Thecheese From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10552 times:
Oh, man! Now I wish I hadn't bought all that bubble gum yesterday.
SkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10534 times:
Those are the Saffro Group's main birds, I wonder what will replace them. They're based out of UES by the big hanger just off 10/28 on the west side of the airport. But beware these are Mx hogs.
Warreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10504 times:
The listing says these are Stage II noise compliant. Does that mean that they can't fly into most airports, since most require Stage III?
Tu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 667 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10342 times:
Notice the auction says NO RESERVE...........snipe in at the end and get it all for a buck or two!!!!!!
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10300 times:
Quoting Tu154m (Reply 4): Notice the auction says NO RESERVE...........snipe in at the end and get it all for a buck or two!!!!!!
Min bid is $2,250,000.00 though.
Odd thing is that the only other auctions this guy has going are for concert tickets. WTF? I'm guessing it's legit though as he's got good feedback and isn't a noob.
Airways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 299 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10238 times:
Agree about the Stage II comment - lack of Stage III hushkits make this a difficult deal to sell. Plus, there are such small numbers of 1-11s flying now that maintenance going forward is going to get harder (and more expensive). Add to this the fuel that the old Spey engines like to drink and, as much as I hate to say it, these birds won't be flying for long. Shame. But, hard economic fact.
Thecheese From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10205 times:
To prove that I'm not a total troll, I will follow up my previous comment by saying:
It's a shame that these planes have come down to selling on eBay. Such circumstances indicate that they found no buyers on the used/classic bizjet market.
Also, it seems to me that anyone looking to buy a pair of planes at that price isn't going to bother with 40 year old aluminum that's going to be a maintenance headache from the get-go, unless they are willing to strip them to the stringers and rebuild them, which will put them in the price ranges for planes with a lot fewer years under their wings.
Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3301 posts, RR: 43 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10184 times:
There have been other aicraft selling on ebay. An Avro Vulcan was sold, although it was in a complete state and the buyer had to remove it from its resting place (I forget where, although it was some airport in the UK).
Also I have seen a yellow Mig 29 on sale for roughly one million dollars.
Nice way to pick up a cheap plane.
Out of interest...what is the address of the military version of ebay where you can pick up second hand military equipment such as old aircraft etc etc?
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Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1616 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10072 times:
Stage II - Actually not as big a problem as you may think. That is the reason for the 75K maximum gross weight. Aircraft under this weight do NOT have to comply to Stage III. The only restriction you would face is there are a handfull of airports that have been able to ban Stage II a/c (i.e. some Californis airports), through expensive court action. While you would not be able to operate into every airport at any time, you could probably do so 95% of the time. Even at a Million Bucks per a/c, they are quite a bargain. Check out the price of a comparable corporate jet these days!
Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10067 times:
Quoting Crownvic (Reply 10): Check out the price of a comparable corporate jet these days!
Not to mention you get a LLC that holds a clean part 125 certificate as part of the deal as an added bonus.
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Vivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10024 times:
Would be a shame to see them go, they are a regular ramp fixture @ UES. Oddly they are stored outside the majority of the time, they are quite ramp queens as I rarely see them out. They were used heavily during the 2004 Presidental Campaign.
The are indeed owned by the Safro group, with the primary business concern being Automotive Sales.
ClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 671 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9892 times:
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 11):
Not to mention you get a LLC that holds a clean part 125 certificate as part of the deal as an added bonus.
Only a 135 certificate can generate enough revenue to finance such an aircraft imo.
Serious bidders should consider that both planes are not RVSM equipped. At least another half-a-mil per plane for that...unless you want to burn fuel stuck at FL280. Best place for these planes would be Africa.
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MaxQ2351 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9519 times:
Right now N200EE is sitting at BJC (Jefferson County) here in Colorado. Just yesterday I took my first flight in a G-1000 equipped C-172S, and there sitting on the ramp was this BAC 1-11!!
I only remember the N-number because of how hard that would be to say on the radio!! "Two zero zero echo echo".....would get old after some time!!
So, funny thing this thread got posted.....I had no idea it was for sale!!
Viscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 223 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9492 times:
One of them was actually Braniffs FIRST One-Eleven, which SHOULD make it a candidate for some sort of preservation at least. The other has ALWAYS been an exec'/private transport, having originally been delivered to Tenneco.
Nice old birds - I hope, (though I doubt), that they manage to find a good new, caring home!
TWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8427 times:
Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 5): Odd thing is that the only other auctions this guy has going are for concert tickets. WTF? I'm guessing it's legit though as he's got good feedback and isn't a noob.
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2207 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8147 times:
Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 12): The are indeed owned by the Safro group, with the primary business concern being Automotive Sales.
Atomother From United States of America, joined May 1999, 439 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8084 times:
Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 14): Right now N200EE is sitting at BJC (Jefferson County) here in Colorado. Just yesterday I took my first flight in a G-1000 equipped C-172S, and there sitting on the ramp was this BAC 1-11!!
I saw that too yesterday... How was your flight? You know that G1000 has more goodies up front than both of those other planes combined.
25 N8076U: I was thinking this as well! Anybody want to start an airline??? Chris
26 Cadet57: Arent you the guy who reported the safety card collectors as well? Furthermore, aircraft are sold everyday on ebay, what makes these any different? I
27 BuyantUkhaa: I think it was the Blackpool beach fun fair, if I'm not mistaken. Plane was initially listed (again, if memory serves) for GBP6000 with transport cos
28 SkyexRamper: uh huh... so every car bought from his dealerships goes to fund those bad boys. Actually his main business is reality and the auto dealerships are pa
29 TVNWZ: Next time I'm walking the lot looking at cars, I'll ask for a free ride!
30 Airlinelover: I think you and JulianUK need to hook up... Talk about paranoia. It's sad that these aircraft are onto EBAY for their sellign place. I'm sure many cl
31 Ctbarnes: Pardon my ignorance, but what is RVSM? Charles, SJ
32 MaxQ2351: Holy crap that thing is nice!!! It could make some REAL bad habits though!! We were going to enter on a right base for 29R, and tower told us #2 clea
33 ClipperNo1: No Problem: http://www.faa.gov/ATS/ato/rvsm1.htm Requires extra equipment such as TCAS etc.
34 Mhodgson: It was actually Blackpool Airport itself (BLK). In the end, the pub couldn't find the funds to move the aircraft and so it was recently sold for scra
35 Noelg: "Both aircraft are available for private viewing and/or demo flights. We can also arrange to pick you up in our Learjet and fly you to the aircraft! "
36 Bennett123: These are the surviving BAC111-200. What is current availability of parts/MX/Personnel. 008 XX105 ST 2003-2005 Museum 2005- 011 9XR-RA ST 1989-1990 19
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