sad that these aircraft are onto EBAY for their sellign place. I'm sure many cl
: Pardon my ignorance, but what is RVSM? Charles, SJ
: Holy crap that thing is nice!!! It could make some REAL bad habits though!! We were going to enter on a right base for 29R, and tower told us #2 clea
: No Problem: http://www.faa.gov/ATS/ato/rvsm1.htm Requires extra equipment such as TCAS etc.
: It was actually Blackpool Airport itself (BLK). In the end, the pub couldn't find the funds to move the aircraft and so it was recently sold for scra
: "Both aircraft are available for private viewing and/or demo flights. We can also arrange to pick you up in our Learjet and fly you to the aircraft! "
: These are the surviving BAC111-200. What is current availability of parts/MX/Personnel. 008 XX105 ST 2003-2005 Museum 2005- 011 9XR-RA ST 1989-1990 19